Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #64 ~ the appeal~

[Deleted member 102539]

His life is going to suck. No more high profile red carpet walks. No more high end VIP private parties. No more adoring fans crowding around him. He will be miserable, imo.

Pistorius family may claim, OP has to renounce more than any other offenders under house arrest. :tears:

 

[Colin de France]

His life is going to suck. No more high profile red carpet walks. No more high end VIP private parties. No more adoring fans crowding around him. He will be miserable, imo.

....at least he can write his book in peace .....

 

[Deleted member 102539]

KILLER Instinct: The Trials & Tales of Murderous Sports Stars

JamesButtler ‏@James_Buttler 15 Min.Vor 15 Minuten
Oscar Pistorius to be released next week. He is one of my 29 killers.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Steenkamp's parents say Pistorius killed their daughter on purpose and have previously contested any parole.

Pistorius's family had accused officials of bowing to 'political and media hype' in denying him parole.

- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...-released-next-week.html#sthash.FOgTeRQ4.dpuf



EWN Reporter ‏@ewnreporter 6 Std.Vor 6 Stunden Übersetzung anzeigen
#OscarPistorius Steenkamp lawyer: They are not surprised at all. They expected this would happen again.

 

[soozieqtips]

Oscar Pistorius is going home. Reeeva Steenkamp is not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...us-is-going-home.-Reeva-Steenkamp-is-not.html

 

[Giles]

Lawyer Ulrich Roux gives analysis on Oscar Pistorius being granted parole and the upcoming appeal. (6 minute video)

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/oscar-condemned-house-arrest-rest-sentence

 

[Fuskier]

Thanks to the Women's League petition, there is now recognition of irregularities in the South African parole process and questioning 'How many other prisoners are released without ever going through the SA Parole Review board?' which ensure that the prisoner is fit for release,sets the parole conditions and ensures the parolee is supervised by a parole officer under the Department of Correctional Services. Sounds workable in theory, however, where there is money there is the possibility for manipulation and corruption ... My opinion only.

 

[JudgeJudi]

There is a grave risk, if he is seen out enjoying himself, that somebody will take the law into their own hands. I wonder if he realises that? I can see him attempting to escape house arrest, somehow, and can picture him carrying a gun, illegally. He will get into trouble again; it is the nature of the boy.

David Dadic said OP would have some freedom although he could not come and go as he pleased.
"His movements will be controlled and there is certainly monitoring, but in that light he will be integrated back into the community, gradually he will be invited to get employment of some sort; he will be invited to do communal services, [and] he will he will take up, I suppose, treatment of some sort. It's hard to say what his subjective terms will be. They look at it independently through the application process and decide what suits the convict."

He will not be able to enjoy lunch out with his friends or even holidays.

Mannie Witz said he would be heavily monitored in the form of phone calls and spot checks at the house. "If anyone is going to be monitored, it's him," he said.

If he breaches the conditions of his correctional supervision he’ll be given 3 written warnings and after a third warning he’ll be taken back to prison.

Dadic said training was a questionable area and he didn’t think it could be argued that it was part of his job as a professional athlete.

"I don't know if he can say he's gainfully employed. I don't see it falling in the employment category. Training is not gainfully employed. That doesn't fall in that category. Whether he can ask to train for the sake of his legs and exercise, that seems viable. Exercise is part of a person's integration and well being. He comes from an exercise oriented background". He feels OP may be allowed to train a few days or hours a week.

Witz said OP would probably need to get special permission, but he would not be allowed to compete in events or travel.

“They can't forbid him from being a professional athlete. But if he is training he will have to get special permission. You don't get extra leisure time to go train." However, he doubted if OP could still be considered a professional athlete as he was not getting paid, nor did he have any sponsors.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Will-Oscars-house-arrest-be-a-walk-in-the-park-20150609

From what I’ve read previously, he’ll be allowed to attend church, will be allowed few visitors, who will have to be approved by the court, and someone will have to shop for him under strict parole conditions. I don’t think we’ll see him socialising for the next 4 years, but on the other hand ...

 

[JudgeJudi]

Violet Ngobeni, an employee of the independent judicial inspectorate of prisons, visited OP frequently during the past ten months

During her last visit, earlier this week, she said he was looking forward to his release into house arrest at his uncle’s palatial home in the suburb of Waterkloof.

"He just talked about: ‘I miss my family, I need to spend more time with my family, just to go out and see my friends’,” she told CNN.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...w-bed-and-bath-in-prison-in-South-Africa.html

This seems to directly contradict my previous post. However “special” people get special treatment, and as his parole conditions have not been (and possibly may not be) released to the public, who’s to know what his conditions are. However there will be no shortage of members of the public who photograph him at every opportunity and they’re not going to disappear any time soon.

The family meanwhile have decried the fact that he’s been singled out for special treatment. However special treatment is just peachy if it means extra privileges that the ordinary prisoner can’t avail himself of. No complaints from them then. Compare killer OP's prison luxuries of his own cell with private bath and toilet, a different bed to others, special gym equipment, and the opportunity to cook his own food with the plight of 50-year-old Ronnie Fakude, a paraplegic who, at the commencement of OP’s trial, had been waiting in prison for 15 months facing fraud charges. Until public outrage and donations from people around the world, he shared a cell designed for 32 with 87 other men, had to wear nappies brought in by his family, and was forced to drag himself around on crutches without the use of a wheelchair.

In addition to the above, Fakude contracted TB while in Joburg prison, has a compromised lung and is prone to infections. He needs a special diet but has to put up with the same as everyone else. He has one kidney, can’t exercise or get physiotherapy.

The hypocrisy of the Pistorius family is stomach-churning.

 

[Mr Fossil]

Why Oscar Pistorius' case was treated differently

Correctional services has confirmed Oscar Pistorius will be released under correctional supervision on Tuesday, 20 October 2015, one day short of serving exactly a year in prison.

Criminal Law expert, William Booth chats to 702's John Robbie about the parole conditions and whether the parole will have any bearing on the pending appeal case

http://www.702.co.za/articles/5851/oscar-pistorius-released

 

[soozieqtips]

So he can break the terms of his house arrest three times before being given a written warning? What does this mean, exactly? Can he handle a gun once, get drunk once, go to a party once and get away with it? I'm sure Reeva's family will just love that. With a crime as serious as the one OP committed, he shouldn't get three flipping chances to flout the conditions of his house arrest. Mess up once, go back to prison. Simple.

 

[JudgeJudi]

So he can break the terms of his house arrest three times before being given a written warning? What does this mean, exactly? Can he handle a gun once, get drunk once, go to a party once and get away with it? I'm sure Reeva's family will just love that. With a crime as serious as the one OP committed, he shouldn't get three flipping chances to flout the conditions of his house arrest. Mess up once, go back to prison. Simple.

Hi Soozie,

If he breaks one of his conditions he'll be given a written warning. After he's had 3 written warnings it's back to prison. However, I would imagine (but don't know) that it would depend on the seriousness of his offence. I honestly can't imagine anything to do with firearms being treated the same as getting drunk. By the same token, I can't see him going without alcohol for 4 years. It's all going to come down to how closely they monitor him. What they say and what they do are two different things.

I've heard that the conditions may be relaxed after some time. Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means, but the sooner they are, the faster he'll get into trouble.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.dcs.gov.za/Services/CommunityCorrections.aspx

-COMMUNITY SERVICE

Community service is a free service to the community which a probationer may be ordered by the court to perform for a fixed number of hours at a community service institution such as a hospital, school, old age home, nature conservation projects or any other suitable institution. It is required of the probationer to render such service in his/her spare time. Community service must be of such a nature that it is to the advantage of the broader community.

bbm= ... hopefully not in Mozambique ...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

JudgeJudi #868

Mannie Witz said he would be heavily monitored in the form of phone calls and spot checks at the house. "If anyone is going to be monitored, it's him," he said.

I think, that would be the first Uncle A will try to inhibit in the very known form.

 

[lithgow1]

JudgeJudi #868



I think, that would be the first Uncle A will try to inhibit in the very known form.

Yes, it will probably be along the lines of 'I can vouch for Oscar's behaving himself so you don't need to check on him'. Rather like the move to remove the no alcohol provision on his bail at the same time as claiming he didn't drink alcohol.

Was pleased to see that Ulrich Roux reckons the appeal has a good chance of succeeding. Hope he is right. I would also hope that if it does, the family properties in Mozambique would be a good reason to take him back into custody while any further appeals make their way through the system. Fat chance I am sure, but where there's hope ....

 

[Interested Bystander]

http://www.dcs.gov.za/Services/CommunityCorrections.aspx

-COMMUNITY SERVICE

Community service is a free service to the community which a probationer may be ordered by the court to perform for a fixed number of hours at a community service institution such as a hospital, school, old age home, nature conservation projects or any other suitable institution. It is required of the probationer to render such service in his/her spare time. Community service must be of such a nature that it is to the advantage of the broader community.

bbm= ... hopefully not in Mozambique ...

I read somewhere this week that he could also work in a hospital or a mortuary. I hope he does his service in a mortuary. It will remind him of his evil deeds.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Yes, it will probably be along the lines of 'I can vouch for Oscar's behaving himself so you don't need to check on him'. Rather like the move to remove the no alcohol provision on his bail at the same time as claiming he didn't drink alcohol.

Was pleased to see that Ulrich Roux reckons the appeal has a good chance of succeeding. Hope he is right. I would also hope that if it does, the family properties in Mozambique would be a good reason to take him back into custody while any further appeals make their way through the system. Fat chance I am sure, but where there's hope ....

BIB ​Me too!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.sabreakingnews.co.za/2015/10/15/twitter-reacts-to-oscar-pistorius/

Twitter reacts to Oscar Pistorius

Many compared the Olympian to the notorious OJ Simpson.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Psychologist Dr Lore Hartzenberg said she asked OP in one of her consultations with him what he’d like to do in the future. He replied that he wants to teach poor children at his uncle's school in rural Mozambique when "all this is over".

"… I said one day when all this is over, how would you like to live? He said to me that his uncle had a school in Mozambique and nothing would make him happier than to go work with the children in that rural school”.

The conditions of his release from prison won’t allow him to leave SA. Working for members of the family wouldn’t constitute community service so it will be interesting to see what sort of work offers come his way. I’m sure Uncle Arnold will be calling in favours in this regard if he’s given the chance but I’d like to think Correctional Services choose something they consider appropriate, not the family.

http://www.ann7.com/article/19883-1...bique-when-all-this-is-over.html#.ViD8Obm4Y4k

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ar-pistorius-punishment-sentences?CMP=soc_568

Oscar Pistorius’s brief punishment sends a dangerous message

Because we don’t place a high enough value on women’s lives, we reinforce the entitlement men feel to act on the variety of reasons often used to justify violence and abuse: drink, drugs, peer pressure, having more money than sense, being young, feeling jealous, wanting their right to see their kids, what their victim was wearing, doing or saying.

http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/oscar...edium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it#.ViET3_ntmko

With jailed paralympian Oscar Pistorius’s imminent release, the Progressive Women’s Movement of SA (PWMSA), which was instrumental in getting his first parole blocked, has voiced its disappointment over his release.

Convener of the PWMSA Jacqui Mofokeng told The Star on Friday morning that his sentence of five years was not enough and only serving 11 months was a travesty. “We respect the rule of law but it does not mean we are happy about this decision.”

She said the PWMSA was looking forward to November 3, when the State would ask the Supreme Court of Appeal to set aside Pistorius’s conviction on culpable homicide. “We will be there and we won’t be quiet… his happiness will be short-lived.”