Yes we have been over this. The housekeeper evidence was entered into evidence via Mrs Stipp's evidence. A part of her statement is in the defense heads. Your second shots at 3.15 is contradicted by both the 3.17 Stipp call and 3.16 Johnson call both of which are from the state's evidence and the accuracy of neither of which was queried by the state.
Ok but you do realise that the allegation is that male cries of distress were mistaken for the distressed cries of a woman? So we're not saying that there were actually any female screams at all and that they were mistaken for something else.
I don't see your argument. The defense one is simple. For whatever reason, 4 people heard screaming while one heard crying (and in her affidavit she first mistook it for a baby). If your argument is that screaming and crying can't be mistaken for one another then you are arguing against the fact that this clearly happened that night.
Yes, the Stipps' housekeeper was awakened by what she thought was a baby crying but then realized it sounded more like a
woman crying* followed by "boom, boom, boom." *
[NOTE: Just backtracked and found Cottonweaver's post at #894 recalling Annette Stipp's testimony that her housekeeper described the woman as screaming rather than crying.] Reeva could have been both crying and screaming for all we know. (What does one do when they know their boyfriend is about to kill them?) I still say that crying and screaming are typically understood to be very different vocalizations based on different emotions, and that while it may be possible to confuse the gender of someone crying, it is probably less likely to mistake a woman's blood curdling screams for that of a man. My main point to you, however, has always been that the sounds of a MALE crying were all reported AFTER the last shots.
Is there any actual record of a second attempted call to 10111 (SAPS) by Dr. Stipp at 10:17? Dr. Stipp called Silverwoods Security at 3:15:51 and spoke to Pieter Baba. This is an established call time based on the guard house phone records. This is AFTER hearing the second "shots" and after his failed attempt to call an 082# security number which his wife had to find for him. Oscar's next door neighbor, Michael Nhlengthwa attempted to call security the first time at 3:16:13 after hearing the only and last shot sounds he heard that night and then spoke to Pieter Baba on his second call at 3:16:36. These are confirmed times based on call data.
In his cross examination, Roux asks Dr. Stipp if he heard the screams right after his call to 10111 (SAPS) at "3:17" and Stipp inexplicably answers affirmatively.
How is this possible if both he and Michael N. are on record as already having reported the last set of shots before 3:16? Dr. Stipp's testimony was that he heard the second shots as he attempted to call 10111 which was actually right BEFORE his call to Pieter Baba at 3:15:51. I do not know of any actual call data that supports Dr. Stipp's alleged second call to 10111 at 3:17. I cannot explain why Stipp agreed to this call time or why it was accepted by the State. As far as I can see, it does not conform to the other testimony and call records for Dr. Stipp. This is a "stump the chumps" moment for me.
In the link I provided earlier to Mr. Fossil's "Key Questions" analysis, you can see how under cross examination Johnson is uncertain if his misplaced call to Strubenkop Security began at 3:16 and lasted for 58 seconds or if it began at 3:16:58. He repeatedly asks Roux if this has been clarified with the official call data but Roux deliberately obfuscates the matter. (I can't imagine why the State or the Defense could not obtain and furnish call data from the Strubenkop security logs, which should have been required I would think.)
Sorry to keep flogging a dead horse, but this 3:17 business really gets to me...
