Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #63 ~ the appeal~

[cottonweaver]

I totally agree. 'Fringe groups' should not be allowed to interfere with what is a legal determintion that he is due for release. Apparently his release was discussed in June and all agreed. I think the Justice Minister is attention seeking (I am being flippant) LOL!

BIB I wouldn't dismiss your comment out of hand quite yet IB.

Imagine what this feels for OP today. Will be a crushing disappointment for him unless he has already been informed that it just means a delay of a couple of days. ???

Flippant comment 2- Lois better postpone the outside caterers.

 

[cottonweaver]

According to David Dadic's people had already set up camp outside the prison?!

https://twitter.com/DavidDadic/with_replies

 

[Mr Fossil]

Excerpt from Justice Ministry statement

Section 73(7)(a) of the Correctional Services Act, Act 111 of 1998 states the following:‘A person sentenced to incarceration under section 276(1)(i) of the Criminal Procedure Act,must serve at least one sixth of his or her sentence before being considered for placementunder correctional supervisor, unless the court directs otherwise.’

It is apparent therefore that the decision to release him on 21 August 2015 was madeprematurely on 5 June 2015 when the offender was not eligible to be considered at all. It istherefore clear that there is no legal basis upon which such a decision was made and is incontravention of Section 73 (7) (a) which requires him to have served 1sixth of his 5 yearssentence. 1sixth of a 5 years sentence is 10 months and at the time the decision was made Mr Pistorius had served only over 6 months of his sentence. It is important to state that the Minister cannot make a decision to approve or disapprove the CSPBs’ decision, except for offenders serving life sentences, as proposed by the said petition. However section 77(1) ofthe Correctional Services Act enables him to refer matters to the Correctional Supervisionand Parole Review Board (CSPRB) for a review of the decision of the CSPB

 

[Colin de France]

What was the extent of his training, does anyone really know? Reference to the written theory test has been made in the past, but perhaps his training didn't cover the physical reality of an armed confrontation or how to master the effects of the fight-flight-freeze panic-response.

.............or bouncing bullets .............

 

[Mr Fossil]

Full Justice Ministry statement http://www.pod702.co.za/Eyewitnessnews/docs/150819pistorius.pdf

 

[Colin de France]

Full Justice Ministry statement http://www.pod702.co.za/Eyewitnessnews/docs/150819pistorius.pdf

....is there a possibility that he won't be out before november or are they simply arranging a secret date ....?

 

[soozieqtips]

Just before going out for the day this was what I was just going to say. Many seem to have forgotten that a complete convenient fabrication it may be but this story is still a reasonable explanation and it stood up for Masipa and it will stand for the SCA as well.

In summary, to all those wanting to slam the door for 15 years, he is a human being not an animal and will be judged (again) as such.

BIB - this 'human being' took another human being's life. Remorse? Never seen it. Humility? Never seen it. Reeva had a life too. She had a family, friends, work, a social life, a future. This is a victim's forum, and Reeva was a victim - not OP. Taking away 15 years of his life as punishment for taking away 60-odd years from Reeva's (not to mention leaving her family with the image of an exploded head as a lasting memory of her)... is not treating him like an animal. What it could be is the tiniest sliver of justice for the victim - Reeva - someone you barely acknowledge at all. Reserve your sympathy for the killer if you will, but do not expect the majority of posters on a victim's forum to feel the same sympathy for the killer as you do.

 

[GR_Turner]

BIB - this 'human being' took another human being's life. Remorse? Never seen it. Humility? Never seen it. Reeva had a life too. She had a family, friends, work, a social life, a future. This is a victim's forum, and Reeva was a victim - not OP. Taking away 15 years of his life as punishment for taking away 60-odd years from Reeva's (not to mention leaving her family with the image of an exploded head as a lasting memory of her)... is not treating him like an animal. What it could be is the tiniest sliver of justice for the victim - Reeva - someone you barely acknowledge at all. Reserve your sympathy for the killer if you will, but do not expect the majority of posters on a victim's forum to feel the same sympathy for the killer as you do.

Do you mean the members aren't interested in justice for accused as well as victim?

 

[GR_Turner]

Karyn Maughan




So they got their dates mixed up rather than bowed to pressure?
see
https://twitter.com/karynmaughan

I assume they did the same as they always do in these matters. I wonder whether all their decisions will need to be sent back to them for them to review. I gather this the same board who found him eligible in June, or have I misunderstood?

 

[GR_Turner]

BIB - this 'human being' took another human being's life. Remorse? Never seen it. Humility? Never seen it. Reeva had a life too. She had a family, friends, work, a social life, a future. This is a victim's forum, and Reeva was a victim - not OP. Taking away 15 years of his life as punishment for taking away 60-odd years from Reeva's (not to mention leaving her family with the image of an exploded head as a lasting memory of her)... is not treating him like an animal. What it could be is the tiniest sliver of justice for the victim - Reeva - someone you barely acknowledge at all. Reserve your sympathy for the killer if you will, but do not expect the majority of posters on a victim's forum to feel the same sympathy for the killer as you do.

I guess it depends on what you think happened. If he really thought he,was about to be attacked then I don't think he deserves what's happened. The sa system normally accepts that these sorts of cases don't require the full force of the law but because there is doubt they have gone for the maximum they can. No one thinks that people who are hit by cars and die should be forgotten but most also think that the 'killer' should be punished according to the crime, not according to how sad it is that someone has died.

 

[Mr Fossil]

I assume they did the same as they always do in these matters. I wonder whether all their decisions will need to be sent back to them for them to review. I gather this the same board who found him eligible in June, or have I misunderstood?

It appears to be a different Board:

However section 77(1) of the Correctional Services Act enables him to refer matters to the Correctional Supervision and Parole Review Board (CSPRB) for a review of the decision of the CSPB.

 

[cottonweaver]

Official release doesn't state when the Parole Review Board will meet to choose the date of release - obviously it might only be a short while off?

So it was a mistake that no-one in correctional services noticed !!!!!!OR he received special treatment in June when he should not have been eligible for consideration at the June board.
Women's group petition simply served as a catalyst for the Minister to check the admin of the release, says Minister?
Clumsy political interference?

Shambolic & embarassing either way. As Dadic says " Imagine what the international press are making of this"

 

[cottonweaver]

Think he might be hitting the gym Friday night then !


Blade Runner' Oscar Pistorius Got Special Treatment in Prison: Inmate Says Aug 19th

"Nicknamed the "Blade Runner," Pistorius was reportedly so worried he would be poisoned while in prison that he lived on canned sardines and baked beans.

"Pistorius, he was a VIP prisoner," Boswell Mhlongo, a fellow inmate at the maximum-security Kgosi Mapuru II in Pretoria, told NBC News. "I mean everything was free for him. He can do whatever he wants."

Mhlongo added: "How can you get your own gym, your own gym alone? Why the cell that we're in — we were never given curtains — but his cell was prepared special? Because he's got money. I mean it's Oscar Pistorius.""

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pi...s-got-special-treatment-prison-inmate-n412191

 

[GR_Turner]

It appears to be a different Board:

However section 77(1) of the Correctional Services Act enables him to refer matters to the Correctional Supervision and Parole Review Board (CSPRB) for a review of the decision of the CSPB.

Well what a up. I wonder now whether this new board will decide he shouldn't be released in order to satisfy public opinion? Because there's never been any special treatment either positive or negative in the conduct of this case.

 

[cottonweaver]

Reuters Africa
#OscarPistorius' family say "shocked and disappointed" the athlete will not "be home" on Friday.


Can't imagine the P family will be coming out all guns blazing on this delay , mindful of the imminent Appeal and remembering OP's previous comment : " I'll Pis* on Zuma"

 

[cottonweaver]

Whatever is behind this it is significant that it has come out on Reeva's birthday even though it is not the "victory' that supporters of justice for the victim would want. Further confirmation of incompetence is definitely not helpful either.

Another embarassing episode in this charade.

 

[GR_Turner]

Whatever is behind this it is significant that it has come out on Reeva's birthday even though it is not the "victory' that supporters of justice for the victim would want. Further confirmation of incompetence is definitely not helpful either.

Another embarassing episode in this charade.

Why is it relevant that this happened on Reeva's birthday?

 

[soozieqtips]

Do you mean the members aren't interested in justice for accused as well as victim?

Perhaps you should read the actual words I wrote instead of putting your own biased slant on them. Twisting things doesn't help your cause.

 

[soozieqtips]

So he was considered for release before he was even eligible to be considered for release.

Hmm.

 

[Mr Fossil]

Justice Masutha speaking to 702's Xolani Gwala (9m10s)

http://www.702.co.za/articles/4663/women-s-movement-petition-puts-oscar-pistorius-parole-on-hold