Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #62 ~ the appeal~

[cottonweaver]

Just looked it up - 5 days.

I appreciate he is not "public enemy number 1" but as he is still famous and was serving it in NYC where there are plenty of gun-toting "fans" and Lennon-killers.... if the NYPD could keep him safe whilst he did his very visible penance, why not for OP?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/aug/01/arts.artsnews

apparently he described the CS as a good laugh and his old mum had offered to do it for him!
"I was treated really nicely; it was worth it. I quite enjoyed it, really. I was pissed off to start with but people were jumping out of manholes to see me and being really nice. So many people came to see me. The trick is just to do your job. You get tea-breaks and stuff. It can be a real laugh. New York is so clean now you could eat your dinner off its streets. I'll do London next, but I'll charge this time.""
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cribes-his-stint-as-a-garbage-man-415094.html

 

[soozieqtips]

I can understand why someone - especially a woman who uses handbags- might not like the idea of just leaving a dead woman's handbag in a house. - especially if I wasn't sure if I could trust the police. Had the missing watches already been noticed by the time the bag was taken to the police station, does anyone know?

Anecdotally, when a colleague died suddenly at work, it seemed wrong to just leave his broken glasses on the desk- so a different colleague took them, with his hat, to our dead colleague's wife. Obviously his death wasn't suspicious, and it is a specific anecdote, but perhaps because of this I can understand aimee and carice's desire to help/do something/ make sure it got to her mother...

You and GR_Turner both spell Aimee's name with a lowercase 'a'. It just jumped out at me because it's so unusual to spell someone's first name without a capital letter.

 

[soozieqtips]

........it had nothing to do with her whatsoever.....by moving it from the crime scene she would not have been doing any service to the investigation which was a barrier she decided to cross on purpose ....

OP's phone went walkabouts from a crime scene, and Aimee removed Reeva's handbag from a crime scene. I don't see anything innocent in either of those acts.

 

[cottonweaver]

whilst this is not a Community service order - it's a real sentence given out by a judge....

'Judge Cicconetti is well-known for his creative sentencing. In one case he sentenced a drunk driver to a trip to the morgue to view crash victim’s bodies. ...Judge Cicconetti eschews a “law and order” approach, saying:
“I do whatever I think will prevent a person from coming back in the courts again, Yeah it’s a little different. It’s a little unique, but maybe we just need that a little bit in the judicial system.”

https://lawdiva.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/creative-ohio-judge-renders-unusual-criminal-sentences/

 

[GR_Turner]

Indeed. Was Aimee going to play Nancy Drew and go through the bag looking for what she thought was important to the investigation?

The bottom line is that the police didn't think what she did warranted any action so they clearly didn't think she had done anything wrong or not deliberately anyway.

 

[GR_Turner]

You and GR_Turner both spell Aimee's name with a lowercase 'a'. It just jumped out at me because it's so unusual to spell someone's first name without a capital letter.

typing on a phone isn't always perfect!

 

[Trotterly]

..........but this was a crime scene, moreover to help Pistorius.......so why would she want to help Reeva exactly ? .......it's pushing the possibles too far, virtually bordering on ridicule...sounds dodgy to me.

The police must share some of the blame here because until the watch was stolen it sure wasn't being treated like a crime scene.

 

[lithgow1]

The bottom line is that the police didn't think what she did warranted any action so they clearly didn't think she had done anything wrong or not deliberately anyway.

The police do not always press charges, as per the allegations re Carl Pistorius and the missing phone. You rely on what the police did when it suits you argument and criticise their work whenever it doesn`t. She took the handbag of a victim she barely knew from a crime scene where her brother had been arrested for murder. IMO that is not the correct thing to do.

 

[soozieqtips]

The bottom line is that the police didn't think what she did warranted any action so they clearly didn't think she had done anything wrong or not deliberately anyway.

BIB - You have no idea what they thought. They could just have easily assumed she took the bag so she could check there was nothing incriminating in it (perhaps yet another phone that needed to disappear) but decided not to take it further as they couldn't prove it. So that's a third option to add to your two - that they thought she'd done nothing wrong, or that she hadn't done anything deliberately. Sorry, but when a close relative of a killer decides to remove evidence from a crime scene, it's not normally by "accident" or as a "favour" to the dead person their relative has just killed.

 

[cottonweaver]

You and GR_Turner both spell Aimee's name with a lowercase 'a'. It just jumped out at me because it's so unusual to spell someone's first name without a capital letter.

:thinking::silenced:

 

[Colin de France]

typing on a phone isn't always perfect!

....do you share the same phone then ? .......

 

[GR_Turner]

....do you share the same phone then ? .......

I do wish you'd stop with these sorts of comments. Report us to the mods if you really think we are the same person or drop the insinuations once and for all please.

 

[Colin de France]

I do wish you'd stop with these sorts of comments. Report us to the mods if you really think we are the same person or drop the insinuations once and for all please.

......it was a question, a simple "no" would of sufficed.......

 

[aftermath]

You and GR_Turner both spell Aimee's name with a lowercase 'a'. It just jumped out at me because it's so unusual to spell someone's first name without a capital letter.

Do we? Maybe gr turner is posting from a mobile like I am. It automatically starts sentences with caps but I can't always be bothered to tap the caps lock button when typing a name.

 

[aftermath]

typing on a phone isn't always perfect!

Aha! I knew it! Blooming phone!

 

[aftermath]

I do wish you'd stop with these sorts of comments. Report us to the mods if you really think we are the same person or drop the insinuations once and for all please.

Just got to this latest stuck record series of a barely hinted accusation. Surprise surprise, i second the suggestion made by gr turner in this post: Ask the mods for confirmation if it irks you so much. These repetitive hints and insinuations are a not-so-subtle way of deflecting the focus from the flawed 'pistorius is a loud/silent killer' argument

 

[Deleted member 102539]

The bottom line is that the police didn't think what she did warranted any action so they clearly didn't think she had done anything wrong or not deliberately anyway.

One wants to know whether other sisters and brothers of not-so-famous perps would be allowed also to remove some bags or phones. Think, NOT.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

The police must share some of the blame here because until the watch was stolen it sure wasn't being treated like a crime scene.

I as a layman would think:
There had been at least 2 lawyers on the crime scene (1 female, 1 male) to "support" famousneighbourandfriendandclient OP. Lawyers do know how to ruin a crime scene in a legal sense and maybe (not only "maybe", I think) they gave advice to do so.
Another question: I have just shot my girlfriend to death, she is laying downstairs, her blood all around in the house - and I haven't any better to think and to do than count my lovely 8 sponsor watches and making one disappear??? How abnormal is that??? Another evidence for a cold blooded killing and for non-existing remorse and grief whether I'm praying a little bit beside my dead girlfriend or not.

 

[aftermath]

One wants to know whether other sisters and brothers of not-so-famous perps would be allowed also to remove some bags or phones. Think, NOT.

She shouldn't have been allowed to remove it from the scene and she should have left it there, but there doesn't have to be a sinister motive behind her decision to take it to the police station. Perhaps she didn't trust that someone wouldn't go through it and take something, or perhaps she just wanted to make sure that Reeva's personal handbag reached her mother.

 

[Interested Bystander]

She handed it in at the police station though so it was available there and she may have felt it was safer there. Remember that the police removed the door from the scene because they were afraid one of the policemen might steal it so the same might have applied to other things.

Testimony about what happened to the bag (see link). No mention of giving it to the police even though Carice and Aimee took Oscar’s clothes to the station. Please could you tell me from where you got the information that Aimee gave Reeva’s bag to the police at the station. I have never heard this before and would be interested to know. I have listened again to Carice’s testimony and nowhere was this stated. Carice clearly says it was taken to give to Reeva's mother. No mention of giving it to the police at the station.

However it is dressed up, and whether or not the police chose to do anything about it or not, it is an offence to remove anything from a crime scene. I think the fact that this happened at all is an indication of the poor quality of much of the policing in SA.

[video=youtube;cTYFykD2nRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTYFykD2nRk[/video]
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