Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

[Sincerely]

In a link above, it was reported that the planning started February 13. What happened that day to set this all in motion? Do we have access to court records yet that may give some insight?

‘How can you hate somebody so much’: 4 suspects linked to Kansas women’s murders appear in court

The four suspects charged with the murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley are scheduled to make their first court appearance today.

www.newschannel10.com

ETA the link

 

[concernedmother]

That was a rumour that came from a victim's family, on the day of the arrests.

JMO

Yes . JK mother posted it on FB.

 

[MassGuy]

That was a rumour that came from a victim's family, on the day of the arrests.

JMO

Yeah. That one said that she admitted to killing them. This is a bit different in that it says she admits responsibility for their deaths.

We know she’s responsible, but this doesn’t yet confirm that she physically did it.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Whoa...

From the article:

Newly obtained court documents by KSN reveal that one of the suspects in the case of missing Kansas women, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley, admitted responsibility for their deaths.

In the motions to hold defendants Cole Twombly, Cora Twombly, Tad Cullum and Tifany Adams without bail, it is stated in part that Adams “did provide a recorded statement to law enforcement indicating her responsibility for the death of the deceased.”

What Adams said in the recorded statement was not revealed in the court documents.

Sounds as though Tifany's not planning on going to trial.

 

[concernedmother]

Yeah. That one said that she admitted to killing them. This is a bit different in that it says she admits responsibility for their deaths.

We know she’s responsible, but this doesn’t yet confirm that she physically did it.

True. Wonder what she said the others did?

 

[simlyme]

Whoa...

From the article:

Newly obtained court documents by KSN reveal that one of the suspects in the case of missing Kansas women, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley, admitted responsibility for their deaths.

In the motions to hold defendants Cole Twombly, Cora Twombly, Tad Cullum and Tifany Adams without bail, it is stated in part that Adams “did provide a recorded statement to law enforcement indicating her responsibility for the death of the deceased.”

What Adams said in the recorded statement was not revealed in the court documents.

Do you know if we'll be privy to those documents ?

 

[MassGuy]

Sounds as though Tifany's not planning on going to trial.

Certainly doesn’t. It’s rare that the principal is the first to give it up. It’s usually the other players, although here, pretty much everyone is responsible, and they’re all just as legally responsible.

But this was her baby, and she was the first to roll over.

 

[PommyMommy]

That was a rumour that came from a victim's family, on the day of the arrests.

JMO

Well, I completely missed that. Wish we had access to the motions. MOO

ETA: In the motions to hold defendants ... without bail, it is stated in part that Adams “did provide a recorded statement to law enforcement indicating her responsibility for the death of the deceased.” Court documents reveal suspect admitted responsibility for death of missing Kansas women

 

[Cedars]

Yeah. That one said that she admitted to killing them. This is a bit different in that it says she admits responsibility for their deaths.

We know she’s responsible, but this doesn’t yet confirm that she physically did it.

Yeah, pretty hard to parse out what mattered to a victim's mother, vs how legal docs are written, vs what TA herself was trying to convey. Was she overcome by remorse, or trying to get the other's let off?

JMO

 

[whitelilac]

Sounds as though Tifany's not planning on going to trial.

I don't think she done though, this is not a woman who will give up. Her vicious character tells me she's going to exact revenge, or try to...from prison.
Cora better hope she's not in the same prison.

 

[concernedmother]

Certainly doesn’t. It’s rare that the principal is the first to give it up. It’s usually the other players, although here, pretty much everyone is responsible, and they’re all just as legally responsible.

But this was her baby, and she was the first to roll over.

I think she is proud of what she did. No regrets.

 

[Hestia's Fire]

Yeah, pretty hard to parse out what mattered to a victim's mother, vs how legal docs are written, vs what TA herself was trying to convey. Was she overcome by remorse, or trying to get the other's let off?

JMO

I think she was bragging. I doubt there's an ounce of remorse in her. She was determined to kill that poor woman and she did, and she was proud of herself for doing it.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Certainly doesn’t. It’s rare that the principal is the first to give it up. It’s usually the other players, although here, pretty much everyone is responsible, and they’re all just as legally responsible.

But this was her baby, and she was the first to roll over.

To me she appears to be strutting, don't touch me toward a female deputy, and bragging about her deeds.

This entire operation is just bizarre. I do think if she was planning to confess she should have warned her crew (maybe did, who knows)

 

[MassGuy]

Yeah, pretty hard to parse out what mattered to a victim's mother, vs how legal docs are written, vs what TA herself was trying to convey. Was she overcome by remorse, or trying to get the other's let off?

JMO

Could be the latter, as I don’t think she has a remorseful bone in her body.

 

[Seattle1]

Sounds as though Tifany's not planning on going to trial.

My take on TA from the beginning was that she wants the glory, and her defense is simple: MARTYR.

She's long been painting herself as the protector of the children from alleged SA who was willing to give up her freedom, if necessary. And she determined that March 30 was the "necessary date."

What an evil, coward. JMO

 

[CuriousCricket]

My take on TA from the beginning was that she wants the glory, and her defense is simple: MARTYR.

She's long been painting herself as the protector of the children from alleged SA who was willing to give up her freedom, if necessary. And she determined that March 30 was the "necessary date."

What an evil, coward. JMO

Wonder if this is the reason for Cole Twombley's smirk?

 

[PommyMommy]

Do you know if we'll be privy to those documents ?

I know I've followed other OK cases where we've seen pdf's of the motions posted but they're not doing that in this case. Just the court entries. MOO

CF-2024-00072
ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL - OSCN Case Details

CF-2024-00071
CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details

No. CF-2024-00070
TWOMBLY, COLE EARL - OSCN Case Details

04/17/2024	TEXT	CM: MINUTE/ORDER IA & BRILL HRG. OIDS APPT'D. BAIL IS ORDERED DENIED. ATTY STATUS HRG SET 5/15/2024 AT 9:00 A.M. Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
04/17/2024	TEXT	INITIAL APPEARANCE Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
04/17/2024	TEXT	CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
04/17/2024	TEXT	ORDER APPOINTING ATTORNEY Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

CF-2024-00073
TWOMBLY, CORA GAYLE - OSCN Case Details

04/17/2024	TEXT	CM: MINUTE/ORDER IA & BRILL HRG. OIDS APPT'D AS COUNSEL. BAIL IS ORDERED DENIED. STATUS HRG SET 5/15/2024 AT 9:00 A.M. Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
04/17/2024	TEXT	INITIAL APPEARANCE Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
04/17/2024	TEXT	CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
04/17/2024	TEXT	APPLICATION FOR APPOINTED COUNSEL AND AFFIDAVIT OF Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
		FINANCIAL INABILITY TO EMPLOY COUNSEL (O.I.D.S. ATTY)
		(FEE WAIVED)
04/17/2024	TEXT	ORDER APPOINTING ATTORNEY Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

(I have omitted the indigent defense fund court fees)

 

[Artis]

That was a rumour that came from a victim's family, on the day of the arrests.

JMO

Adams “did provide a recorded statement to law enforcement indicating her responsibility for the death of the deceased.”

 

[Hestia's Fire]

My take on TA from the beginning was that she wants the glory, and her defense is simple: MARTYR.

She's long been painting herself as the protector of the children from alleged SA who was willing to give up her freedom, if necessary. And she determined that March 30 was the "necessary date."

What an evil, coward. JMO

And now the children are most likely going to stay permanently with Veronica's family, the family that includes the alleged abuser, and TA won't be there to protect them from anyone because she'll never take a breath of free air again.

But somehow that made sense to her, and at least three other people.

 

[MassGuy]

And now the children are most likely going to stay permanently with Veronica's family, the family that includes the alleged abuser, and TA won't be there to protect them from anyone because she'll never take a breath of free air again.

But somehow that made sense to her, and at least three other people.

It's remarkable how she was able to justify Jillian's death to everyone else: They then "asked about Kelley and why she had to die and was told by Cora that she wasn't innocent either, as she had supported Butler."