Found Deceased OR - Joshua McCoy, 5, Autism, goes by "Josh" or "Joshie", may not respond, missing when mom woke up frm nap at 5:30pm, Stage Rd, Hauser, 10 Nov 2024

[INfisherman]

Wasn’t this person a nurse as well. The thought fills me with horror

Yes - see first paragraph of my last post above. AG (the "mother" - I use that term very lightly) was at least still licensed. Given the description of the condition of her home, reported alcohol use, presence of addictive & frequently abused drugs, syringes & Narcan, I’m going to go out on a limb & guess she wasn’t employed at the moment. That hasn’t been specifically reported that I’ve read so my assumptions could be incorrect.

MOO

 

[Gemmie]

Wasn’t this person a nurse as well. The thought fills me with horror

Yes. Here is one article where it states that she is/was a nurse.

Father of 5-year-old boy found dead after vanishing while mom napped speaks out

The father of a five-year-old found dead after vanishing has spoken out.

www.unilad.com

 

[Oblio]

Re:Narcan- I can’t speak for that particular area, but I live in a small town a few hours away and possession of narcan is hardly indicative of drug use. It’s given out like candy and a lot of folks have it in their home just because of how bad it’s been in our area. I know someone who had to use it on their neighbor’s dog after the dog licked some foil on a walk. It’s not an uncommon thing to keep in one’s car, purse, or home here at all.

 

[INfisherman]

Re:Narcan- I can’t speak for that particular area, but I live in a small town a few hours away and possession of narcan is hardly indicative of drug use. It’s given out like candy and a lot of folks have it in their home just because of how bad it’s been in our area. I know someone who had to use it on their neighbor’s dog after the dog licked some foil on a walk. It’s not an uncommon thing to keep in one’s car, purse, or home here at all.

In this instance, respectfully, there were both syringes & Narcan found in AGs bedroom when searched by LE. The presence of both is indicative of potential drug use, IMO.

Not intending to be rude or debating about it.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Perhaps he froze to death nearer the home and was relocated, farther away and concealed. Perhaps he was able to let himself out but not able to come back in.

Such a sad story, how ever it unfolded.

JMO

 

[Oblio]

Perhaps he froze to death nearer the home and was relocated, farther away and concealed. Perhaps he was able to let himself out but not able to come back in.

Such a sad story, how ever it unfolded.

JMO

I’m kind of wondering if this is the case. Or alternately, since he was beside a road, he may have wandered the road the whole time and not sustained many scratches. It was wet, his feet wouldn’t necessarily get dirty or caked by mud on wet asphalt.

 

[OneLove]

Perhaps he froze to death nearer the home and was relocated, farther away and concealed. Perhaps he was able to let himself out but not able to come back in.

Such a sad story, how ever it unfolded.

JMO

Good possibilities. In the same vein, in my social service work in my younger years, it was not uncommon for abusive parents to intentionally lock a child out, sometimes as punishment but sometimes just not to be bothered. Calling her CO friend who had thrown her out for being neglectful & abusive efore calling 911 was quite the odd thing to do. Is it known the time lag between those 2 calls?

 

[Gemmie]

I’m kind of wondering if this is the case. Or alternately, since he was beside a road, he may have wandered the road the whole time and not sustained many scratches. It was wet, his feet wouldn’t necessarily get dirty or caked by mud on wet asphalt.

That makes sense except he was found off the beaten path, not on asphalt.

 

[Kittybunny]

Sheriff: Autopsy shows 5-year-old Joshua McCoy died of hypothermia

The Coos County Sheriff's Office said Friday that an autopsy was performed on the remains of 5-year-old Joshua McCoy that showed the boy had died of hypothermia

nbc16.com

COQUILLE, Ore. — The Coos County Sheriff's Office said Friday that an autopsy was performed on the remains of 5-year-old Joshua McCoy that showed the boy had died of hypothermia, which is the lowering of the body temperature when exposed to the outside elements.

"Elements of the autopsy are still being analyzed, and a final report has not been issued," CCSO stated.

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While the investigation is ongoing, CCSO said no specific information is released to the public until it has been reviewed by the District Attorney’s Office to ensure that a crime has not been committed and to protect the parties involved in the investigation.

"It is as important for investigators to prove innocence of involved parties as it is to prove guilt," the Sheriff's office stated.

More at link.

"At this point everything points to this being, unfortunately, a horrible, tragic accident," Frasier continued. The autopsy found different evidence to suggest that in fact the child had been walking in the woods.”

I was as shocked as many of you when I read the article that they don’t think this is homicide, and there are still a lot of shady things that give me pause, but maybe there were scratches after all and things that were not apparent to the eye when they found him.

That said, with evidence of drug use and neglect, couldn’t they still charge her with child endangerment or something?

 

[INfisherman]

"At this point everything points to this being, unfortunately, a horrible, tragic accident," Frasier continued. The autopsy found different evidence to suggest that in fact the child had been walking in the woods.”

I was as shocked as many of you when I read the article that they don’t think this is homicide, and there are still a lot of shady things that give me pause, but maybe there were scratches after all and things that were not apparent to the eye when they found him.

That said, with evidence of drug use and neglect, couldn’t they still charge her with child endangerment or something?

The first reports of the autopsy were stating hypothermia was a contributing factor to his death & his body lacked scratches & dirt on feet. Now a couple of days later, they’re reporting it as the cause of death. The full autopsy report hasn’t been completed yet. LE not making further statements regarding the mother’s changing timeline or results of looking at mud on her vehicle’s tires. Just saying they’re awaiting lab results, which could mean tox report or mud testing/investigation on vehicle or possibly both.

No clue what they can or cannot charge her with at this point.

JMO

 

[tealrose]

https://www.koin.com/local/oregon-coast/coos-county-boy-5-died-from-hypothermia/

Authorities said Joshua’s phone provided digital evidence “which led investigators to reasonably believe that Joshua had walked away from the home while (his mother) Ms. German was sleeping."

 

[airportwoman]

In this instance, respectfully, there were both syringes & Narcan found in AGs bedroom when searched by LE. The presence of both is indicative of potential drug use, IMO.

Not intending to be rude or debating about it.

MOO

My first thought was that a diabetic lived there, but if they're just laying around, that's another story. Legitimate diabetics are usually very careful about needle storage and disposal.

 

[tealrose]

My first thought was that a diabetic lived there, but if they're just laying around, that's another story. Legitimate diabetics are usually very careful about needle storage and disposal.

Has it been confirmed whether there was simply narcan and sharps existing in some manner in the home, or if they were actually scattered around in a way that would imply drug use?

 

[INfisherman]

My first thought was that a diabetic lived there, but if they're just laying around, that's another story. Legitimate diabetics are usually very careful about needle storage and disposal.

Yes - my dad is diabetic & has taken insulin for years.

I wouldn’t harp on the potential drug use if the living conditions (food & feces on floors), alcohol use, barbiturates & ketamine weren’t also part of the overall picture. The combination of things described paints a picture to me of a parent that doesn’t put the needs of a child before their own or care about the environment in which the child is raised.

Granted, there could be other circumstances for certain things (she is a nurse so syringes might be around, but in her bedroom along with Narcan & other bottles of pills?), but it just seems to be more than coincidence to me. I could very well be wrong leaning one way before all the cards are on the table, but it’s just not smelling right when everything is taken as a whole. I do hope I am wrong, FWIW.

JMO

ETA zero mention of any diabetics in the home.

 

[INfisherman]

Has it been confirmed whether there was simply narcan and sharps existing in some manner in the home, or if they were actually scattered around in a way that would imply drug use?

Not OP but it’s not been confirmed that I have seen. Media reports haven’t painted a picture of her being a candidate for mother of the year by any stretch of the imagination. Like I said above, the list of possible negatives being pointed out seem much longer than the positives. Even a friend of hers called child services on her, prior to all of this, because the mother was sleeping so often when the child was present.

JMO

 

[Rixey]

In this instance, respectfully, there were both syringes & Narcan found in AGs bedroom when searched by LE. The presence of both is indicative of potential drug use, IMO.

Not intending to be rude or debating about it.

MOO

The rest of the evidence does point to there being a possible (likely?) substance abuse issues, but simply having syringes and/or Narcan doesn't really mean much. I have both in my home and I have never used drugs. The Narcan I got as part of the life-saving training I've gotten in conjunction with being a volunteer with the local health department. A couple years ago I was also given Narcan to have on hand because my father had been prescribed narcotics after a surgery, apparently this is SOP for some health systems now. The syringes are for my dog.

 

[INfisherman]

The rest of the evidence does point to there being a possible (likely?) substance abuse issues, but simply having syringes and/or Narcan doesn't really mean much. I have both in my home and I have never used drugs. The Narcan I got as part of the life-saving training I've gotten in conjunction with being a volunteer with the local health department. A couple years ago I was also given Narcan to have on hand because my father had been prescribed narcotics after a surgery, apparently this is SOP for some health systems now. The syringes are for my dog.

I appreciate your reply, but please see my more recent posts for clarity. I was focusing only on what the OP was mentioning in that particular post & should have included the rest of the reported evidence leading me to my suspicions. That’s my fault. For clarity & sake of avoiding beating a dead horse, it’s not just the needles & Narcan.

No rudeness intended - tired.

MOO

 

[tealrose]

sake of avoiding beating a dead horse

I suppose at this point, we're all beating a dead horse since authorities have determined that his phone and other evidence supports him having wandered off on his own.

Another quote from law enforcement in the article I linked above (and again here, for reference) gives an even stronger impression of the current results of the investigation... especially since it's not a viewpoint that criminal investigators tend to promote. It seems very intentional and deliberate that the statement was made.

“It is as important for investigators to prove innocence of involved parties as it is to prove guilt,” they said.

https://www.koin.com/local/oregon-coast/coos-county-boy-5-died-from-hypothermia/

It just occurred to me that there might well be justifiable (and even law enforcement encouraged) reason for the mother to be "hiding"... I'd honestly be surprised if there had not been a plethora of threats against her safety.

 

[INfisherman]

I suppose at this point, we're all beating a dead horse since authorities have determined that his phone and other evidence supports him having wandered off on his own.

Another quote from law enforcement in the article I linked above (and again here, for reference) gives an even stronger impression of the current results of the investigation... especially since it's not a viewpoint that criminal investigators tend to promote. It seems very intentional and deliberate that the statement was made.

https://www.koin.com/local/oregon-coast/coos-county-boy-5-died-from-hypothermia/

It just occurred to me that there might well be justifiable (and even law enforcement encouraged) reason for the mother to be "hiding"... I'd honestly be surprised if there had not been a plethora of threats against her safety.

Good points - you might be on to something. Possibly beating a dead horse but forums are for discussion. The reference was limited to the needles & Narcan, FWIW.

LE seems to be playing it a bit closer to the vest than I initially thought. Final autopsy results are still pending, also mentioned intentionally & deliberately. Articulating facts is quite the interesting choice of words for something to be allegedly finalized. We shall see. I find it a bit convenient his phone was in airplane mode & we’re not hearing where her phone was at the time. Lab tests can be a myriad of things, not just a tox report for the deceased.

Unsure if DA can dictate potential charges coming from DHS/CPS. His reach may be limited to criminal charges. DHS/CPS may have other ideas. There was a reason a pickup order had been issued months ago, which likely had nothing to do with the DA, so there’s also that to consider.

FWIW & not that I feel you’re implying, I’ve never once said she’s guilty of causing his death. I have no qualms saying I have suspicions she might have or her actions did little to prevent it from occurring though. Bit of a difference there. However, she’s a poor excuse for a parent based on the little info I’ve seen. In the end, my thoughts/opinions in discussions have zero impact on whether the DA will file charges or not. Hopefully there will be more thorough explanations as to what all has led them to believe charges won’t be filed "in the immediate future". Hard for me to be convinced his cell info alone fully exonerates her, and that’s all LE is mentioning so far besides initial autopsy findings. Don’t know, tealrose - wish there were more info, for her sake. I certainly get no pleasure voicing my negative thoughts on the matter.

Charges or not, the media reports have painted what his home life was like quite clearly.

JMO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I wonder if Joshie's autism included a strong dislike of being dirty, or a sensory issue with leaves or dirt on his feet. If so, then maybe whatever dirt/leaves there were on his feet, once he stopped walking, he prioritized wiping away to the point where his feet looked fairly clean? Just a thought. MOO