OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #7 *Arrests*

  • #201
With this case - and I'm pretty sure not a day has gone by that I haven't thought of Veronica and Jilian since they were slaughtered by these miscreants - I recall that old saying about how the wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind thoroughly, and I find myself wishing justice could be meted out just as quickly as the murders were. I hate that they get the reprieve of waiting, when their victims didn't. JMO.
Yes and that evil mastermind is gonna take a plea deal although I don’t think she should even be offered one. One of the guys said he didn’t even know what he was killing the women for and the clumsy, painful, terrorizing way they did it was horrific Brian Entin has a report.
 
  • #202
Yes, who ended up with custody of the poor children who were at the heart of all this, no fault of their own? Ms Grandmother was so intent on keeping the kids all to herself and under no circumstances, did she want the kids' own mother or her family to have custody. Probably didn't even want them to ever be able to see the kids, much less have custody. She wanted to keep these kids away from their own mother so bad that she decided to remove their mother from this earth entirely.

And this should have been just a sick fantasy in her demented, sinister mind, something that never had a chance in hell of actually happening... except that she somehow just so happened to have available within arm's length of her, a trio of "friends" who were equally as sinister and ruthless as she was. And who for some god-only-knows-why reason wanted to PLEASE her. Who wanted to do her bidding. Why?? Why did this woman matter? Why didn't one or all of them just tell her she's talking crazy talk and shut her up?

But instead, they actually let her talk about it, and then came up with a plan, such as it was, and most inexplicable of all, got up that day and set it in motion. And carried through with it, even as it went awry, even as there was more blood than they'd expected, even as the victims fought for their lives harder than they were prepared for... until Grandmother's self-proclaimed nemesis was dead, along with the lady who was just there to help and who no one had a thing against, not even those who took her life from her.

I'll never understand it. And then to just be arrested for it all in short order and be facing the rest of their lives locked up. They had to have known this would happen! Maybe not. Maybe they were so used to getting away with things in their little world, thought they were above suspicion, or at least prosecution. Thought they had the authorities in their pocket or wrapped around Grandmother's little finger.

And all because she wanted to raise these children and not have to share them with their OWN MOTHER. But after all that, who has them now? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the very people Ms Grandmother conspired to keep them away from, Veronica's family. The one thing she did not want to happen, but in the end, she made it happen. What a stupid woman.

I wonder how like her is her son Wrangler, the children's father. It's possible he didn't inherit her evil DNA, but I'm not sure he should be allowed to raise those kids either, just in case. Anyone that woman raised must be damaged, imo. I hope those kids got away from her before they were too damaged to recover from it. It'll be hard enough on them growing up without their mother and especially when they find out all the details of why they don't have her, which I'm sure they will find out. Just such an all-around awful case.
She’s as bad and manipulative as Charles Manson. Sounds like she’s going for a plea deal but I see no reason for it. She needs to be off the planet. My opinion—along with countless others.
 
  • #203
She’s as bad and manipulative as Charles Manson. Sounds like she’s going for a plea deal but I see no reason for it. She needs to be off the planet. My opinion—along with countless others.
Her son was in rehab at the time…alledgedly.
 
  • #204
She’s as bad and manipulative as Charles Manson. Sounds like she’s going for a plea deal but I see no reason for it. She needs to be off the planet. My opinion—along with countless others.
They should put her under the prison.
 
  • #205

10/24/25

Texas County, Oklahoma court records show that George H. Leach III will seek the death penalty for Cole Twombly and Tad Cullum. Their arraignments are scheduled for November 5.

The documents state that Twomby and Cullum knowingly created great risk of death to more than one person, the murders of Bulter and Kelly were especially heinous, atrocious or cruel, and that the two could be a continued threat to society.
 
  • #206
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  • #207
Her son was in rehab at the time…alledgedly.
I have long thought that he may have known what was going to happen, or at least maybe 'mommy' told him the problem would be over soon ?
Idk, just thinking out loud.
So many people in on this and no one thought to do the right thing and warn Veronica and Jill.
Ugh.
Imo.
 
  • #208
They should put her under the prison.
Agreed.
If anyone deserved the ultimate punishment......
The mastermind behind this evil plot.
This crime may have not happened without T.A.'s planning.
Omo.
 
  • #209
dbm
 
  • #210
If the appeals court doesn’t remove Parsley, I’m going to wonder about the validity of the judiciary system in OK.
My bet is that he is going to get removed given that its a death penalty case and.... the death penalty is not merely symbolic in Oklahoma.

Given the working death penalty I would hope that a defendant would get the benefit of the doubt regarding close administrative judgement calls. Or...."Ties go to the runner" (defendant).
 
  • #211
I cant believe you have not already been questioning the validity of them.
They can be removed from their robes for misconduct .
What misconduct has there been?
 
  • #212
Yes and that evil mastermind is gonna take a plea deal although I don’t think she should even be offered one. One of the guys said he didn’t even know what he was killing the women for and the clumsy, painful, terrorizing way they did it was horrific Brian Entin has a report.
Absolutely horrific so wrong to let her plea
 
  • #213
She shouldn't be allowed to have any visitation with the grandchildren. Any money she makes from interviews, painting, soothsaying," preaching", writing.......whatever she decides to do, should go to Jilian & Veronica's families. I am furious that she had the opportunity to CHOOSE what she wanted to do. Jilian and Veronica weren't given that option. :mad:
 
  • #214
What type of plea deal did Granny get?
 
  • #215
Tomorrow, Nov 5th REMINDER From Seattle's Post 205 above -

"Texas County, Oklahoma court records show that George H. Leach III will seek the death penalty for Cole Twombly and Tad Cullum. Their arraignments are scheduled for November 5.

The documents state that Twomby and Cullum knowingly created great risk of death to more than one person, the murders of Bulter and Kelly were especially heinous, atrocious or cruel, and that the two could be a continued threat to society."
Thank you Seattle
 
  • #216
KSN/News3 reported that Twombly and Cullum, along with the two remaining defendants, are scheduled for arraignment on Nov. 5.

IMO, it doesn't follow that Paul Grice and Cora Twombly would still need to be arraigned since they both entered plea agreements, and testified last December, and also during Cullum's preliminary hearing (Twombly waived his).

Cora Twombly has a plea deal, which includes her testifying in the trial and serving 30 years in prison before she is eligible for parole. Grice said he doesn't know his sentence but that he would not receive the death penalty in exchange for his testimony.

Also, unrelated to the arraignment on 11/5, I think I figured out TA's strategy (failed) on pleading no-contest to the murders of Veronica and Kelley. I think TA incorrectly believes she'd be able to stay the civil wrongful death suit against her indefinitely. No doubt she has a warped view of the OK and Federal Constitution, and believes she can halt the civil case and deny civil justice, all while as she attempts to work material advantages to her own benefit. Reading the Wrongful death suit was just another reminder of what an evil woman TA is.

 
  • #217
KSN/News3 reported that Twombly and Cullum, along with the two remaining defendants, are scheduled for arraignment on Nov. 5.

IMO, it doesn't follow that Paul Grice and Cora Twombly would still need to be arraigned since they both entered plea agreements, and testified last December, and also during Cullum's preliminary hearing (Twombly waived his).

Cora Twombly has a plea deal, which includes her testifying in the trial and serving 30 years in prison before she is eligible for parole. Grice said he doesn't know his sentence but that he would not receive the death penalty in exchange for his testimony.

Also, unrelated to the arraignment on 11/5, I think I figured out TA's strategy (failed) on pleading no-contest to the murders of Veronica and Kelley. I think TA incorrectly believes she'd be able to stay the civil wrongful death suit against her indefinitely. No doubt she has a warped view of the OK and Federal Constitution, and believes she can halt the civil case and deny civil justice, all while as she attempts to work material advantages to her own benefit. Reading the Wrongful death suit was just another reminder of what an evil woman TA is.


I soooo hope we can watch a civil wrongful death suit!!
 
  • #218

11/5/25

GUYMON, Okla. (KAKE) – Two of the five defendants accused in the murder of two Kansas women last year have pleaded not guilty.

Tad Collum and Cole Twombly appeared in Texas County, Oklahoma, court on Wednesday, where they pleaded not guilty in the murders of 39-year-old Jilian Kelley and 27-year-old Veronica Butler in April of 2024.

Collum entered a not guilty plea and a jury trial has been set for June 1, 2026, at 9 a.m.

Twombly, who also entered a not guilty plea, has been scheduled for jury trial on October 19, 2026, at 9 a.m.
 
  • #219

11/5/25

GUYMON, Okla. (KAKE) – Two of the five defendants accused in the murder of two Kansas women last year have pleaded not guilty.

Tad Collum and Cole Twombly appeared in Texas County, Oklahoma, court on Wednesday, where they pleaded not guilty in the murders of 39-year-old Jilian Kelley and 27-year-old Veronica Butler in April of 2024.

Collum entered a not guilty plea and a jury trial has been set for June 1, 2026, at 9 a.m.

Twombly, who also entered a not guilty plea, has been scheduled for jury trial on October 19, 2026, at 9 a.m.
It would be nice if those trial dates are actually kept but I doubt it.
 
  • #220
They’re facing a Death Sentence correct?
 

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