P.I. Says He Videotaped Area Where Caylee Was Later Found #2

[bunnyphoenix1]

I don't know that George and Cindy felt they needed those pictures, according to DC they knew nothing about it until after the fact. KIO said some things in her statement that were damaging to Casey. Perhaps DC was trying to discredit her account of the area being a teen hangout. Or, perhaps on his own DC felt Casey was guilty and was curious about the area. I don't know what his reasoning was, but the idea that all these many people knew the body was there and didn't report it is totally absurd, IMO.

perhaps...but no more absurd than a mother with a missing child walking police to a non-existent office at universal.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Well, in that, I agree. But we can agree that the inordinate amount of interest in these woods by nearly everyone BUT the long arm of the law is worth noting, yes?

I agree and it seems LE and the SA does too. Do we know when the motion for a Master re his questioning is?

 

[shadow of my mind]

The remains were found at about what would be 8860 Suburban Drive. I don't know if that is a valid address for the wooded vacant lot, but if a house were built on the crime scene - it would have that address (or very close to that number).

Thank you,

The number is not in use as a street address but it gave me a starting point. Working now on finding the owners of the property/properties.

 

[pirate]

Thank you,

The number is not in use as a street address but it gave me a starting point. Working now on finding the owners of the property/properties.

I recall hearing on the news that the owner is out of state and that they were cooperative with LE and would have allowed the defense team to inspect the area as well.

Sorry I don't have a source but it was sometime between 12/11-12/19 and the local news I watch here is WESH.

 

[i.b.nora]

Thank you,

The number is not in use as a street address but it gave me a starting point. Working now on finding the owners of the property/properties.

http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap7/default.aspx?pin=302313129600700

This link is to the property at the corner of Hopespring and Suburban. You can navigate from there.

 

[shadow of my mind]

Thank you everyone. Found this after I figured out which propety is was and then who the owner is.

News 13 has learned that the owner of the property being searched is Thomas H. who has a post office box in Winter Park, but may not live in Florida

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/18/baez_criticizes_sheriff39s_search.html

Have not had time to find out much else. He actually ownes 2 parcels #13-23-30-1290-00-021 & #13-23-30-1290-00-002. Will do some more digging and see if anything looks hinky.

 

[cyberborg]

I read where he said that too.

So, why did he choose only THAT area (which just happened to be scattered with Caylee's bones) to investigate???

He didn't go investigate the cross & bead site or where Casey was seen with a shovel and her phone pinged or where Gale's cadaver dog alerted close to the Anthony home or where suspected Casey and Caylee clothes were found.

Considering that Baez is screaming Casey's being THERE is "work product" and "privileged", ummmmm....I think suspicion over why he was there is justified.

IMO

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[anastacia129]

So what is wrong with photographing an area? I would imagine that Casey has taken photographs of just about all the areas mentioned in this case. I'm sure he's taken photos of Fusian, of AL's apt, "Zani's" apt, Blanchard Park, every room in the Anthonys' house, has or has tried to get statements from every single person whose name was mentioned regarding this case and has talked to most of their neighbors. The reason they do this is because it is their job to do this. No attorney wants to be surprised with evidence he hasn't seen and every defense attorney will make an effort to get a statement from a potential witness to prepare a line of questioning.

You know, this is exactly why I despise the rumour mongerers and gossips who throw out ungrounded allegations and accusations against people who are doing their jobs. When you do something like that in a public venue, you are ruining careers and curtailing people from making their living. It is wrong, it is unethical and it is immoral to make public allegations for which you have no proof.

We may not have proof, but we can sure speculate til the cows come home! Ruining careers? seriously? Nothing odd or curious about the PI for the A camp videotaping an area where the remains were found, ok

I highly doubt the PI's are one bit worried about this "ruining" their business. Ever heard the phrase "no such thing as bad press" ? Everyone who has injected themselves into this cssae has done so knowing full well what kind of a spotlight would be put on them. I don't hear any of them complaining.

 

[cyberborg]

JB's actions are more telling than anything, aren't they?! While DC can say this isn't a "smoking gun" in the case...it does appear that it lit a fire under JB to start covering the defense team quickly. Maybe this should be our first clue because usually where there is smoke there is fire. We do know which direction that smoke is coming from, don't we?

ITA. The Defense strategy does seem to be burning down :burn: and JB just needs to surrender to the reality :HBwhiteflag: that KC needs to make a deal. :deal:

Deal or No Deal JB? KC is going to :behindbar

 

[Jolynna]

ITA He had a very good reason to be in the area.....he was reading meters & was sleuthing on his own. Could be a spot where he parked out of the way to use up time if he was fast at doing the job. I dated a MR & he would run to get done early...then hid out at home for the afternoon. A known practice among the MR's he worked with they all did it. What reasons would the PI's have for hanging out near the area where Caylee was found? I'm just not buying that it was to checkout Kio's tip from July....KC was home long enough to have spilled a partial truth.

KC probably talked endlessly with the PI's when they were driving her to & from JB's etc. Many of her friends have stated in thier interviews that the girl was a motormouth. I know the term motormouth quite well being I'm known as one too:crazy: I always say back "It's Better To Have Something To Say....Then To Have To Say Something." LP has said this too that his nephew & the FBG that she loved to talk.

I wish the press conference was today I want to know what JH is going to reveal about what he knows. He might just lie like the rest of the A team but they all slip with partial truths.

Even the distance the OCSD have on where Caylee was found is maybe a partial truth too! I'm begining to think is/was a slip of a bit of truth....Was something relavent found at the distance they reporting? :waitasec:Is that what led them to search the A's on the last day they were at where Caylee was found?

My suspicion is that JH is spilling what he knows to LE & has turned over what he has on video. He might have set out to befriend the A's to be able to sell his story later & it's backfiring on him too. He has a lot of explaining to do as to why DC & him weren't following the live sightings they had. He dosen't want any charges brought against him but is willing to throw everyone else under the bus.:bang: I hope this makes sense I'm still not feeling well & am waiting for a ride to the ER.....frozen necks HURT!!! AHHH!!! I'll apologize now for any loopy posts that I might post later when I get back. LOL

To the part I bolded...BINGO.

I bet you are right.

 

[Jolynna]

I agree but it gets confusing when it's not the subject of a thread. Everyone's input is valid that is why it is called sleuthing! :blowkiss: Many interesting threads there IMO too.
I am surprised as to how quiet JB has been with all of the talk of the PI's video & pics....HMMMM??? Something is up with that.....Monday & throughout Jan. will be explosive on all fronts. JH shoud just do his PR NOW!!! Element of surprise on JB & DC would be better then them knowing when the PR is. MOO

To the part I bolded...yep, I think something is up with that. It is LKB.

She is a GOOD lawyer and knows sometimes silence can be golden. Calling a lot of attention to an oopsy like your ex-investigators yacking to the media about taking pictures of the gravesite before the body is discovered...ummmmm

 

[shergal]

It's also possible that the county could have put the fence up if it is a thoroughfare where the fence would line the main road. The fence looks to me like something the city would have put up to keep the elementary kids and/or homeless people from going off the road into those wooded areas.

I remember reading on here somewhere that the owner of the land put up the fence because that land was going to be developed.

 

[Steely Dan]

ITA?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

perhaps...but no more absurd than a mother with a missing child walking police to a non-existent office at universal.

Or grandparents not knowing their grandchild's nanny who their daughter had known for 4 years. Or a mother not reporting a child missing for 31 days;or a grandmother not checking on her granddaughter when her daughter left in a rage with her and she had not talked to the baby in 31 days.

The Anthony apologists have to be making light of the desecration of that poor baby to even suggest this is absurd. There is NO EXCUSE for what this family has done and is still doing to dishonor this child.

What I see by all of this is the defense's barn is burning down board by board and they have no water to put it out.

 

[Bev]

Discussing why the PI was taking photos is one thing, but accusing him of covering up evidence is something that can get his licensed pulled. Ethical people don't appear on tv making accusations with no foundation. LP accusing this PI of covering up this crime by not reporting a dead body is WRONG. He's not a parrot, he doesn't have to repeat everything he hears - he acts responsibly, verifies and sources his information.

When you think about this story told by LP about the PI, it makes zero sense. Why would a licensed PI call someone who he knows is shopping around info to the press and announce to him that he's found a dead body and plans to cover that information up? That is a CRIME. The PI can be indicted for that. Now why would a professional risk his entire career, past, present and future and his reputation for something that would be so stupid- "Guess what, I found a dead body of a little girl police are looking for and I want you to help me cover it up!! come on up here with a video camera and tape my crime for me, will ya?"

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Discussing why the PI was taking photos is one thing, but accusing him of covering up evidence is something that can get his licensed pulled. Ethical people don't appear on tv making accusations with no foundation. LP accusing this PI of covering up this crime by not reporting a dead body is WRONG. He's not a parrot, he doesn't have to repeat everything he hears - he acts responsibly, verifies and sources his information.

We really don't know what he did yet. That is what LE, the FBI and others are now investigating.

What jumped out at me was him on the phone while he was walking the area and videotaping. Maybe it was a harmless call, but if it was to ANYONE involved in the case he is in deep trouble.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I think being called on the carpet by the OCSO and the FBI for videotaping and taking still photos of where a body was found a month later can't be good for his career either. Guess he didn't think about that while he was doing it, eh? (Not to mention...helping mislead the public on all those fake sightings of Caylee and publishing the photos of innocent children across the national media to further the defense's case and donations for the A fam.)

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Psmith]

Discussing why the PI was taking photos is one thing, but accusing him of covering up evidence is something that can get his licensed pulled. Ethical people don't appear on tv making accusations with no foundation. LP accusing this PI of covering up this crime by not reporting a dead body is WRONG. He's not a parrot, he doesn't have to repeat everything he hears - he acts responsibly, verifies and sources his information.

When you think about this story told by LP about the PI, it makes zero sense. Why would a licensed PI call someone who he knows is shopping around info to the press and announce to him that he's found a dead body and plans to cover that information up? That is a CRIME. The PI can be indicted for that. Now why would a professional risk his entire career, past, present and future and his reputation for something that would be so stupid- "Guess what, I found a dead body of a little girl police are looking for and I want you to help me cover it up!! come on up here with a video camera and tape my crime for me, will ya?"

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Hi. I meant to reply only to the first 3-4 lines, but when I hit the thingie to do so a whole other paragraph leapt out. Something going on with the site, what with all the duplicate posts.....

Anyway.....JH approached LP. LP saw the video. Most assuredly, LP called the FBI, most probably N Savage, because LP knows that it is signficant to his career and ability to stay out of jail to do so. Afterwards, when authorities do what they do best, LP lets us know via CNN twice: he tells us what JH said and what JH said PI Casey said.

LP is not making the inferences or connnections, some of us WSers are. *winks*

Damage to the PIs reputations? Hmmm. Must be why PI Casey wants to sue PI Hoover. Sort of like Iago, "He who steals my purse steals trash, but he who steals my good name, blah blah blah" kills me indeed (or words to that effect; recall "honest" Iago's protestations). I wonder how that suit will turn out...if it ever sees the light of day. Even if PI Casey's actions were in good faith (knowing where Caylee is, wanting to go get her)--something is wrong here when he goes to the remains site *twice.* That's not acting on a tip or idea, it's conviction or an insistent person who has to be listened to.

Sure, I'll extend the same courtesy given to LP: I believe that LE / FBI would have been called in had the PIs found anything. (But Tip from Kio given in JULY? Wait until NOVEMBER? As I recall, perhaps wrongly, the site was *not* "the hangout" anyway....perhaps not even "the Zone," a dead pet graveyard....)

Thanks for keeping the convo alive. You go, girl! No disrespect meant by phrase, just invoking slang signifying appreciation.

 

[LancelotLink]

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he who steals my good name, blah blah blah.

:rotfl:

 

[lawlady84]

My problem is that we've seen tons and tons of pictures of areas that were searched. If the body turned up somewhere searched earlier - that we had photographs of - would we be pointing our fingers at TM or LP saying they must have known a body was there?

I understand the immediate skepticism attached to anyone working with/for the As, but really. I'm sure DC videotaped up by the airport, by Jay Blanchard Park, etc.

Lets all be careful not to start getting nippy at each other just because there hasn't been much new info lately... its getty testy in here!