Oprah

[Isabella]

Thanks for the explanation....So, if you are a McCann supporter you belong here or there?

If your a McCann supporter..then no i guess you are better off here

 

[april4sky]

To be honest..if the worst you can throw at 3a is the Anorak article you have posted 50 times probably..they arent doing so bad....

And no they are correct..they have no access to it as they got banned apparently,,,talk about bitter...

Apparently not Isabella.

From the same article.....

The McCann story can not sustain sites like this and they have to diversify. Recruitment from sites such as ours is one way of doing it.
The Moderators here at Anorak have noted a recent surge of activity as the once-again revamped team at the 3As have become our new friends. Avid letter writers to Anorak and when gently challenged, retreat to vent their spleen within their own site. We had such an incursion yesterday.
We are aware the 3As site has suffered dreadful problems lately and we sympathise but do have our own course to run.

 

[Tonia]

I just heard the news about a new sighting this morning. Im not so sure about it though. I have no problem with true reliable leads.Anything to keep THE FUND going imo.

 

[april4sky]

3A is short for three arguidos as in Kate Gerry and Robert Murats status at the time the site was made. I think its fairly safe to say..that its a site where the vast majority think the McCanns are implicated somehow in what happened.

McCann supporters hate that site..simply cos they fight for what they believe in - justice for Madeleine. There are some people on there who have done some awesome work.

Quote:
From: "Facebook"

The group "the3arguidos - The 48 Questions and More" has been removed because it violated our Terms of Use. Among other things, groups that are hateful, threatening, or obscene are not allowed. We also take down groups that attack an individual or group, or advertise a product or service. Continued misuse of Facebook's features could result in your account being disabled.

If you have any questions or concerns, you can visit our FAQ page at http://www.facebook.com/help.php?topic=wgroups.

The Facebook Team
******
Well done Facebook. :clap:

 

[Jayelles]

Respectfully snipped...
Isabella to be honest, it's the truth regardless of whether or not you find it boring.

And you obviously haven't read the final report because "according to the PJ" abduction is still on the table.

I read elsewhere a post by an MDI (McCann did it) who said he was happy to post on forums, leave comments on newspaper sites, leave leaflets in public places and support online petitions, but he drew a line at anything which involved action "in person". My immediate thought was that the worst bullies are always the biggest cowards.

This morning I discovered that a website has published a list of names, personal information and photos of members of an anti-McCann hatesite and is pledging to continue doing so. I'm not generally in favour of "outing", but when there is such a high level of hate and discussions which involve wishing the McCanns harm and death as well as trying to organise "meets" in Rothley or other places where the McCanns are known to be going, then I think there is an argument for security in being able to put faces to the potential aggressors.

I've quite frankly never seen anything like it. I would guess it is unprecedented.

 

[Jayelles]

I just heard the news about a new sighting this morning. Im not so sure about it though. I have no problem with true reliable leads.Anything to keep THE FUND going imo.

How do you reconcile the fact that well-meaning members of the general public occasionally report sightings of a missing child with your suggestion that it's done to keep the Fund going? Are you suggesting that these members of the public are working for the McCanns?

Also, how can a lead be determined to be reliable or unreliable unless it's investigated?

If your child was missing would you want people to report possible sightings or not? And if so, would you want them investigated or not?

How would you feel if people made catty comments about your efforts to find your missing child?

 

[Jayelles]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_vigilantism#Real_Crime_Vigilantes

Some people form themselves into vigilante groups aiming (overtly) to "investigate" high profile cases, but in reality often their (covert) goal is to harass those people associated in some way with the crime, but against whom no successful case has been made in the courts.

 

[Claycat]

Ok as your silence speaks volumes I will accept an apology instead.TIA

Daffodil, in another thread, I made a post. Part of my post read "I have often wondered if the kidnapper posts on here." It was me who was wondering about a kidnapper, not you. This is a good example of how information can get tangled. I'm sorry you were taking the heat for me, although I didn't accuse anyone specifically. I was just wondering.

 

[Salem]

Hey Guys - please see Animal's post from Sept 2007 here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1683009&postcount=1

Name calling is a violation of the TOS, so please edit any necessary posts to fix this problem.

Also, please stop bickering. We have differences of opinion. We need to be respectful of each other. Attack the post, NOT the poster. You can refute statements in a respectful manner. Consider it a challenge to refute a post while maintaining a degree of rapport with the poster. You can do it!!!

Salem

 

[Texana]

I read elsewhere a post by an MDI (McCann did it) who said he was happy to post on forums, leave comments on newspaper sites, leave leaflets in public places and support online petitions, but he drew a line at anything which involved action "in person". My immediate thought was that the worst bullies are always the biggest cowards.

This morning I discovered that a website has published a list of names, personal information and photos of members of an anti-McCann hatesite and is pledging to continue doing so. I'm not generally in favour of "outing", but when there is such a high level of hate and discussions which involve wishing the McCanns harm and death as well as trying to organise "meets" in Rothley or other places where the McCanns are known to be going, then I think there is an argument for security in being able to put faces to the potential aggressors.

I've quite frankly never seen anything like it. I would guess it is unprecedented.[/QUOTE

I certainly hope you are not implying that anyone here deserves to have their private information made public.

I hope as well I misunderstand the implication that not believing the McCanns innocent/abduction is somehow akin to wishing violence on them or being violent. I am certain that is not what you intended to say.

Do you have media links as to the veracity of these "meets?"

 

[Tonia]

How do you reconcile the fact that well-meaning members of the general public occasionally report sightings of a missing child with your suggestion that it's done to keep the Fund going? Are you suggesting that these members of the public are working for the McCanns?

Also, how can a lead be determined to be reliable or unreliable unless it's investigated?

If your child was missing would you want people to report possible sightings or not? And if so, would you want them investigated or not?

How would you feel if people made catty comments about your efforts to find your missing child?

Your a McCann supporter i am not. Difference of opinion,nothing wrong with that. I stated mine,you have stated yours.I didn't post to argue with you or anyone else. I simply stated an opinion just like obviously others have here. This thread is not to question others or to argue about a poor child that is missing. It is to gather facts and discuss not to act like children imo.

 

[daffodil]

I read elsewhere a post by an MDI (McCann did it) who said he was happy to post on forums, leave comments on newspaper sites, leave leaflets in public places and support online petitions, but he drew a line at anything which involved action "in person". My immediate thought was that the worst bullies are always the biggest cowards.

This morning I discovered that a website has published a list of names, personal information and photos of members of an anti-McCann hatesite and is pledging to continue doing so. I'm not generally in favour of "outing", but when there is such a high level of hate and discussions which involve wishing the McCanns harm and death as well as trying to organise "meets" in Rothley or other places where the McCanns are known to be going, then I think there is an argument for security in being able to put faces to the potential aggressors.

I've quite frankly never seen anything like it. I would guess it is unprecedented.[/QUOTE

I certainly hope you are not implying that anyone here deserves to have their private information made public.

I hope as well I misunderstand the implication that not believing the McCanns innocent/abduction is somehow akin to wishing violence on them or being violent. I am certain that is not what you intended to say.

Do you have media links as to the veracity of these "meets?"

3arguidos.net is a good place to start.

 

[Texana]

3arguidos.net is a good place to start.

I meant an actual news media reporting of a mob gathering in Rothley with the intent of harming the McCanns.

If anybody is making public threats against the McCanns then it is a police matter and should be handled as such on an individual basis.

No one here has made any threats against the McCanns so I fail to see the point of bringing that up here.

By bringing it up here, there seems to be an implication that anyone who doesn't believe the McCanns' abduction line is a) advocating violence and b) deserves to have their private information publicized on the web.

 

[PattyCake]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/01/madeleine.mccann.picture/index.html

"Kate McCann said she keeps Madeleine's room ready for her and admitted to visiting it twice daily, "just [to] say hello... just [to] tell her we're still going ... to do everything we can to find her."

So she visits her daughters' room twice a day to tell her that they're doing everything they can to find her. Has anyone ever heard how sorry they are for not doing everything they could to protect her in the first place? Isn't that an important thing to point out? I mean - they could have got a sitter and this would not have happened (assuming this is a stranger abduction).

Why aren't stories like this held up as a perfect example of what 'not to do' in order to prevent abductions. Too many cases where the child was left alone that resulted in a kidnapping / murder. Too many cases where it was completely preventable. I'm all for learning & educating based on past results.

My opinion as always, although I may need body armour protection for this comment.

 

[Isabella]

How do you reconcile the fact that well-meaning members of the general public occasionally report sightings of a missing child with your suggestion that it's done to keep the Fund going? Are you suggesting that these members of the public are working for the McCanns?

Also, how can a lead be determined to be reliable or unreliable unless it's investigated?

If your child was missing would you want people to report possible sightings or not? And if so, would you want them investigated or not?

How would you feel if people made catty comments about your efforts to find your missing child?

The problem with these sightings is that a member of the team that was supposedly looking for Madeleine has confirmed they was paid to make up sightings..so now...who k nows whether any "sightings" are real or not.

 

[Isabella]

Hope you had a nice time.


I would like that apology now if you could.TIA.


It should have ALWAYS been about Madeleine.

Yes i made a mistake. However i dont see the need to keep going on about it especially when i was on holiday even.

Yes it should ALWAYS be about Madeleine..and this thread is about the McCanns appearing on Oprah and yet most of the thread seem to be about attacking people who feel the McCanns are guilty - whether it be on this site or others and coming out with posts like Anti McCann parents supporters are going to go to Rothley and lynch the parents Do you have a link to that by the way?

I came on here today because stupidly...i thought with this thread being called Oprah people may know what had been said on the show - and instead its just the old rehash of trying to deflect deflect deflect..

 

[Isabella]

I'm sure you dont .Not big enough eh? No worries.

Try reading 3as

LOL whatever

Allegations were made that people who believe McCanns are guity are going to Rothley and do a lynch mob...when asked where it says this we are told to go to another site. I have looked at 3 a many times..though not as much as some of you mccann supporters obviously..which begs the question if you cant stand the site why even go there? But regardless i have never seen ANYTHING like that. The fact is...McCann supporters have fan sites so why shouldnt there be sites for people who believe them to be guilty? Everyone is entitled to an opinion after all and my honest opinion is a lot of stuff has been well researched on there...which shows the McCanns and there friends to be liars which i guess is where the problem is. At the end of the day..supposedly..we all want justice..wherever it leads right? And that means ALL avenues have to be explored.

Oh and its nothing about being big enough...its more about trying to cause confrontation when someones not even been on a board for a week. I did in fact admit i was wrong.

So back to Madeleiene eh?

 

[Isabella]

As I said isabella....whatever.I have zero interest in confrontation and I have zero interest in finding the posts on 3as for you as doubtless you would find excuses for them anyway.BTW I am not a McCann supporter per se rather that I am not as convinced by the "evidence" or as hero worhipful of Amaral as some.

FWIW I read many McCann sites and they all have good and bad about them.

Whatever i might think of the McCanns..no i wouldnt make excuses for people IF it was true that people were threatening to go to Rothley and harm the McCanns. Being a vigilante isnt the answer to anything...hopefully one day the truth will come out - whatever it may be. But like i said ive never seen claims like that there and to me it just seems like an unstantiated attack on that site to demean people that believe the McCanns are guilty.

For the record i dont worship Amaral..i just belive him a sight more than i do the parents or the friends...and...although some may not approve of the way hes doing it..he IS keeping the case in the news and possibly it could end up being opened again..which has to be good for Madeleiene By the way dont understand the hero worship some have for Tanner and her changing stories.

 

[PattyCake]

You'd think some of these posters are being paid by the McCanns--I have NEVER seen so much hostility toward people who don't want to kiss the fannies of that pair.

Don you think the millions that was donated to find this child - someone somewhere in the McCann clan has missued the funds if they are almost out of money after 2 years? It's just awful.

And to note with respect to other posters here: The fact that it is possible for them to have harmed their child - leaves them open to being suspects.

The McCanns were horribly irresponsible by leaving those little babes alone in the first place. Losing their daughter WAS THEIR FAULT no matter what happened. Abductor or not, THEY were responsible for the safety & well being of their children and did not do that.

That they are 'happy' now in their life shows me they've resolved issues of whatever guilt they have. I'm not sure how I could get over the guilt. But no matter how you look at it - their actions and decisions caused Maddie to go missing / die.

 

[Isabella]

Don you think the millions that was donated to find this child - someone somewhere in the McCann clan has missued the funds if they are almost out of money after 2 years? It's just awful.

And to note with respect to other posters here: The fact that it is possible for them to have harmed their child - leaves them open to being suspects.

The McCanns were horribly irresponsible by leaving those little babes alone in the first place. Losing their daughter WAS THEIR FAULT no matter what happened. Abductor or not, THEY were responsible for the safety & well being of their children and did not do that.

That they are 'happy' now in their life shows me they've resolved issues of whatever guilt they have. I'm not sure how I could get over the guilt. But no matter how you look at it - their actions and decisions caused Maddie to go missing / die.

Out of the 9 directors i think there are..at least 5 are part of the McCanns family..so basically yes they have free reign to do as they wish with the money. The McCanns said at the beginning they would never have anything to do with this money. I guess the fact there now directors of the fund means they lied.

I don't understand..when the fund is almost empty supposedly why they keep Mitchell on as the only thing hes good at is trying to stop anything bad coming out about the McCanns. Which fair enough may be more important to them than anything else i guess such as trying to find there daughter who they claim is missing

MOO