OR - Emilio Hoffman, 14, killed in Troutdale high school shooting, 10 June 2014

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Oregon woman sets up fund to help family of high school shooter


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...rred-mourning-article-1.1827698#ixzz34UzTwfqf

I agree with her that responding with hate is not good even though I think the parents should accept some responsibility and come out with a statement. But why does the shooters family need funds? Maybe a funeral, but that would be limited? IDK. Would seem better to raise joint funds, victim and shooter families, or some common fund to end violence in schools.

Meanwhile, Ginny Burdick (link above) who says shooter's the parents should be held criminally responsible, is receiving death threats

(adding, I see the fund IS for funeral expenses - http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_how_to.html)

 

[Spice]

The majority of the time there is not a specific individual target in these shootings. Holmes had no specific individual target. Lanza had no specific individual target. Cho had no specific individual target. Rodgers was targeting women, but not one person specifically. Klebold and Harris, had no "one' specific target. Just to kill as many as possible.

What sets these shootings and killers apart from other gun violence is that it is so impersonal in nature. Something, an idea, and ideology,a grudge such as hating women,(Rodgers) or hating humanity (Cho) (Harris) is often the motivation.

The motivation is rage and hate and the target is anyone in their way.

They are making a statement. And it only makes sense in their sick heads.

 

[Spice]

Police said Wednesday that they have not been able to establish a link between Padgett and Emilio Hoffman, the 14-year-old who was shot dead in a locker room.

Police have not said what they think Padgett's motive might have been, or whether they believe Padgett had a specific target when he arrived at Reynolds High School in Troutdale Tuesday morning or planned a random shooting.

The more I read about this kid (and its admittedly little) the more I get the feeling that he may have had anti-social tendencies or be of the psychopathic typology of rampage shooter.

I say that because what stands out to me the most is that nearly every single person interviewed states that they are stunned that Padgett was the shooter. You hear over and over again "He was so normal" "He was so social" "He seemed like such a good kid". Then you hear about his neatness, his preference for order. You hear about him being a model in his Mormon Church, to the point that he was made a Deacon at 12 and placed at the head of the quorum of his church at such a young age. Everything stellar.

This is something RARELY heard after the fact with a mass shoooter. Usually, you hear how odd and off they were,strange, troubled, not how "normal" they appeared.

Pychopaths or people with ASP tendencies are skilled at impression management. They can easily hide who they really are or what they truly feel and adeptly. This keeps jumping out at me about this kid. This amazing level of impression management.

Just my opinion and observation and feeling.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-...merging-of-teen-gunman-jared-michael-padgett/

 

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It appears there were a lot of students in the gym...

Students took to social media following the lock down at Reynolds High School Tuesday. Freshman student Lucas Dehnert said in a Facebook post Emilio Hoffman, the 14-year-old soccer player killed in the boys locker room, will be remembered as a hero.
“If he didn’t walk into that locker room, Jared would have come to the first place full of students…The gym,” he said.
“Where I, including almost every freshman athlete, were standing. If it wasn’t for Emilio, there would be many many more deaths.”

http://koin.com/2014/06/11/reynolds-high-shooter-jared-padgett-showed-off-about-guns/

Also not that one student says Jared came to school with a bullet one day and she wishes she had reported it, but they were just afraid for him of getting caught.

 

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I meant "also note" not "also not"!

 

[SStarr33]

Kids have always had the ability to commit mass murder with gun's, a car, a knife, etc...

Why are they doing it more now?

 

[human]

The families in all of these events get "blamed". They are victimized as well. It is not like any of these families wanted a member of their family to go down in history as a mass murderer.

This just gives more honor and attention to the shooter.

I am sorry that they have the nightmare.

People are saying the media gives too much attention to these shooters. Now the shooter gets even more honor,

Honor the kids who are going to have nightmares about this for years.

How about the coach ? Honor him

 

[tlcya]

Having compassion for the shooter's family is not "honoring" or "celebrating" him MOO.

I do agree that the less publicity we give the name of the shooter the better and I agree about not making these people famous with all the press for months after an incident delving into the perps social media and interviewing all their friends etc.

 

[human]

Kids have always had the ability to commit mass murder with gun's, a car, a knife, etc...

Why are they doing it more now?

I don't consider college students as kids, though. Do you?

I think as a gun advocate, you may not like to hear this.

When I was growing up, guns were used for getting food or killing varmints.

Killing people with guns was for criminals , not the average person.

The NRA taught kids how to safely use guns.

Now guns are considered macho. It is a whole different way of looking at them.

 

[human]

Having compassion for the shooter's family is not "honoring" or "celebrating" him MOO.

I do agree that the less publicity we give the name of the shooter the better and I agree about not making these people famous with all the press for months after an incident delving into the perps social media and interviewing all their friends etc.

Anyone who is helped in such a public way is honored.

Kids who are not playing with a full deck now see that the shooter's family is getting funds.

It is a tragedy, but if the focus is put on others, the next one won't think it is special because his family is getting something because of his notoriety

 

[SStarr33]

I don't consider college students as kids, though. Do you?

I think as a gun advocate, you may not like to hear this.

When I was growing up, guns were used for getting food or killing varmints.

Killing people with guns was for criminals , not the average person.

The NRA taught kids how to safely use guns.

Now guns are considered macho. It is a whole different way of looking at them.

Actually, you are seeing things my way.

How do you fix that mentality?

 

[Gardenlady]

I think if someone wants to help the shooter's family, then they should go right ahead - privately without all the publicity about it.


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[Spice]

Actually, you are seeing things my way.

How do you fix that mentality?

We would have to undo the narratives of hypermasculinity in our patriarchal society that are very very rooted. Like a big old tree.

 

[Sonya610]

I wonder what drove Jared Padgett to kill Emilio Hoffman.

It was just a case of wrong place at the wrong time for Hoffman.

Police said Padgett was not gunning for Hoffman. The victim just happened to walk into a locker room while Padgett was suiting up for a slaughter.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...rred-mourning-article-1.1827698#ixzz34YpKLJac

 

[x_files]

We would have to undo the narratives of hypermasculinity in our patriarchal society that are very very rooted. Like a big old tree.

I blame some gansta rap, hip-hop culture which is now mainstream. Listen to some of the lyrics.
Glorifying raping, stealing, calling women birches and hoes, shoot up em, drive-by mentality is not healthy.
Not sure if this kid listened to mainstream music or not.

 

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Parents letter delivered to news station today...

http://www.kptv.com/story/25773138/reynolds-shootoing-jared-padgett-father

 

[Spice]

I blame some gansta rap, hip-hop culture which is now mainstream. Listen to some of the lyrics.
Glorifying raping, stealing, calling women birches and hoes, shoot up em, drive-by mentality is not healthy.
Not sure if this kid listened to mainstream music or not.

I cant stand the degrading lyrics toward women and the themes of hypermasculinity, however, these messages are everywhere, not just Hip Hop.

 

[time]

I think if someone wants to help the shooter's family, then they should go right ahead - privately without all the publicity about it.

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I can't imagine why this wasn't handled through their church instead of a by a friend of the older brother starting a campaign on fund me. And, she is going around posting the link everywhere, like in article comment sections and such...

 

[Spice]

Parents letter delivered to news station today...

http://www.kptv.com/story/25773138/reynolds-shootoing-jared-padgett-father

So sad. So so so sad. I feel for them.

 

[human]

That is a very touching letter from the shooter's parents.

It is so hard to imagine that he woke up one day and decided to slaughter at the school.

So so sad for everyone