OR - Emilio Hoffman, 14, killed in Troutdale high school shooting, 10 June 2014

[bettybaby00]

from your link:


The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.


:scared:

omfg!!!!

 

[Tulessa]

Does this thread need to be updated to apprehended?

 

[Isabelle]

Everyone of these children being interviewed are calmer than the college folks ---------------- kind of bewildering?

They still possess a sense of immortality.

 

[Isabelle]

Any identification on the perp yet?

 

[LolaMoon08]

This is what it is going to have to come down to, IMO. This is not about gun control, but about a gun owners responsibility.

I am assuming the shooter (or shooters) is also a student. I am also assuming that like most of these cases, they acquired their guns and ammunition from their parents collection. Parents are being charged left and right when their children get a hold of their guns and accidentally shoot themselves... well, I am going to take it a step further. IF a child gets a hold of a gun in their parents home and goes into a school and takes the lives of others... they need to be charged with a crime. I will go even further and say the charge should be negligent homicide for every single victim and figure out what kind of charge would come from those injured, but not deceased.

I have no problem with responsible adults owning guns. I am against these weapons being readily available to underage children. I am also against them being readily available to adult children who do not own the gun/s. There is no reason why anyone but the licensed gun owner should have access to their gun/s.

They charge parents with a crime if their children miss too much school!! So, they can surely hold them responsible for this.

I do understand that there are parents who take their children hunting, target practicing, etc... That is fine too. What isn't fine is them knowing where the key is to the gun cabinet or code to a safe, etc... Only under a parents supervision should children have access to a gun... if it is for sport/hunting as a way of life, etc...

MOO

 

[Isabelle]

This is what it is going to have to come down to, IMO. This is not about gun control, but about a gun owners responsibility.

I am assuming the shooter (or shooters) is also a student. I am also assuming that like most of these cases, they acquired their guns and ammunition from their parents collection. Parents are being charged left and right when their children get a hold of their guns and accidentally shoot themselves... well, I am going to take it a step further. IF a child gets a hold of a gun in their parents home and goes into a school and takes the lives of others... they need to be charged with a crime. I will go even further and say the charge should be negligent homicide for every single victim and figure out what kind of charge would come from those injured, but not deceased.

I have no problem with responsible adults owning guns. I am against these weapons being readily available to underage children. I am also against them being readily available to adult children who do not own the gun/s. There is no reason why anyone but the licensed gun owner should have access to their gun/s.

They charge parents with a crime if their children miss too much school!! So, they can surely hold them responsible for this.

I do understand that there are parents who take their children hunting, target practicing, etc... That is fine too. What isn't fine is them knowing where the key is to the gun cabinet or code to a safe, etc... Only under a parents supervision should children have access to a gun... if it is for sport/hunting as a way of life, etc...

MOO

I agree. And parents should also be responsible if their underage child uses a gun that was stolen. Parents need to know what is going on with their children and must be responsible.

 

[atthelake]

http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream

HS kid being interviewed..saying when they removed them to across the street ANOTHER kid had a gun in a bag?!!

 

[Spice]

I would really like to add that a large number of the guns used in these shootings, rampage or school, were obtained by the shooters, LEGALLY and not "stolen" from parents. We would be remiss and willfully in denial to not acknowledge that fact.

I do not have the stomach for more excuses, semantics, or distractions when it comes to this issue. None of us should, no matter which side of the "debate" we are on. We are all Americans and it is all of our children and citizens that are being effected.

We have to meet in the middle and be realistic. This is pathetic.

 

[CARIIS]

If i had kids I would call their school tomm and tell admin you want backpack (or see through only ) bags -- it sounded like this oneused a guitar case (not confirmed but a cop asked the kids see earlier post)

all of this from
http://www.katu.com/news/live

I would go to my neighbors and ask them to call the schools as well it sure as heck cant hurt .

I think just packing a totally see through bag (none at all really but I am learning in this day and age that may be traumatic! Cant grasp that - you need books and your laptop thesedays I guess --- - what the heck are these kids packing for to go to school (guns and ammo evidently) .

I went with books, a notebook and some writing insturments - what has changed here??? I am honestly asking what are your kids needing in mini suitcases?? Worst thing that might happen on occassion, you dropped your books. You picked them up. Worse case scenario was a notebook fell and some papers blew. You gathered them up and went on with your school day!

I also think like getting on the bus , walking out of your house, passing your parents, a sibling , it would be a deterent just making a kid that is thinking about pulling one of these more scared to do it . Like they could get caught wiht a weapon on the whole "event" of "getting" to school - a bus driver? Peer? Your with me.

I dunno...............

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Per CNN: Police news conference expected at top of the hour.

 

[blue22]

I would really like to add that a large number of the guns used in these shootings, rampage or school were obtained by the shooters, LEGALLY and not "stolen" from parents. We would be remiss and willfully in denial to not acknowledge that fact.

I really think it's a problem that mentally delusional people can easily obtain guns in this country.

We don't know that this shooter was delusional, but look at the most recent major school shootings. They all had documented delusional behavior and fantasies.

 

[bettybaby00]

This is what it is going to have to come down to, IMO. This is not about gun control, but about a gun owners responsibility.

I am assuming the shooter (or shooters) is also a student. I am also assuming that like most of these cases, they acquired their guns and ammunition from their parents collection. Parents are being charged left and right when their children get a hold of their guns and accidentally shoot themselves... well, I am going to take it a step further. IF a child gets a hold of a gun in their parents home and goes into a school and takes the lives of others... they need to be charged with a crime. I will go even further and say the charge should be negligent homicide for every single victim and figure out what kind of charge would come from those injured, but not deceased.

I have no problem with responsible adults owning guns. I am against these weapons being readily available to underage children. I am also against them being readily available to adult children who do not own the gun/s. There is no reason why anyone but the licensed gun owner should have access to their gun/s.

They charge parents with a crime if their children miss too much school!! So, they can surely hold them responsible for this.

I do understand that there are parents who take their children hunting, target practicing, etc... That is fine too. What isn't fine is them knowing where the key is to the gun cabinet or code to a safe, etc... Only under a parents supervision should children have access to a gun... if it is for sport/hunting as a way of life, etc...

MOO

It may have to come down to something like this. Another example of parents being held responsible for their kids actions is under age drinking within the home...even if the parents aren't home when it transpires!!!!!

Unfortunately, a good number of these instances also involve perpetrators who acquired their weapons on their own--often legally. In fact I'm only away of the Sandy Hook shooting where wasn't the case????

 

[Isabelle]

I would really like to add that a large number of the guns used in these shootings, rampage or school, were obtained by the shooters, LEGALLY and not "stolen" from parents. We would be remiss and willfully in denial to not acknowledge that fact.

I do not have the stomach for more excuses, semantics, or distractions when it comes to this issue. None of us should, no matter which side of the "debate" we are on. We are all Americans and it is all of our children and citizens that are being effected.

We have to meet in the middle and be realistic. This is pathetic.

Agree. One of the articles stated the perp was 20, not a student at the school but may have been in the past. 20 is not old enough to buy a gun, right?

 

[blue22]

Agree. One of the articles stated the perp was 20, not a student at the school but may have been in the past. 20 is not old enough to buy a gun, right?

I'm pretty sure you have you just have to be over 18 there.

Not that I consider wiki a source, but it's the fist thing that popped up in a google search. Gun laws in Oregon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Spice]

I really think it's a problem that mentally delusional people can easily obtain guns in this country.

We don't know that this shooter was delusional, but look at the most recent major school shootings. They all had documented delusional behavior and fantasies.

Yup.

Here is a study that found 3 types of these shooters out of 10 studied. Psychopathic, Psychotic (Delusional), and Traumatized. For the record, 5 out of the ten studied where Psychotic...(delusional, voices, hallucinations).

http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Articles_files/Rampage School Shooters- A Typology.pdf

This is also a very comprehensive guide to these shootings dating back to 1982 from Mother Jones. This guide will also tell you what type of guns and ammunition were used and whether or not they were obtained legally. It's sad that we even have " a guide" to something like this. It's updated with every new one. Also a sad state of affairs, but it is informative.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

Here is another comprehensive site for information. http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Home.html

 

[Spice]

Agree. One of the articles stated the perp was 20, not a student at the school but may have been in the past. 20 is not old enough to buy a gun, right?

Unfortunately, it depends on where you live and the state gun laws. I do believe it is 18 in Oregon. But I could be incorrect.

 

[blue22]

Yup.

Here is a study that found 3 types of these shooters out of 10 studied. Psychopathic, Psychotic (Delusional), and Traumatized. For the record, 5 out of the ten studied where Psychotic...(delusional, voices, hallucinations).

http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Articles_files/Rampage School Shooters- A Typology.pdf

This is also a very comprehensive guide to these shootings dating back to 1982 from Mother Jones. This guide will also tell you what type of gun used and whether or not it was obtained illegally. It's sad that we even have " a guide" to something like this. It's updated with every new one. Also a sad state of affairs, but it is informative.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

Here is another comprehensive site for information. http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Home.html

The thing is, the NRA (not that I am looking to stir anything up) is too powerful. I don't know that we could ever get mental health laws passed, in regards to guns. It's such a crazy uphill battle.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gunfire-reported-at-oregon-high-school/

A student victim is dead and the male gunman is also deceased after shots were fired Tuesday at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, Ore., east of Portland, Troutdale Police Chief Scott Anderson said.

Either they (media) are being precise or they don't know if the victim is male or female. jmo

 

[CARIIS]

shooter shot by LE. It would be pretty concrete if shooter put gun to his head etc................

Homeland security on scene per the local news ?

Confimed female deceased....

http://www.katu.com/news/live

Oh my god I just saw the MOUND of back packs on the street............................

Just a ponder boyfriend/ girlfriend????

 

[Spice]

Unfortunately, a good number of these instances also involve perpetrators who acquired their weapons on their own--often legally. In fact I'm only away of the Sandy Hook shooting where wasn't the case????

Adam Lanza obtained his guns legally, on his own, and also the ones that his mother gifted.

As did Seung Cho, a person so mentally ill he should have NEVER passed a background check. I think he purchased mostly through the internet.

As did Rodgers, another mentally unstable person with a well documented history of being prescribed, Anti Psychotics, yet was STILL able to purchase deadly weapons legally and passed all background checks.

The list goes on and on and on and on.