P.I. Says He Videotaped Area Where Caylee Was Later Found

[Capri]

The PI went to the area mid November, a month before the MM found Caylee's body. The water had only receded about 10 days before the meter reader found Caylee. The meter reader is full of it, just like the Caylee alive lady, who claims her husband works with Dominic C. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that the PI, Hoover, is the Caylee alive lady's husband.

The CayleeAliveJoy lady's husband is supposedly named John (based on her chatango posts). Does that match Hoover's first name?

 

[Wudge]

From the Florida bar website:
First, the lawyer may not counsel or assist a client in conduct that is criminal or fraudulent. See rule 4-1.2(d). Similarly, a lawyer has a duty under rule 4-3.3(a)(4) not to use false evidence. This duty is essentially a special instance of the duty prescribed in rule 4-1.2(d) to avoid assisting a client in criminal or fraudulent conduct.

The whole confidentiality rule can be found at:

http://www.floridabar.org/divexe/rrtfb.nsf/FV/BC9881429B46D73985256BBC004B9AEC

This is correct. However it does not apply to the hypothetical.

Moreover, based on what we factually know, it does not apply to this case either; i.e., unless I have missed prosecutors claiming such as regards one or more of the attorneys who represent Casey or the Anthonys.

 

[TxRose]

Not to continually argue with you but I do find some of your posts preposterous. Whether the chemical composition comes back at 67% similar to human decomposition or 14% similar the basic fact is that it smelled like human decomp to everyone who smelled it (except the tow truck driver who had a cold)

Like GA said, once you smell that, you never forget it and nothing else in the world smells like it. I've smelled enough of it to know. It lingers in your nose, you catch a wiff of it 3 days later even though you've showered and changed clothes several times. CA stating "it smells like there's been a dead body in that damn car".

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and smells like a rotting bloated decomposing duck, then someone killed the duck and put it in the trunk of the Sunfire.

And left it's decomposing hair in there as well....

 

[magic-cat]

If you listen to the calls, you will find he did call LE first. It was LE that told him to call the tip line. He said he didn't want to because he was a county employee...and he didn't want him name out if something was found. But LE told him he could remain anonymous anyway and said they wanted him to call the tipline because that is where they were directing all the calls related to the case. So I think that pretty much ends the discussion of him doing this just for the money....

I know he called LE. And he was directed to call the Caylee Tip Line being monitored BY LE. But he also called Crime Stoppers Tip Line, at least that is what has been stated since it was discovered that he had made other reports of the area. I was just saying that maybe he was interested in the reward and I do not see a thing wrong with THAT. He deserves it.

Just a slight correction - its repeatedly reported and its not accurate
and it really bugs me -

KC didnt wait 31 days - she never reported her daughter was missing
Cindy reported it by 911 . KC did speak to the dispatcher to clarify
some details when Cindy insisted she take the phone .
Even Cindy put Caylee last on the list of complaints - first the car theft
then money stolen and then oh yeah my grand daughter is missing
I firmly believe the order of priorities has not and will never change ( possessions, money then loved ones )
Caylee is still really far down on the list .

She DID report it to her mother and her brother which is what lead Cindy to report it to LE. What I stated was that she did not tell one single soul that her daughter was missing at all for 31 days...

From JB trying to insinuate that because:
Kronk found the body = he's the killer



Kronk was redirected to 911 and someone there told him to call the tip line. He didn't want to.

Does anyone know in exactly what area the PI did the video? I don't understand how he can say that her body wasn't there. It was very hard to see in the brush

He was likely directed to call the Caylee Tip Line that was being administered by OC...NOT the Crime Stoppers Tip Line which is something else altogether.

If one or more of the Anthonys were the PI's client, they could claim work product privilege. Clients hold the privilege.

Not according to this site:
http://www.answers.com/topic/work-product-rule
According to this site and several others (actually every single one that I could find in a short look) the work product doctrine applies to attorneys and the persons they have hired or consulted with on a case. It does not seem to apply to individuals...??? Do you have a link stating otherwise that you could share with us?

YOU ARE SO RIGHT :clap:KC did not report Caylee missing, and she didn't want to get on the phone with the 911.:clap:

She did not report her missing to the police but she did report her missing to her brother and to her mother before Cindy reported it to the police. That is how they found out-she told them...

The work product doctrine extends beyond attorney-client privilege.

Can you provide a basis for this in the form of a link where we can read up on it?

 

[TxRose]

LP said on NG that LE had the video and still picture that Hoover took on Nov. 15th - they got it around Dec. 17-18th. He said that they were at least 200-300 yards away from where Caylee was found....so they were clearly not in the right spot. He suggests Hoover filmed it because he wanted to sell it to the media.
LP also said that PI Casey was not working for JB at the time all this happened.

 

[Wudge]

The OCSO "found" it and turned it over to the Body Farm for analysis. Is this what you are getting at, Wudge? During that time, the FBI was also sending in evidence recovered in the vehicle to Quantico to their own lab or at least it is my understanding of what transpired.

The preliminary reports are the only ones having been released at this time. The final results are being held back for trial in the "ongoing" investigation.

No.

My point is that there is a big difference between the FBI saying that human decomposition was found in the car versus saying that it's possible (or words
to that effect) that human decomposition was in the car.

The same applies to the FBI saying that they found Caylee's hair in the trunk versus saying that they found hair in the car that might be Caylee's hair.

 

[reeseeva]

The posters second post made it clear to me that their bother with me went beyond my single response to MissJames. I was surprised. Because in terms of poster familiarity,( Not applicable) I don't know who they are. No attack nor ultimatum was made.:waitasec::waitasec: If you wish to get off, please PM me??? HELLO!

If I put someone on ignore, I think it's reasonable and courteous to advise them. At the very least, I think it would be discourteous to not let them know.:bang::waitasec::bang:

HTH

I dont' think they care? especially after your "Haughty" remarks...This is Free Speech.....everyone has a right to it & to their opinions. This is a great forum, & although I am relatively new here, I don't think this is a place for such self-righteous, "Higher than Thou" opinions. With that said, I hope we can now get back ON TOPIC.

 

[Reannan]

Wudge, I bet you would be a great defense attorney! And now, back OT, after looking back over some of the photographs from the aerial shots of where the body was found, why DO you guys think Caylee was dumped so close to the road? I mean honestly, if I were in the business of dumping bodies, I would certainly do it in a more remote location!

 

[SuziQ]

The CayleeAliveJoy lady's husband is supposedly named John (based on her chatango posts). Does that match Hoover's first name?

Nope doesn't match. The PI's name is Jim Hoover. Thanks though, It was really bugging me.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No.

My point is that there is a big difference between the FBI saying that human decomposition was found in the car versus saying that it's possible (or words
to that effect) that human decomposition was in the car.

The same applies to the FBI saying that they found Caylee's hair in the trunk versus saying that they found hair in the car that might be Caylee's hair.

You make me tired, Wudge. LOL

 

[Hope for the Best]

Did you all hear LP on NG? He said that he has seen the mystery video shot by PI Hoover. He said that he met PI Hoover when he was security for the A's. He said that Hoover told him that he had a video of the area and LP asked him how he got it or why or something like that. He said that back on Nov. 15th - PI Casey had called him and told him they had found Caylee. PI Hoover asked PI Casey if she was alive...and he said no...but that they were going to get her right then. LP says that about 2 hours later Hoover came back and had the video. LP said the video was not taken in the same spot as where Caylee was found.

Wow if true. This would sound to me like PI Casey did have a tip and that is why he went there to film. Unfortunately the spot was not the correct one. Now consider the source....LP....but he sure sounded like this was fact and not one of his crazy theories. Interesting!!! And Jean C. was sitting in for NG and just blew right past it! Never realized the importance of what he said. Amazing.

I saw that, too. I was surprised she didn't ask more about that, or at least clarify that it came out right. So, if I understand this correctly the PI knew the body was there in November (I suppose there was some sort of tip), videotaped the area (albeit the wrong area) to prove it wasn't there, and now is claiming that he has video proof that the body wasn't there? Or, did he find it, videotape the area, and then move the body so no one else would find it? I'm confused.

 

[reeseeva]

This is correct. However it does not apply to the hypothetical.

Moreover, based on what we factually know, it does not apply to this case either; i.e., unless I have missed prosecutors claiming such as regards one or more of the attorneys who represent Casey or the Anthonys.

From the Florida bar website:
First, the lawyer may not counsel or assist a client in conduct that is criminal or fraudulent. See rule 4-1.2(d). Similarly, a lawyer has a duty under rule 4-3.3(a)(4) not to use false evidence. This duty is essentially a special instance of the duty prescribed in rule 4-1.2(d) to avoid assisting a client in criminal or fraudulent conduct.:furious::furious:

The whole confidentiality rule can be found at:

http://www.floridabar.org/divexe/rrtfb.nsf/FV/BC9881429B46D73985256BBC004B9AEC

This is why Baez wants to be present when Prosecutors interview Casey who may have "privilieged" information about Casey?

All I can say, is I hope Justice for this child softens the hearts of the previously "only out for glory & money" players in this dispicable tragedy!

 

[TxRose]

Wudge, I bet you would be a great defense attorney! And now, back OT, after looking back over some of the photographs from the aerial shots of where the body was found, why DO you guys think Caylee was dumped so close to the road? I mean honestly, if I were in the business of dumping bodies, I would certainly do it in a more remote location!

I think she was dumped there because Casey is basically lazy and was probably in a hurry to get rid of the body. You have to remember that it was decomposing and must have smelled HORENDOUS by that time. I am sure she didn't want to have to carry it far. Plus...those woods are really thick with underbrush...she probably couldn't get much farther in carrying a body. I think alot of it was haste though.

 

[Wudge]

I know he called LE. And he was directed to call the Caylee Tip Line being monitored BY LE. But he also called Crime Stoppers Tip Line, at least that is what has been stated since it was discovered that he had made other reports of the area. I was just saying that maybe he was interested in the reward and I do not see a thing wrong with THAT. He deserves it.



She DID report it to her mother and her brother which is what lead Cindy to report it to LE. What I stated was that she did not tell one single soul that her daughter was missing at all for 31 days...



He was likely directed to call the Caylee Tip Line that was being administered by OC...NOT the Crime Stoppers Tip Line which is something else altogether.



Not according to this site:
http://www.answers.com/topic/work-product-rule
According to this site and several others (actually every single one that I could find in a short look) the work product doctrine applies to attorneys and the persons they have hired or consulted with on a case. It does not seem to apply to individuals...??? Do you have a link stating otherwise that you could share with us?


She did not report her missing to the police but she did report her missing to her brother and to her mother before Cindy reported it to the police. That is how they found out-she told them...



Can you provide a basis for this in the form of a link where we can read up on it?

I suspect your links are sufficient. The attorney-client privilege is just that. Extensions beyond the attorney-client relationship would include, at the very least, the work of those hired by the attorney for the good of their client.

 

[SuziQ]

From a prosecution perspective, this will represent a significant problem. From a defense perspective, the more the merrier (party time).

Yeah, but the beauty of this is who had access to the person who had knowledge of Caylee's whereabouts? The trail leads back to Lee, GA, CA and Baez. IMO, it would be a stupid move by the defense to go down this road. Unless the defense plans on throwing one of the A's under a bus that is.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I know D.Casey worked early on for the Anthony's and now said he worked for Baez first then after his contracted ended with Baez he started working with the Anthony's, but the other P.I. is the one I am confused about. Who was hired when? It is said that Hoover worked for the Anthony's.


The private investigator was apparently working with the Anthony family at the time. Private investigator J. Hoover says he recorded the wooded area where Caylee Marie Anthony's remains were found about a month before they were found. http://www.wftv.com/news/18380933/detail.html

I think some article also said he was Casey's body guard while she was out on bond.

 

[TxRose]

I saw that, too. I was surprised she didn't ask more about that, or at least clarify that it came out right. So, if I understand this correctly the PI knew the body was there in November (I suppose there was some sort of tip), videotaped the area (albeit the wrong area) to prove it wasn't there, and now is claiming that he has video proof that the body wasn't there? Or, did he find it, videotape the area, and then move the body so no one else would find it? I'm confused.

No - I think what he was trying to say was that PI Casey obviously had a tip that the body was in the woods there. They believed she was there and went to retrieve the body. But they found nothing. So either the tip was bad...or they looked in the wrong spot. But either way - they weren't close to where Caylee was found so the existence of the video does NOT prove that Caylee's body was not there all along. The real question is who gave the PI the tip? Was it a bad tip or were they in the wrong spot...in other words...not where the tipster told them to go? It is very interesting.

I was totally floored that Jean C. let the comment go without saying anything! She clearly wasn't paying attention or doesn't know this case very well. To me this is a real bombshell based on what we have been hearing in the media. Even on Issues with Jane V. they were talking about the video and whether it was in the right spot or not. Geez - somebody should have caught that. They dropped the ball.

 

[Hope for the Best]

Wudge, I bet you would be a great defense attorney! And now, back OT, after looking back over some of the photographs from the aerial shots of where the body was found, why DO you guys think Caylee was dumped so close to the road? I mean honestly, if I were in the business of dumping bodies, I would certainly do it in a more remote location!

Oh, that's an easy one. Because Casey is lazy. She didn't want to be bothered with an alive Caylee, so she definitely didn't want to be bothered by a dead one. So she just tossed her into the nearest vacant lot. Honestly, this makes me more sad than when I thought she had taken great care and consideration in burying her somewhere remote. She apparently cared so little for her that she just tossed her little lifeless body away all alone and left out for the elements. She might as well of put her in a dumpster.

 

[tfrohning]

Please redirect your blah blah blah to the post I referenced, which stated the following.

"Taking up the courts time with "emergency motions" and casting doubt by making insinuating comments about innocent people is immoral.It's stooping to the level of criminals.
It's become a game.
I know there are good,decent lawyers,who defend crimanals.God Bless Them because it's a tough job. It's the ones who will do anything to get their client off that kill me.They don't care about justice.They want to win the game because they can.
ETA: I realise not everyone that needs a defense lawyer is a criminal.My bad."


(thank you)

Wudge, I am so sorry. my post was meant to tigar. I was little touchy this afternoon. and responded to quick. Back To Topic

 

[robotdog]

Uh huh. Sure. And RobotDog has some unfortunate things to do over the whole "50 miles from the A fam's house because of the gas can theory", doesn't RobotDog?! :waitasec:

nope

im sticking with that story

i do think the body was moved

50 miles away and 50 miles back


so there :crazy: