PA - Kenzie Houk, 26, pregnant, murdered, Wampum, 20 Feb 2009

  • #121
I totally agree with the above statement.

One thing that needs to be brought out is the step-family issue. For 10 years, I raised someone else's boys. I thought of them as my own. They called me "mom" as all was well for a long time. Then, they became teens and started breaking the law with drugs and other things. I put my foot down. Their dad did not. I went from "mom" to "the b----". Their hatred for me was scary, especially the youngest one who wrote a poem that included me in it on his my space that lied about me and frightened me. Their dad said "oh all kids do that, just ignore it. They don't mean it".

Needless to say, the marriage didn't last and the kids I raised for ten years do not even acknowledge my existence. And they all have records now. (I have two sons who have not followed the same lifestyle in the least!)

The term "blended family" is a joke. Sure, some of them "blend" but for the most part, they are step-families and the kids suffer. I thought ours was "blended" until the kids got into high school, then the truth came out.

Kimster, I understand what you are saying. With some of these kids, the pathology is there before the stepparent ever came on the scene. And it will still be there when/if the stepparent is gone.
 
  • #122
  • #123
It is so tough when one parent doesn't agree with the other parent that there is a problem. I was watching Dr. Phil a couple of years ago and he had a blended family on. The son never accepted his step mom was had always been absolutely evil to her and his step siblings. He made no bones about it. He wanted them out of his life. He had poisoned the family on a couple of occasions and sent them to the hospital. He was currently in a residential treatment program and was scheduled to come home soon. Dad just could not grasp how dangerous his son was and how it would just get worse. IIRC, Dr. Phil flat out told the guy that his son should not return to the family and as the kid aged he was just going to get physically bigger and more dangerous.

Did they do a follow up on the show? I understand where kids/adults will "act out", but poisoning- in the case of this thread- shooting someone... that's so scarey!
 
  • #124
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09054/951008-85.stm

The district attorney is open to suggestions.
"I want to listen to what anybody and everybody has to say. I want to protect the boy and protect the witnesses and the community. I'm not the DA guy that says, 'I want to lock him away and I don't [care].' I probably won't be totally comfortable with whatever happens, but this decision will stay with me the rest of my life. I have to be able to live with it."

more at link
 
  • #125
Did they do a follow up on the show? I understand where kids/adults will "act out", but poisoning- in the case of this thread- shooting someone... that's so scarey!

I hardly ever watch Dr. Phil, so I don't know what ever happened with this family. But they've always stuck in my mind. The kid was around 10 or 11 years old. IIRC, he never showed remorse or anything. In his mind the end justified the means. IMO, Dad had his own issues. Of course it was easy from where he sat. He wasn't the target. Dad had a worrisome lack of concern for his wife and her kids. I wanted to scream at his wife to kick her husband and his son to the curb and never look back.
 
  • #126
If you live in a rural area, the assertion is people need their guns, but if you live in an urban areas the contention is, with so much crime, people need to arm themselves for protection. CAP, Child Access Prevention, laws do not prevent people from owning guns. These laws are about securing guns out of the reach of children. If you have a license to carry a gun, you have that gun on you and the gun is secure. I have serious problems with leaving guns in places where children can access them unsupervised. In the case of the eight year old that has pled guilty to murdering one man and now this eleven year old boy that is accused of murdering this woman and baby, if they did not have a gun accessible to them, I doubt these victims would be dead today. Remember the quote, "God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal." Guns are give unbridled power to anyone and everyone despite their size, mental condition -- and age.

Just so you know, I am a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. It is our right to own a gun, but it is our obligation to handle those guns responsibly. In my home, our guns are stored in a locked gun safe. My problem is the easy access the children in these tragic events had to guns. The assumption because I use guns correctly, and I have instructed my child on how to use a gun then they must be emotionally and psychologically aware of the full ramifications of gun usage. It does not factor in the impulsivity of a child to sometimes act recklessly or perhaps react in anger.

I absolutley agree!!!! It is up to responsible adults to keep guns under lock and key. I also think that because this gun was not kept under lock & key, the father may face charges as well. I am not 100% on that but I am thinking that it may be an issue. My whole family shoot guns for competition as well as food. My children learned at a very young age to shoot and hunt.
They also have learned safe handling of firearms. Unfortunatly that is not the case with alot of gun owner's. Education is the key to this....not taking guns away. If that happened, all the bad guys would have guns and we would all be left with no protection at all.
 
  • #127
I absolutley agree!!!! It is up to responsible adults to keep guns under lock and key. I also think that because this gun was not kept under lock & key, the father may face charges as well. I am not 100% on that but I am thinking that it may be an issue. My whole family shoot guns for competition as well as food. My children learned at a very young age to shoot and hunt.
They also have learned safe handling of firearms. Unfortunatly that is not the case with alot of gun owner's. Education is the key to this....not taking guns away. If that happened, all the bad guys would have guns and we would all be left with no protection at all.


The father will not be charged.
 
  • #128
  • #129
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09054/951008-85.stm

The district attorney is open to suggestions.
"I want to listen to what anybody and everybody has to say. I want to protect the boy and protect the witnesses and the community. I'm not the DA guy that says, 'I want to lock him away and I don't [care].' I probably won't be totally comfortable with whatever happens, but this decision will stay with me the rest of my life. I have to be able to live with it."

more at link

Thanks for the link Linda7NJ.

The DA sounds like a real decent guy.
 
  • #130
Kimster, I'm sorry you had that experience with your step-sons. In some ways it might be a blessing that they don't recongnize your existence, given their lifestyle, you've mentioned. I'm glad your sons chose a different path. :)

Do you feel that in the situation with your stepsons, if their dad would have addressed the issues with them, at the time, it would have helped? If he had stood behind you and "put his foot down" and spoke with them about their behavior, could it have made a difference in your opinion?

:blowkiss:

Yes, if their dad would have parented them instead of being their "friend", the outcome would have been much different. Another component in the mess was that I WAS parenting my own sons and they didn't feel life was "fair" in the household. However, they are young adults now and thank me for giving them consequences and sticking to them, even though the same consequences were not handed out to their step-brothers.

My step-sons' dad is now paying a lot of legal fees and court costs for their behavior. He also fights with the high school when they try to "tow the line" with his kids. Even their maternal grandmother has told me I was the best thing in their lives and she is sad that I am no longer able to help them.

BTW, their bio-mom is even worse at parenting them and just wants the dad to raise them. She remarried, divorced, and is raising two younger children herself. It's pathetic to know that this is what happens to so many of our youth today!
 
  • #131
Kimster, I understand what you are saying. With some of these kids, the pathology is there before the stepparent ever came on the scene. And it will still be there when/if the stepparent is gone.

Very true.
 
  • #132
  • #133
Thanks for the link Linda7NJ.

The DA sounds like a real decent guy.


He sure does. My heart goes out to him too. I have a feeling he's gonna lose a lot of sleep over this case.
 
  • #134
Thanks Kimster for answering my questions. Also, thanks to SuziQ!

This case is hard for me to grasp. As the parent of an 11 yr old and an 8 year old (the other murder case), I just can't grasp that age group planning a murder and carrying it out.
 
  • #135
  • #136
Thanks Kimster for answering my questions. Also, thanks to SuziQ!

This case is hard for me to grasp. As the parent of an 11 yr old and an 8 year old (the other murder case), I just can't grasp that age group planning a murder and carrying it out.

And thank you for your uplifting comments to my situation! :blowkiss:

Give your boys extra loves today!
 
  • #137
Thanks Kimster for answering my questions. Also, thanks to SuziQ!

This case is hard for me to grasp. As the parent of an 11 yr old and an 8 year old (the other murder case), I just can't grasp that age group planning a murder and carrying it out.


My own son just turned eleven. He's an above average student, always on the honor roll, not a genius by any means.

I've read all of his creative writing essays again from the last two years and while violence isn't in a single one, I can tell he is fully capable of the planning part. Without a doubt. If I asked him to write a murder mystery, he could.

I doubt the planning part is difficult at all.

It's the actual doing it that separates these anomalous murdering children. In my opinion.
 
  • #138
Thanks for the link Linda7NJ.

The DA sounds like a real decent guy.

He really does sound decent. And he also sounds like alot of DA's that have a problem with it's easy to pass a law, but how do you enforce and punish the law. The state of PA can charge adult homicide over the age of ten. Ok, now what? Such tough questions.
 
  • #139
He really does sound decent. And he also sounds like alot of DA's that have a problem with it's easy to pass a law, but how do you enforce and punish the law. The state of PA can charge adult homicide over the age of ten. Ok, now what? Such tough questions.

I agree there are tough unanswered questions. Have you read the recent Humboldt, Kansas story of another boy - age 10 - who murdered his dad? What is society to do with these kids?

Story posted by Linda7NJ (8 yr old charged...)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154878,00.html
 
  • #140
I agree there are tough unanswered questions. Have you read the recent Humboldt, Kansas story of another boy - age 10 - who murdered his dad? What is society to do with these kids?

Story posted by Linda7NJ (8 yr old charged...)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154878,00.html


from the article:

"Hamlin was sitting on the living-room couch when he was shot in the back of the head with a 20-gauge pump shotgun"

That's cold....shivers....
 

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