OK - Terence Crutcher, 40, fatally shot by Tulsa PD officer, 16 Sept 2016

[Tawny]

I'd rather people not be dead because of addiction, all things considered

 

[Trident]

I'm not sure. Sometimes addiction is a living death and often it takes others with them.

 

[human]

And drugs don't? The youngster my daughter went to the senior prom with is locked up in an asylum - LSD. A relative of mine lost EVERYTHING because of crack. Another one is in the process of losing EVERYTHING, even the kids. An acquaintance lost his son, high on crack, who wouldn't drop the stolen TV. Bang, deader than a door nail. One less druggie. Sorry, but I've been robbed, and seen the dark side. My sympathy quotient has run dry.

My sympathy re alcohol has been over for decades.But it is so chi chi to go on wine tours, buy expensive bottles of single malt scotch, have martini bars, craft breweries, People get drunk at the country club or the exclusive restaurant. That is socially acceptable, Funny how that all works

 

[human]

I'm not sure. Sometimes addiction is a living death and often it takes others with them.

Alcoholism affects every member of a family .

 

[ZooSleuth]

I feel better that a drug user is off the street. Sorry.

Had the situation been handled better by Betty Shelby he would be off the street AND still living.

 

[Trident]

When I read these boards I want to cry - probably more for us than the dead. Gonna take a time out of threads like this for a short while. I'm always trying to understand why I feel the way I do, then along comes a comment that makes me wonder how serious anyone is about "relations" between people. 'Course that's just my opinion.

 

[human]

And drugs don't? The youngster my daughter went to the senior prom with is locked up in an asylum - LSD. A relative of mine lost EVERYTHING because of crack. Another one is in the process of losing EVERYTHING, even the kids. An acquaintance lost his son, high on crack, who wouldn't drop the stolen TV. Bang, deader than a door nail. One less druggie. Sorry, but I've been robbed, and seen the dark side. My sympathy quotient has run dry.

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/140.html

 

[Tawny]

Well, everyone has their own opinions. Sometimes when I read the boards about these cases I wonder if this is a microcosm of the macrocosm. If it is, I see no hope.

I don't follow. What do you mean?

 

[human]

Well, everyone has their own opinions. Sometimes when I read the boards about these cases I wonder if this is a microcosm of the macrocosm. If it is, I see no hope.

Science is not an opinion re drugs vs alcohol

 

[bluesneakers]

I feel better that a drug user is off the street. Sorry.

I feel better when bad cops are off the street.

 

[DatelineFan]

No, it was sarcasm.

I realized that as I caught up! Thanks for clarifying, because you never know

 

[DatelineFan]

Too bad he had PCP in his car. He should have had something like Dom Perignon or Cristal champagne. What was it that Rush Limbaugh had? Oxycontin? These black need to be using the socially acceptable drugs. Duh!!!

Don't forget cocaine! But only rich white people get away with that.

 

[DatelineFan]

No, talking about it is natural IMO and may show why she was scared. She was trained to recognize when someone was high. She recognized it.

She has been charged. But she is innocent until proven guilty. And as far as I know, we can discuss the case.

IMO the PCP had a bearing on what happened.

JMO

No. She was clearly not trained well. You are not in danger when someone is slowly walking away! He had just been TASED, too (unnecessary, IMO). She didn't even wait a second to let it work. That's probably why his arm moved. He'd been shocked.

 

[DatelineFan]

IMO it will be a huge part of the case. It may be found to be irrelevant. It may not.

But the fact of the matter is, she observed him acting in a manner that told her (because she's trained to detect it) that he was on PCP. She was correct in her observation it seems.
So, that may or may not be relevant to her defense.
We will have to wait and see.

IF he was on pcp, he obviously wasn't behaving erratically, or in a threatening manner.
I don't care if a 911 caller thought he was suspicious. A lot of people find brown skin to be "suspicious". Trayvon Martin, anyone?

 

[DatelineFan]

I feel better that a drug user is off the street. Sorry.

Should we line up every drug user and shoot them to death?

 

[DatelineFan]

Alcohol is extremely dangerous. So are most drugs. Many LEGAL drugs are dangerous. But we don't kill people for possession or possible influence in this country.

 

[bluesneakers]

Don't forget cocaine! But only rich white people get away with that.

Which is why we have to have two different names for it.

 

[DatelineFan]

Which is why we have to have two different names for it.

Exactly. A whole other can of worms.

OT-BTW, I responded to your msg on Tapatalk.

 

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Terence Crutcher’s parents, widow fight over estate of unarmed man killed by Oklahoma police officer

Joey and Leanna Crutcher, the parents of the unarmed black man killed by a white Tulsa, Okla., police officer, alleged in a court filings Monday that Frenchel Renae Johnson-Crutcher is unqualified to serve as special administrator of Crutcher’s estate.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/terence-crutcher-parents-widow-fight-estate-article-1.2807189

 

[human]

Terence Crutcher’s parents, widow fight over estate of unarmed man killed by Oklahoma police officer




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/terence-crutcher-parents-widow-fight-estate-article-1.2807189

This is probably the most common thing. Fighting over an estate. $$$$$$$$$$$$

Here is a list of some famous ones that have gone on for years.

http://www.aol.com/article/2011/06/06/the-10-most-infamous-family-inheritance-feuds/19952346/?gen=1