PA - Ellen Greenberg, 27, Philly teacher’s brutal stabbing, ruled suicide but possible homicide, Jan 2011

[Lisbeth_S]

Still 100% sure not suicide imo!

However, after reading that 30-some page report posted earlier, I will admit to less surety in my mind that she was killed by the man who found her dead, her fiance. I still think he's more likely than some mystery perpetrator who no one saw, and who left no trace of him or herself, and who would have had no way to access and exit the apartment without leaving evidence of having done so.

But after reading the report and the opinions of her friends and family and co-workers regarding the fiance, I was very surprised that no one had one bad word to say about him or their relationship. Seems like everyone they knew thought they were in a loving relationship and that she was more than happy with him and excited about their upcoming wedding. I can't believe absolutely no one who they talked to after her death recalled any even minor incidents of possible abuse, and no one admitted to any suspicions of abuse on his part. No one found anything not to like about him. No one said they'd ever seen her scared of him or thought of him as a controlling boyfriend.

But the facts of the murder scene and all the events of that day remain the same, and imo, they all still point directly to him as her killer. (I will not entertain the possibility that she killed herself, given her wounds as outlined in the autopsy report.) So what this says to me is that it is really scary how well he hid his true nature from everyone, and possibly from Ellen herself as well. Or perhaps she was the only one who saw what he was really like, but he kept it hidden from the world. Whether she knew it before that day or not, I think she saw it that day, if only briefly as he attacked her and she succumbed to the devastating injuries he inflicted on her, imo.

I agree!

The fact that not one person has seen behaviours of concerns or expressed concerns in regard to their relationship is weird IF it indeed was the fiancé.
In addition to this, watching the video of him coming out of the elevator in the way to the gym, he looked really chilled, IIRC he was looking at his phone with no hints of stress or tension. I find it hard to believe that he would look like that just after such a frenzied attack. IF he really did it, he must be a real psycho.
And I am still not convinced he did.

But the suicide theory seems really left field too IMO.
I mean, seeing just the picture below would be enough for me to at least classify the manner of death as undetermined. (screenshot from this court tv show)
Sure if I try and reach far behind my neck I can kinda get my hand in a position that may get close to those knives, but having enough strength and momentum to stab myself over and over again in that position seems incredibly difficult (and improbable).
Moreover, why would you not just stab yourself in the heart straight away; why would you try and go into such a weird position when you have so many vital organs very accessible at the front of your body? Even just a stab to the groin could kill you in minutes by haemorrhage from the Femoral artery...I can't think of why she would have gone to the extent, unless she had a crazy masterplan to try and frame her fiancé.

It's all too weird and the lack of an investigation makes me so mad!
I can't believe this is the end of the story for her.