Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #64 ~ the appeal~

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  • #841
Burgess said Pistorius had been receiving regular psychotherapy from his own psychologists and those at the prison, as well as from a social worker whose reports formed part of the parole decision process.
....what for ? I find that very questionable for someone who supposedly shot an intruder by mistake....more like someone who has major problems......or is he finally starting to crack, the idea of another fifthteen years on top a little bit too much to take onboard ?
 
  • #842
I have seen the information. I have seen stories about high pressure situations where it has been claimed that he lost his temper. Like when he thought he had been robbed of a race in the Olympics. Is that the kicking off over nothing you had in mind?

Where's the proof rather than the media stories?
There is plenty of information out there of him flying off the handle over the smallest things. Some of that proof came from a dead person's texts. That would be Reeva, the woman he shot dead? Are Reeva's own words just 'media stories' to you as well? Or how about Sam Taylor claiming he had a foul temper and would scream at her as well as her friends? I know you'll probably dismiss her words as those of a bitter woman - but I'm interested to know how you'll dismiss Reeva's words. If you're going to excuse every instance of OP's known temper issues, then there is nothing more to add.
 
  • #843
There is plenty of information out there of him flying off the handle over the smallest things. Some of that proof came from a dead person's texts. That would be Reeva, the woman he shot dead? Are Reeva's own words just 'media stories' to you as well? Or how about Sam Taylor claiming he had a foul temper and would scream at her as well as her friends? I know you'll probably dismiss her words as those of a bitter woman - but I'm interested to know how you'll dismiss Reeva's words. If you're going to excuse every instance of OP's known temper issues, then there is nothing more to add.

Yep, there are those instances and also the roommate at the Olympics who asked to swap rooms because Pistorius was always shouting at people on the phone. Or was he screaming? Either way, another example of Pistorius flying off the handle that will no doubt be dismissed or downplayed by his supporters. Strange how every negative report on OP is dismissed and every proven example of bad behaviour is explained away.

As for the lying, beyond the good advice of watching his cross examination, there are the Tasha's and 'shot at on the highway incidents', both obvious lies. The ammo belonging to his dad looks like another untruth given his own father left him facing a guilty verdict on that by not confirming Pistorius' version. So unless aftermath wants to be pedantically literal and say he/she is referring to lies about the actual killing, there's a few more lies to add to the list.
 
  • #844
There is plenty of information out there of him flying off the handle over the smallest things. Some of that proof came from a dead person's texts. That would be Reeva, the woman he shot dead? Are Reeva's own words just 'media stories' to you as well? Or how about Sam Taylor claiming he had a foul temper and would scream at her as well as her friends? I know you'll probably dismiss her words as those of a bitter woman - but I'm interested to know how you'll dismiss Reeva's words. If you're going to excuse every instance of OP's known temper issues, then there is nothing more to add.

I am sure you, and most of us, will remember the judge telling Uncle A to keep OP out of trouble or it would not be good for him. This was after his last fracas at the nightclub. I don't remember her exact words and I don't have the time to find and listen to it again. I, too, find it odd that some people can dismiss these episodes. I feel that unless they were there to witness these temper tantrums, in their mind they don't exist.
 
  • #845
Yep, there are those instances and also the roommate at the Olympics who asked to swap rooms because Pistorius was always shouting at people on the phone. Or was he screaming? Either way, another example of Pistorius flying off the handle that will no doubt be dismissed or downplayed by his supporters. Strange how every negative report on OP is dismissed and every proven example of bad behaviour is explained away.

As for the lying, beyond the good advice of watching his cross examination, there are the Tasha's and 'shot at on the highway incidents', both obvious lies. The ammo belonging to his dad looks like another untruth given his own father left him facing a guilty verdict on that by not confirming Pistorius' version. So unless aftermath wants to be pedantically literal and say he/she is referring to lies about the actual killing, there's a few more lies to add to the list.
Yes. There's so much stuff out there about his unpredictable temper that I couldn't be bothered to hunt it all out. When posters ask 'where's the proof' and expect others to do the searching for them, it gets a bit tiresome. Some people will excuse every single instance of OP's loss of control by either saying it's just 'media stories' or by offering some lame reason for his loss of temper. Either way, they won't accept OP was ever in the wrong!

BIB - The room change incident:

South African journalist and radio presenter David O'Sullivan chatted to Arnu Fourie at the London games. "He told me he had been forced to move out, because Oscar was constantly screaming in anger at people on the phone. I thought Fourie was joking and waited for him to smile. But he was serious. I was taken aback. I had never thought of Oscar behaving like that"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/oscar-pistorius-live-trial-coverage-1-july

Of course, OP supporters will brush that under the carpet along with all the other evidence of OP's foul temper. But it doesn't change what most can see - that OP was a loose canon with a short fuse who thought he was more important than anyone else and demanded to be treated as such. It's pretty obvious that his family allowed him to go unchecked and thus enabled (and excused) his unacceptable behaviour. OP supporters pretty much do the same thing. At the end of it all, Reeva is dead, and she might not have been if OP had been held to account a long time ago.
 
  • #846
I am sure you, and most of us, will remember the judge telling Uncle A to keep OP out of trouble or it would not be good for him. This was after his last fracas at the nightclub. I don't remember her exact words and I don't have the time to find and listen to it again. I, too, find it odd that some people can dismiss these episodes. I feel that unless they were there to witness these temper tantrums, in their mind they don't exist.
Exactly!

I also remember Masipa telling Uncle A to make sure OP kept out of trouble. Didn't some of us question why she was passing the buck to Uncle A as if OP was a child who couldn't be trusted to stay out of trouble on his own?
 
  • #847
Yes. There's so much stuff out there about his unpredictable temper that I couldn't be bothered to hunt it all out. When posters ask 'where's the proof' and expect others to do the searching for them, it gets a bit tiresome. Some people will excuse every single instance of OP's loss of control by either saying it's just 'media stories' or by offering some lame reason for his loss of temper. Either way, they won't accept OP was ever in the wrong!

BIB - The room change incident:

South African journalist and radio presenter David O'Sullivan chatted to Arnu Fourie at the London games. "He told me he had been forced to move out, because Oscar was constantly screaming in anger at people on the phone. I thought Fourie was joking and waited for him to smile. But he was serious. I was taken aback. I had never thought of Oscar behaving like that"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/oscar-pistorius-live-trial-coverage-1-july

Of course, OP supporters will brush that under the carpet along with all the other evidence of OP's foul temper. But it doesn't change what most can see - that OP was a loose canon with a short fuse who thought he was more important than anyone else and demanded to be treated as such. It's pretty obvious that his family allowed him to go unchecked and thus enabled (and excused) his unacceptable behaviour. OP supporters pretty much do the same thing. At the end of it all, Reeva is dead, and she might not have been if OP had been held to account a long time ago.

Who has posted on here that he wasn't in the wrong?! Of course he was in the wrong. It's the intent (or lack of) behind that wrong that we seem to disagree about.
 
  • #848
Just watch OP's testimony, the cross examination part - if that is not proof enough to someone that he lied about the circumstances leading to her death, I am afraid nothing ever will constitute a proof.

I watched his testimony and cross exam. There are certainly areas where I feel he may well have lied eg Tasha's, the Fresco car thing, being shot at in the car, etc. However when it comes to the shooting of Reeva, I don't think there were obvious or proven lies about the circumstances of her death.

We are unlikely to agree on this, I can see that. But even if you were right and he had lied about everything that night, I still don't see why that would mean that it is more likely that he would demand a new bed, bath and gym equipment for no other reason than that he was spoilt, than for other valid reasons.
 
  • #849
Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman
#OscarPistorius still no word from Correctional Services on the athlete’s fate - will he be released under correctional supervision? BB
#OscarPistorius the parole board was scheduled to consider his application today, after postponing the matter last week. BB
#OscarPistorius a dozen or so journalists have gathered here at the prison. Thankfully the heatwave is over. BB
 
  • #850
What was it Judge Greenland and others said?

Consideration at parole review at 1/6th is a right. Parole release itself is a privilege?
 
  • #851
SABC News Online ‏@SABCNewsOnline
News Just In: #OscarPistorius to be released on correctional supervision. More details to follow

AlgoaFMNews ‏@AlgoaFMNews
BREAKING: #OscarPistorius to be released on correctional supervision on Tuesday 20 October 2015

eNCA ‏@eNCA
BREAKING NEWS: Oscar Pistorius to be released on 20th October 2015 >> http://ebx.sh/1OxbxSG #OscarPistorius

Chriselda Lewis ‏@Chriseldalewis
#OscarPistorius BREAKING: Steenkamp lawyer Tania Koen says correctional services told her the news shortly. #sabcnews

Pistorius to be moved to house arrest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34540694

Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Report of #OscarPistorius being released on 20 October came before parole board actually met to announce decision. No official confirmation
#OscarPistorius lawyers not aware of alleged 20 October release date. They expected parole board decision at 2:30pm.
Currently no official confirmation of #OscarPistorius parole date. His family also know nothing of it.
Steenkamp family lawyer has confirmed that #OscarPistorius will be released on 20 October.
It now seems that everyone - except #OscarPistorius, his lawyers and family - informed of 20 October parole date before it was announced.
 
  • #852
Mandy Wiener ‏@MandyWiener
Correctional Services officially confirms that #OscarPistorius to be released under correctional supervision on Tuesday.

“Upon careful consideration of the facts placed before the Parole Board as contained in the G326 (Profile Report) submitted by the Case Management Committee in terms of Section 42 (2)/* 79 of the Correctional Services Act of 1998, the Parole Board decided to place Mr. Oscar Pistorius under correctional supervision as from 2015/10/20 until 2019/10/20.”

“The Parole Board has also given the offender his correctional supervision conditions which include the directives of the Parole Review Board in respect of continued psychotherapy and prohibitions in line with the Fire Arms Control Act Section 103,” the department said in a statement.

Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
#OscarPistorius informed that he'd been granted parole at 2pm. Correctional services needs two working days to process his release.
Parole board deliberated for three hours before reaching decision to release #OscarPistorius

http://ewn.co.za/2015/10/15/Lawyer-says-Pistorius-to-be-released-on-parole-on-20-October
 
  • #853
David Dadic ‏@DavidDadic · 20m20 minutes ago
He might be out, but I think we're far from done.

David Dadic ‏@DavidDadic · 17m17 minutes ago
If the State appeal is successful & he gets say 10 years,do you think he'd really leave it at that? He would've appealed the 1st time if

David Dadic ‏@DavidDadic · 15m15 minutes ago
he didn't get such a favorable outcome. He'll, should it go against him, no doubt take it further. Const. court if necessary. We're not done.
 
  • #854
Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Correctional Services Minister won't intervene in parole board decision to release #OscarPistorius, his spokesman says.
 
  • #855
I feel a little bit sick at the thought that he'll be out of jail in a few days. As Dadic says, even if the upcoming appeal is successful and he ends up being given a longer sentence, he'll probably be able to stay under house arrest while he appeals the SCA's decision.
 
  • #856
I feel a little bit sick at the thought that he'll be out of jail in a few days. As Dadic says, even if the upcoming appeal is successful and he ends up being given a longer sentence, he'll probably be able to stay under house arrest while he appeals the SCA's decision.
And who knows how long that will take! I wonder if someone from correctional services is obligated to check the house first, make sure there's no gun access, etc? How will they monitor the no alcohol condition? I don't see how anyone can successfully monitor all the terms of his house arrest.
 
  • #857
There is a grave risk, if he is seen out enjoying himself, that somebody will take the law into their own hands. I wonder if he realises that? I can see him attempting to escape house arrest, somehow, and can picture him carrying a gun, illegally. He will get into trouble again; it is the nature of the boy.
 
  • #858
Laura Lee @Lauralee_63
@barrybateman House arrest means?

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman
He gets to chill in a plush mansion and play X-box all day. ;)

Lois Pistorius ‏@loispistorius
@barrybateman in real life , it's a life sentence
 
  • #859
His life is going to suck. No more high profile red carpet walks. No more high end VIP private parties. No more adoring fans crowding around him. He will be miserable, imo.
 
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