OK - Terence Crutcher, 40, fatally shot by Tulsa PD officer, 16 Sept 2016

[JeannaT]

Terence Crutcher’s parents, widow fight over estate of unarmed man killed by Oklahoma police officer




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/terence-crutcher-parents-widow-fight-estate-article-1.2807189

Well THAT didn't take long.

 

[JeannaT]

This is probably the most common thing. Fighting over an estate. $$$$$$$$$$$$

Here is a list of some famous ones that have gone on for years.

http://www.aol.com/article/2011/06/06/the-10-most-infamous-family-inheritance-feuds/19952346/?gen=1

The difference here is that there was something IN the estate prior to the death of the individual. It seems unlikely Crutcher had a will - or appeared to need one - prior to his death.

 

[ZooSleuth]

The difference here is that there was something IN the estate prior to the death of the individual. It seems unlikely Crutcher had a will - or appeared to need one - prior to his death.

Ya there's a difference but it's not clear to me how that is relevant?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ya there's a difference but it's not clear to me how that is relevant?

It's more relevant than posts about rich white people using cocaine. JMO

 

[HoneyWest]

The difference here is that there was something IN the estate prior to the death of the individual. It seems unlikely Crutcher had a will - or appeared to need one - prior to his death.

No. His parents are planning to file a civil suit against the city, but his common-law wife was appointed special administrator of his estate. Now SHE wants to file the civil suit against the city on behalf of herself and three of hers and Terence's children. His parents allege she is unqualified to be administrator and they are the guardians of the children anyway. More details in the articles if you all would read them.

 

[human]

It's more relevant than posts about rich white people using cocaine. JMO

It seems that poor people get dissed cuz of drugs. But rich people using drugs is no big deal. Just pointing out the obvious bias in case someone missed it.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No. His parents are planning to file a civil suit against the city, but his common-law wife was appointed special administrator of his estate. Now SHE wants to file the civil suit against the city on behalf of herself and three of hers and Terence's children. His parents allege she is unqualified to be administrator and they are the guardians of the children anyway. More details in the articles if you all would read them.

Dang. Wasn't his funeral just 2 days ago?
And they are already concerned with a settlement of a civil suit. Has the suit even been filed yet?

I'm sorry. That just seems crazy to me.

JMO

ETA: never mind. I see no suit has been filed yet.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Dang. Wasn't his funeral just 2 days ago?
And they are already concerned with a settlement of a civil suit. Has the suit even been filed yet?

I'm sorry. That just seems crazy to me.

JMO

His "wife" was named special administrator of his estate one week after his death. I'm guessing his parents have no choice but to take quick legal action in order to contest that. I put "wife" in quotes because the parents claim they were never legally married.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Dang. Wasn't his funeral just 2 days ago?
And they are already concerned with a settlement of a civil suit. Has the suit even been filed yet?

I'm sorry. That just seems crazy to me.

JMO

ETA: never mind. I see no suit has been filed yet.

Apparently family are fighting over the right to file a civil lawsuit. I think that Mr Crutcher's children should come first in any money payoff. JMO

 

[Safeguard]

Which is why we have to have two different names for it.

Cocain and Crack are not the same. Crack is Crack... everywhere.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Apparently family are fighting over the right to file a civil lawsuit. I think that Mr Crutcher's children should come first in any money payoff. JMO

I agree that the children should come first, but are you aware that his children are not in the custody of their mother and are actually being looked after by Terence's parents? That may be the main reason the parents want the right to file the lawsuit.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I agree that the children should come first, but are you aware that his children are not in the custody of their mother and are actually being looked after by Terence's parents? That may be the main reason the parents want the right to file the lawsuit.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I did read the article before I posted the link above.

 

[tangelo]

Had the situation been handled better by Betty Shelby he would be off the street AND still living.

as would his pcp dealer

 

[DatelineFan]

Cocain and Crack are not the same. Crack is Crack... everywhere.

They are two different chemical forms of cocaine. And it's simply a fact that there are significantly higher legal consequences for crack.

 

[bluesneakers]

Tulsa police officer pleads not guilty in shooting death

Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby, charged with felony manslaughter in the shooting death of an unarmed man earlier this month, appeared in court Friday and pleaded not guilty through an attorney.

The criminal complaint against Shelby said her "fear resulted in her unreasonable actions which led her to shooting" Crutcher, 40. She is accused of "unlawfully and unnecessarily" shooting him after he did not comply with her "lawful orders."

The possible penalty for conviction on first-degree manslaughter in Oklahoma is four years to life, according to Susan Witt, the spokeswoman for the district attorney's office.

 

[cuffem]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/autopsy-tulsa-police-victim-had-193855629.html
Autopsy-PCP in system.

 

[Tawny]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/autopsy-tulsa-police-victim-had-193855629.html
Autopsy-PCP in system.

100% irrelevant. Character assassination of a victim.

 

[bluesneakers]

100% irrelevant. Character assassination of a victim.

Yeah. Cause of death was not PCP.

 

[K_Z]

A PCP level of 96 ng/ml is very high. That is a very acute level of intoxication, EVEN for a chronic user, because PCP sequesters in lipids (fatty tissue).

Added to that, TCP (tenocyclidine) was ALSO found on autopsy toxicology. It's even more potent than PCP. I haven't found an article that lists what the blood level was for the TCP, but 2 potent hallucinogenic substances are definitely synergistic (they potentiate each other).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenocyclidine

And PCP was found in the car.

I think this evidence is going to be very helpful to support Officer Betty Shelby's defense I don't see how she can be *criminally* convicted with these tox results, and the evidence, though she will certainly face internal investigation and discipline. I think she will not be convicted.

Truth is not "smearing" the victim. He was high as a kite on 2 very potent hallucinogens, both of which are well known to produce violent and aggressive behavior. Lab results are objective evidence. The prosecution now has to "prove" that the acute intoxication of the suspect on TWO potent hallucinogens was "irrelevant" to Officer Shelby's actions and fears. And they won't be able to do that, IMO. There is simply overwhelming evidence of the effects of these 2 hallucinogens. The defense won't have to look hard to find expert witnesses to testify to the effects of these drugs at these blood levels.

This evidence is simply devastating to the prosecutor's case, IMO.This is not irrelevant in the slightest. No other way to interpret that, IMO.

http://www.fox23.com/news/toxicolog...-had-pcp-in-system-at-time-of-death/456111947

 

[HoneyWest]

No matter how high he was or wasn't, it was not Betty Shelby's job to execute Terence Crutcher. It is no surprise to me that PCP was found in his system, since it was found in his car. And no, it's not smearing the victim, he was high on PCP. What he was not doing was anything that warranted being killed, especially since he responded to be tased (tazed?).

I'm not so sure this evidence is going to be so "devastating" to the prosecution's case. Betty Shelby's attorney's position seems to imply that if cops think they're interacting with someone on PCP, they should kill them before they get violent. Whut? And Betty claiming to have "auditory exclusion syndrome" and being completely unaware of the other officers surrounding her, covering her, doesn't do much for her case as being a competent, well-trained officer.

Oklahoma juries aren't shy about putting bad cops away. Elderly Tulsa reserve deputy Robert Bates is sitting in prison right now for 4 years for accidentally shooting a man insteading of tasing him (oops!) and then there's OKC cop Daniel Holtzclaw put away for life for raping black woman while on the job.