Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #65~ the appeal~

[Giles]

Roux and Webber looking panicked...

 

[atthelake]

Someone needs to tell him...You are on live feed speaker.. !

 

[sleuth-d-]

Roux almost as evasive as op was in the witness box

 

[soozieqtips]

The mic's been left on.

 

[soozieqtips]

Well, wow. First time I've seen Roux less than confident. Was he not expecting some of these questions?

 

[atthelake]

What happened???
No blog, no TV?
Hearing voice but don't know from whom. TV man, some problems with technic?

15 minute break

 

[lithgow1]

hi all. Just started watching. Caught the end of Nel and now Roux. Must say, thus far i think it is going well for the state in terms of the application of DE going by the judges few questions to Roux. As David Dadic says, `Oscar's tummy just fell, listening to this-. BTW, if anyone needs a live feed, this Guardian one is working well. Plus they have left the mics on in this break, which is always fun wondering what they might say when they are unawares.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...ius-appeal-state-seeks-murder-conviction-live

 

[soozieqtips]

What happened???
No blog, no TV?
Hearing voice but don't know from whom. TV man, some problems with technic?

They've adjourned for 15mins FG. The mic was obviously left on but it's off now.

 

[lithgow1]

And Dadic just tweeted this:

Not sure it's just me, but it seems we have eventually had questions from the bench that need to be asked of what happened on that night

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Time: 11:7
The court adjourns for a 15 min tea break.

Time: 11:6
Judge Leach is also questioning Roux now and asks him for the dimensions of the toilet cubicle. Judge quizzes the size of the cubicle and how it is important to the chances of survival of person in it. Roux battling in the SCA. In fact, both the State and defence have had a tough time in Bloemfontein. The judges are very clued up with case law and have asked both sides some tough questions.

 

[Val1]

Well, wow. First time I've seen Roux less than confident. Was he not expecting some of these questions?

I'd like to know when it became common cause that the shots were first.... according to Roux.

 

[cottonweaver]

missed 5 mins of start of Roux

Roux: It's not true to say Masipa ignored/fragmented approach evidence. Let's look at the screams
Leech interjects
Roux: state needed to make Q of law out of factual findings
Majedt: You yourself ignored Mangena evidence. Its back to Magmoed principles
Roux: Yes mangena was important but he eliminated the states case that he was on his legs, Mangena showed they were wrong as he was actually on his stumps (FFS!)
Majedt: I'll tell u why its important ( getting bit louder!) forget about stumps and DD
Majedt: bearing in mind the accused is familiar with firearms and he also uses lethal ammo/great “damage to bodily tissues” – that is his knowledge
Roux: But we have to consider what OP was thinking. I concede that in my heads I did not deal with this extensively – foresight about lethality
Leech; there was a reconstruction of the cubicle. In the record with the photos there are no dimensions
Roux : yes its relatively small
Leech :no its not “relatively”,there is no room for anyone to hide, wall provided no cover
Roux: No thats not true, if they hid behind wall, they were covered
Leech: No,l ook at rod trajectories in photo from taken above, nowhere to hide
roux: There is a wall , they would have been safe
Mpati ; Well Masipa said there was no room to manoeuvre isn't that true and a factual finding?
Roux : Ermm, er well yes but
Leech: No there is no room , it would be a miracle if u didnt die in that toilet.
Roux : I saw this photograph you are referring to
Leech: I'm sure you did ! ( pointedly)
( Oscar at home is choking on croissant!)

Baartman: he knew someone was behind the door
Roux : Ok I will accept you might injure and possibly kill someone But will this actually make a diff to the legal points here?
Leech : you didn't expand on this point in ur Heads, that someone was likely to die in that position/context
Roux : Conceding now. Let's go back to fragmented approach argument

mpati – 15 min break
The technicians need to move those microphones now . Ha.


NB Not verbatim, paraphrased

 

[soozieqtips]

And Dadic just tweeted this:

Not sure it's just me, but it seems we have eventually had questions from the bench that need to be asked of what happened on that night

Exactly. Masipa didn't concern herself with much of that, so it's good that the new judges are asking the right questions. Roux isn't happy with it though.

 

[soozieqtips]

The court said on two occasions that Pistorius could not have foreseen that he would shoot Steenkamp because he thought she was in the bedroom.

Judge Leach says this is a misapplication of dolus eventualis – the issue of whether it was Steenkamp in the cubicle is wrong.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...ius-appeal-state-seeks-murder-conviction-live

 

[atthelake]

Guardian.com

 

[Sherbert]

I suspect from their attitude that the SCA would have been open to directus.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 2 Min.Vor 2 Minuten
#OscarPistorius appeal resumes after tea. BB

 

[JudgeJudi]

Is this being shown live? Thank you

[video=youtube;P2j0epnX4yo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2j0epnX4yo[/video]

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Where does Zwiebel have her breakfast today???

 

[lithgow1]

I like the Honourable Mr Leach!