Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #68 *Appeal Verdict*

[LemonMousse]

Telling them to get out of his home (twice) and giving them time to do so is different than charging down the hallway screaming.

He did both.

That's how he explained all the terrible screams coming from his house..it was him.

Have you not followed the trial?

 

[Noisy Fan]

He did both.

That's how he explained all the terrible screams coming from his house..it was him.

Have you not followed the trial?

Followed the trial every day ... you?

 

[aftermath]

No. He could have spoken to Reeva while fetching the gun then covered himself in the bedroom. Once he has the gun he acheives nothing by going to the bathroom...nothing.

Yes...he could have done that. That is one of a myriad of possible variations of actions open to him that evening.

 

[LemonMousse]

Even on his version he didn't charge kamikaze style down the corridor! is it close to impossible that someone would choose to investigate a sound that he thought was the window opening?

Re the wood moving: maybe he wasn't screaming at that moment?

He testified that he was.

You are making things up on his behalf. Can you not see that you have to do this because his story, as it stands, makes no sense.

No - you're right. No kamikaze charging...he made his way quietly and carefully down the passageway.....screaming his head off.

Go listen to his testimony again.

 

[Tortoise]

Even on his version he didn't charge kamikaze style down the corridor! is it close to impossible that someone would choose to investigate a sound that he thought was the window opening?

Re the wood moving: maybe he wasn't screaming at that moment?

Yes, if they're leaving themselves with no means of escape of course it is!! Unless he was suicidal and not bothered if they killed him first and then Reeva afterwards.

Those previous occasions where he investigated noises I'll bet he was wearing his prostheses and not leaving himself no means of escape.

 

[aftermath]

He didn't Have to go anywhere near the bathroom! As Nel said he could have taken cover in the bedroom down behind the bed and used his gun to cover the passageway.

But anyway. My point is more - do big, bad dangerous intruders who mean to harm you hide?

I don't know. Are there big, bad, dangerous intruder rules on behaviour?

 

[Noisy Fan]

Yes, if they're leaving themselves with no means of escape of course it is!! Unless he was suicidal and not bothered if they killed him first and then Reeva afterwards.

Those previous occasions where he investigated noises I'll bet he was wearing his prostheses and not leaving himself no means of escape.

Door was locked and blocked with the cricket bat. Sound of intruders was 3 seconds away. He did what I would have done and that would be to place myself between Reeva and the threat. Hindsight is always 20/20 friend.

 

[LemonMousse]

Followed the trial every day ... you?

Yes. Every day.

That's how I know that he testified to walking up the corridor screaming...as well as shouting "get out" etc.

This was a major part of his testimony because it explained all the "terrible, terrible" female screams coming from his house...it was him, carefully making his way to confront an intruder.

How did you manage to miss that bit?

 

[aftermath]

He testified that he was.

You are making things up on his behalf. Can you not see that you have to do this because his story, as it stands, makes no sense.

No - you're right. No kamikaze charging...he made his way quietly and carefully down the passageway.....screaming his head off.

Go listen to his testimony again.

I don't need to. Perhaps try rephrasing your original question without the reference to 'kamikase charging', which you have now agreed he didn't say afterall.

 

[LemonMousse]

I don't know. Are there big, bad, dangerous intruder rules on behaviour?

Erm, I would hazard a guess that the reason people are scared of intruders in SA is because they are usually armed and don't hide in toilets!

Which makes Pistorius's actions so completely and enormously unlikely.

 

[Noisy Fan]

Yes. Every day.

That's how I know that he testified to walking up the corridor screaming...as well as shouting "get out" etc.

This was a major part of his testimony because it explained all the "terrible, terrible" female screams coming from his house...it was him, carefully making his way to confront an intruder.

How did you manage to miss that bit?

Sorry you are wrong. There is a chronology to what he did. The screams of anguish and anger at himself along with calls for help occurred after he realized that it could have been Reeva in the toilet.

 

[LemonMousse]

I don't need to. Perhaps try rephrasing your original question without the reference to 'kamikase charging', which you have now agreed he didn't say afterall.

Oh, please.

I never said he said "kamikaze" and you know it.

He SAID he walked carefully up the passage screaming his head off....all the while thinking there were armed intruders round the corner.

It's OK if you can't explain that. No one can......because it did not happen.

Is your favourite book Of Mice & Men, by the way? There's something distressingly familiar about your "arguments".

 

[LemonMousse]

Sorry you are wrong. There is a chronology to what he did. The screams of anguish and anger at himself along with calls for help occurred after he realized that it could have been Reeva in the toilet.

No. You are wrong. Amusingly so.

Go listen to his testimony again.

 

[soozieqtips]

Sorry you are wrong. There is a chronology to what he did. The screams of anguish and anger at himself along with calls for help occurred after he realized that it could have been Reeva in the toilet.

Do you have a logical explanation as to why his first call was to a friend with no medical qualifications rather than the emergency services? A logical reason as to why he would delay getting urgent medical help for his 'beloved' Reeva?

 

[aftermath]

Erm, I would hazard a guess that the reason people are scared of intruders in SA is because they are usually armed and don't hide in toilets!

Which makes Pistorius's actions so completely and enormously unlikely.

P7 of the big bad dangerous intruder's handbook: ' in the event you have broken into a bathroom and have disturbed the homeowner, one option is to temporarily hide your presence eg behind a cubicle door, in the hope that the disturbed homeowner, drowsy from sleep is just doing a cursory check over the rooms nearby. If however the homeowner gets too close and you risk being discovered, you can come out. guns blazing, with the benefit of the of surprise '

 

[Tortoise]

Door was locked and blocked with the cricket bat. Sound of intruders was 3 seconds away. He did what I would have done and that would be to place myself between Reeva and the threat. Hindsight is always 20/20 friend.

Now you are sounding desperate - locked and blocked eh? you try to make it sound like a 5 minute operation there to pull the bat out and turn the key! I can assure you that with a gun trained on the passage he was safer and Reeva was safer than him going on a suicide mission on his stumps. What a cliche about hindsight - he wasn't mentally disabled, just physically.

Bib ~I don't believe you, it's just empty words on a forum to bolster an argument, a bad argument at that.

 

[aftermath]

Oh, please.

I never said he said "kamikaze" and you know it.

He SAID he walked carefully up the passage screaming his head off....all the while thinking there were armed intruders round the corner.

It's OK if you can't explain that. No one can......because it did not happen.

Is your favourite book Of Mice & Men, by the way? There's something distressingly familiar about your "arguments".

No. My favourite book is 'A Discovery of Witches', but at times I am reminded of 'The Crucible' on here!

 

[LemonMousse]

P7 of the big bad dangerous intruder's handbook: ' in the event you have broken into a bathroom and have disturbed the homeowner, one option is to temporarily hide your presence eg behind a cubicle door, in the hope that the disturbed homeowner, drowsy from sleep is just doing a cursory check over the rooms nearby. If however the homeowner gets too close and you risk being discovered, you can come out. guns blazing, with the benefit of the of surprise '

Not funny or clever. Quite tediously irrelevant, actually, since there were no intruders. Just a terrified, screaming girlfriend.

 

[LemonMousse]

No. My favourite book is 'A Discovery of Witches', but at times I am reminded of 'The Crucible' on here!

Hmmm.

I find certain posts more reminiscent of Edward Lear's Book of Nonsense, personally.

 

[Noisy Fan]

Do you have a logical explanation as to why his first call was to a friend with no medical qualifications rather than the emergency services? A logical reason as to why he would delay getting urgent medical help for his 'beloved' Reeva?

Hi Soozie,

I thought hard on that one and the only thing I could think of was maybe he needed advice on what to do. Maybe he panicked (he did realize what he had done), maybe he was trying to get help to get her in the car to get her to the hospital quicker than an ambulance. I don't subscribe to the thought that he was soliciting help to get rid of a body although if there was evidence I would accept it.