OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[i.b.nora]

An article about the refuge and the Hammonds and other Burns people from 2010:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january312010/cattle_jsc.php

Jan-31-2010 13:02
Disquiet on the Western Front: Showdown in the Malheur Marshes
By Jeffrey St. Clair Special to Salem-News.com
Eastern Oregon cattle ranchers get away with criminal behavior toward the families of federal employees.

“(HARNEY COUNTY, Ore.) - Six hundred miles north of Tonopah, Nevada, in the high desert of central Oregon, lies Harney County, another site of intense confrontation between federal officials and the militant property rights movement. Here federal Fish and Wildlife Service agents sought to fence off a wetland that had been trampled by a rancher’s cows on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge about thirty miles south of the dust-caked town of Burns.

In an affidavit, Earl M. Kisler, a Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement officer, said that rancher Dwight Hammond had repeatedly threatened refuge officials with violence over an eight year period. On one occasion Hammond told the manager of the federal refuge that “he was going to tear his head off and **** down his neck.”

According to the affidavit, Hammond threated to kill refuge manager Forrest Cameron and assistant manager Dan Walsworth and claimed he was ready to die over a fence line that the refuge wanted to construct to keep his cows out of a marsh and wetland.

The tensions between the Hammond family and the government started when the refuge, which was established as a haven for migrating birds, refused to renew a grazing permit for Hammond’s cattle operation. Then came the incident over the wetland, which Hammond had been using as a water hole for his cows.”​

Much, much more ...

 

[i.b.nora]

More than a century later, the 300 square-mile sanctuary is one of the most important migratory bird sites in North America. Three hundred twenty different species of birds use the refuge each year.

And the “white heron” is back.​

http://www.opb.org/news/article/biz...-to-malheurs-protection/#.Vpz7QjjiOv8.twitter

The Bizarre Bird Hat Fad That Led To Malheur’s Public Land Protections
by Jes Burns OPB/EarthFix | Jan. 15, 2016 3:22 p.m. | Updated: Jan. 16, 2016 12:37 p.m. | Ashland, Oregon

“The story of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge starts with women’s hats - elaborate feathered hats that were part of a fashion craze that was sweeping Europe and the United States in the late 1800s.

The hats were audacious, colorful and sometimes included more than just feathers – picture heads, wings and whole stuffed birds sitting astride the fancy lady’s head.

To feed the haute couture appetites of the middle and upper classes, so-called “plume hunters” were crossing the county, killing millions upon millions of birds.

In 1898, the plume hunters found Malheur Lake.

According to photographer William Finley, a pair of hunters wiped out the population of “white herons,” or egrets, in just a day and a half. In an article in the Atlantic Monthly, he wrote these words.

“Malheur has seen many such massacres, but none so great as that,” he wrote in the Atlantic Monthly in 1910.”​

More...

 

[bluesneakers]

Ooo ooooo! Can I be Joan? It would involve some creative work in the chestular region, but, still...........

BTW...after reading about LARPers, I asked a couple of friends who are involved in SCA if the two were kind of the same thing and received a scathing "no". Did not get a more detailed explanation, tho, since it was via FB messages.....

Ask them if SCA is the same as Renaissance fair and run for your life.

 

[bluesneakers]

Did you notice there is more than one type of payment? Some are specifically earmarked to meet the needs of the child and some are NOT earmarked as such. That's why I posted the link. I would imagine most people don't realize that. I know I didn't. I can't copy and paste a portion of the link (that says that) but perhaps you can. It might be helpful.

But...

According to a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities paid the family

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...led-from-his-home-lavoy-finicum-burns-oregon/

Are their payments separated into the same categories?

 

[bluesneakers]

An article about the refuge and the Hammonds and other Burns people from 2010:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january312010/cattle_jsc.php

Jan-31-2010 13:02
Disquiet on the Western Front: Showdown in the Malheur Marshes
By Jeffrey St. Clair Special to Salem-News.com
Eastern Oregon cattle ranchers get away with criminal behavior toward the families of federal employees.

Wth is wrong with these people?

Cushman nevertheless remained committed to keeping the pressure on federal wildlife agents. “I will make them responsible. Their names—no matter where they go or where they work—those people will know when they get there who they have to deal with. They will be a pariah for the rest of their lives.

While the case was pending, Cameron and the other three employees at the wildlife refuge continued to be on the receiving end of threats from local ranchers and their allies. Shops in Burns began displaying signs warning, “This establishment doesn’t serve federal employees.”

 

[RickshawFan]

Wth is wrong with these people?

Regarding the signs in shops prohibiting service to federal employees.....

Please understand that there are hardly any shops in Burns.

 

[i.b.nora]

Posse Comitatus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization)

 

[RickshawFan]

Many stores in Burns are not viable businesses......And that's been true for the last century or so.

If stores in Burns are not serving federal/state government employees, they're going out of business or aren't able to get that business anyway.

Many companies are not qualified to do business with federal purchasers, since the feds can't shop just anywhere.

This is the impact of a store sign like that:
I'm gonna put up a sign that prohibits an activity that's never gonna happen, as in: "Bathing your pet wild brown bear in my pool is prohibited." Ummmm...I don't have a pool?

 

[RickshawFan]

Posse Comitatus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization)

Yes, the posse comitatus at work in Oregon. Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, and fundamentalists all rolled into one. And then there's Congressman Bob Smith in the mix....

 

[bluesneakers]

Many stores in Burns are not viable businesses......And that's been true for the last century or so.

If stores in Burns are not serving federal/state government employees, they're going out of business or aren't able to get that business anyway.

Many companies are not qualified to do business with federal purchasers, since the feds can't shop just anywhere.

This is the impact of a store sign like that:
I'm gonna put up a sign that prohibits an activity that's never gonna happen, as in: "Bathing your pet wild brown bear in my pool is prohibited." Ummmm...I don't have a pool?

It's just the attitude behind it. There are good reasons to not let a brown bear into your pool but it's childish to put up a "We don't serve federal employees" sign.

I've been to Burns and on days when I'm feeling particularly misanthropic I fantasize about moving to Brothers.

 

[KaaBoom]

There is one Black person at the refuge:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ers-activist-us-constitution?CMP=share_btn_tw

Now try to find a Black Lives Matter protest, with ONLY one white protester. Pete Santilli brought that guy there to try and counter claims that black people would be treated differently. That guy is not a real part of this protest.

 

[ILOKAL]

But...

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...led-from-his-home-lavoy-finicum-burns-oregon/

Are their payments separated into the same categories?

But, I thought your topic was government stipends for families with foster children and how they are supposed to be spent.

 

[RickshawFan]

It's just the attitude behind it. There are good reasons to not let a brown bear into your pool but it's childish to put up a "We don't serve federal employees" sign.

I've been to Burns and on days when I'm feeling particularly misanthropic I fantasize about moving to Brothers.

Yes, on the childish part. I guess the shop owners aren't expecting social security or medicare.

And yes, on moving to Brothers though Sisters might be a little more comfy.... There are times I wish I'd sprung for the few bucks it would take to buy Millican.

 

[RickshawFan]

Does anyone remember the situation with the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (aka Osho) and his followers in Oregon in the early 80's? It went on for months, years.....How they took over the local governments? Decided they didn't have to obey US law? Threats to law enforcement? Bused in homeless men from other states to vote in local elections? Threats to kill the prosecutor? Bought him dozens of Rolls Royces (though he's supposed to be this humble guru)? Poisoned a salad bar in The Dalles with ricin (?)? Hundreds of people became ill. This was the first episode of international terrorism in the US by the way. People seem to think 9/11 was it, but they would be wrong....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram


The Burns situation has a lot of deja vu aspects....

Hard to imagine why Osho continues to have a following after all that was revealed... He's really big among gullible international followers in India.

 

[i.b.nora]

The American Lands Council

In Western states, idea of reclaiming federal land still has a strong allure
Los Angeles Times
Nigel Duara, Reporter
May 10, 2015

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-land-battle-20150510-story.html

“American Lands Council promises cash-strapped Western communities a chance to win back federal acreage

Spread over 6,500 miles of sparse scrub and alkaline soil, Millard County is one of Utah's poorest. But for five years, the cash-strapped county so remote it was the site of a Japanese American internment camp in World War II still found $1,000 to send to the American Lands Council.

The Lands Council's goal is grand but simple: to wrest control of vast swaths of land from the federal government and turn them over to the states.”​

I would say they are a likely source of funding behind the Malheur Refuge takeover. I am looking for others. Koch Brothers come to mind, but they are difficult to root out.

 

[Lilibet]

Does anyone remember the situation with the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (aka Osho) and his followers in Oregon in the early 80's? It went on for months, years.....How they took over the local governments? Decided they didn't have to obey US law? Threats to law enforcement? Bused in homeless men from other states to vote in local elections? Threats to kill the prosecutor? Bought him dozens of Rolls Royces (though he's supposed to be this humble guru)? Poisoned a salad bar in The Dalles with ricin (?)? Hundreds of people became ill. This was the first episode of international terrorism in the US by the way. People seem to think 9/11 was it, but they would be wrong....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram


The Burns situation has a lot of deja vu aspects....

Hard to imagine why Osho continues to have a following after all that was revealed... He's really big among gullible international followers in India.

I certainly do remember. This all exploded shortly after we moved to Oregon in 1984! The Rajneeshees had gained a tremendous amount of power before they were brought down. As I keep saying, do NOT underestimate this group at the refuge. They may seem like a joke, but they are absolutely and dangerously focused on their ultimate agenda. Even if they leave the refuge, they will keep going elsewhere and gather followers. JMO

 

[human]

It would be comical and I guess it is, but their views are so typical. They probably are down on welfare cheats or even people who get welfare.

It is amazing the amount of money they feel they can scam from the citizens of the US and think THEY are entitled . Their sense of entitlement is mind blowing.

 

[bluesneakers]

Does anyone remember the situation with the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (aka Osho) and his followers in Oregon in the early 80's? It went on for months, years.....How they took over the local governments? Decided they didn't have to obey US law? Threats to law enforcement? Bused in homeless men from other states to vote in local elections? Threats to kill the prosecutor? Bought him dozens of Rolls Royces (though he's supposed to be this humble guru)? Poisoned a salad bar in The Dalles with ricin (?)? Hundreds of people became ill. This was the first episode of international terrorism in the US by the way. People seem to think 9/11 was it, but they would be wrong....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneeshpuram


The Burns situation has a lot of deja vu aspects....

Hard to imagine why Osho continues to have a following after all that was revealed... He's really big among gullible international followers in India.

I'd forgotten all about that. Yes, there are some similarities, though so far the mm seem to be more talk than action. At least so far.

 

[flourish]

Ooo ooooo! Can I be Joan? It would involve some creative work in the chestular region, but, still...........

BTW...after reading about LARPers, I asked a couple of friends who are involved in SCA if the two were kind of the same thing and received a scathing "no". Did not get a more detailed explanation, tho, since it was via FB messages.....

Yes but I'm Betty! In her pink and gray argyle dress she wore to her Dr in the 1st season!

 

[Lilibet]

It was actually salmonella, not ricin, used to poison the salad bars and influence elections. Bad enough!

The salmonella attack was noted as the first confirmed instance of chemical or biological terrorism to have occurred in the United States

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack

More info about this episode in Oregon...
http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/