PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #2

[JurysOut]

Does anyone know if it is possible to view past complaints that have been filed against the Palmyra Police or specific officers? Is this public information that is available somewhere?

I can't find it in a quick search

here's the Open Records Law

http://www.openrecordspa.org/index_assets/RTKQuickGuide.pdf

 

[LivingJuicy]

I sure wish their online resources were a lot better. Here in Florida - we can access all records and it's great, if needed.

Or maybe I'm not finding the right sites.

 

[MissSeptember]

Sounds like MR and CP went to KS apartment together, they may have had in their had that they were going to score. CP and MR are hanging out for awhile (1st time the cops call) and KS gets into an argument with neighbor because she is intoxicated. Cops leave. The banging around might have been both of them trying stuff....it failed. The cops knock...they tell each other to be quiet....they wait for the cops to leave....remove her from the apartment.....drive her miles away in the Acura, and then CP drops MR off at his house and then CP makes the appearance where he was caught on camera.


Nobody SAW CP leave in the morning so that can be easily fabricated. The only thing true that we know for sure that exists is where he was caught on camera.

Also, I read that nothing in the apartment seemed to be out of place.....they could have easily put everything back together. I am not so sure the police are doing a good job. I definitely think this is going to turn out bad. Police need to search several locations.....maybe they should form a search party once a week, and look in different locations?

 

[Cassell]

What happened to CP's FB page?? Also does MR have two???

 

[MissSeptember]

This may come off as a stupid question....not sure if anyone can answer it, but what exactly is a SEALED search warrant???

 

[Jersey*Girl]

This may come off as a stupid question....not sure if anyone can answer it, but what exactly is a SEALED search warrant???

Sealed = Sealed, meaning not viewable by the public, or legally allowed to be shared, until or unless a judge releases it. It's done to protect the integrity of the investigation, as well as to protect innocent pois that could look guilty based on the wording in the affidavit for search.

 

[LivingJuicy]

This may come off as a stupid question....not sure if anyone can answer it, but what exactly is a SEALED search warrant???

A sealed search warrant is only available to the court.

Basically they won't release details in case it would effect the investigation or cause more problems.

IMO - I'm not an attorney!

 

[LivingJuicy]

What happened to CP's FB page?? Also does MR have two???

CP's not a friend of mine on FB but we do have a mutual friend. CP's comments are no longer on our mutual friend's FB.

Hinky.

:maddening:

 

[Cassell]

Also, I did a 411 reverse address search on her building. It shows the people that live there. One of the guys has a Fubar acct. what is Fubar? Is it like FB or is it like AFF?

A social networking site

 

[bpinkbinkie]

A sealed search warrant is only available to the court.

Basically they won't release details in case it would effect the investigation or cause more problems.

IMO - I'm not an attorney!

Or to JVM's show?!? That looked like the real deal to me they had up on the screen last night. I paused it a couple of times on my computer and could read some of it, nothing that I didn't already know but I could kind of make out MR's address. I thought that was a little strange for a sealed warrant.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7591214_sealed-search-warrant.html

Quote:

What Is a Sealed Search Warrant?
By Rebecca Rogge, eHow Contributor
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. Courts have to issue warrants to law enforcement officers to authorize searches of the property of those suspected of criminal activity. Sometimes the contents of these search warrants, however, are sealed -- withheld from the public.

Sealing
Only officers of the court and sometimes only those with certain authority are allowed to see contents of a sealed warrant. In some cases, search warrants may be partially sealed; its contents are released to the public with certain information redacted (obscured, usually by being blacked out).

Process
A search warrant is sealed simply by storing it in a physical or digital file that is not accessible to the public. Some court files are open to the public under open records laws, but sensitive information can be withheld from the public if necessary.

Reasons
Search warrants can be sealed if they contain information that would impede the investigation, if revealed; if they contain information that might harm someone if made public; or if release of the contents clearly causes an invasion of privacy, as exemplified in Utah Court Rule Rule 40. For example if a search warrant contains information that might tip off a co-conspirator in a case, that information can be sealed.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.ehow.com/how_6538898_unseal-search-warrant.html

Quote:

How to Unseal a Search Warrant
By Roger Thorne, eHow Contributor
Each state sets its own laws for how these warrants can be sought and served. Generally, search warrants, as part of criminal proceedings, are public records. However, search warrants can be sealed by a court. But they can be unsealed, if the proper steps are taken.

Steps

Step 1 of 4
Research the law in your area. Depending on where you are and what laws apply, the process for unsealing a search warrant can vary greatly. All states, as well as the federal government, have search warrant statutes that govern what can be done when courts issue warrants, and you'll need to know them before you can get a warrant unsealed.

Step 2 of 4
Draft a petition. To get the warrant unsealed, you'll have to ask the court to unseal it. This is usually done in the form of a petition. The petition needs to state why you're asking the court to act, the remedy you seek (the unsealing of the warrant), your name, information about the warrant and the legal basis upon which your claim is based.

Step 3 of 4
File the petition. Once your petition is properly prepared, you'll have to file it with the court clerk. Because search warrants are usually issued by judges or magistrates in criminal court divisions, there may be filing fees. Speak to the criminal court clerk before filing the petition and ask about fees and procedures.

Step 4 of 4
Some states allow sealed warrants to expire once a specific time has passed. For example, Utah law says search warrants remain sealed for 20 days after issuance by a magistrate. Then the warrants are automatically made public.

Tips & Warnings
Consult a criminal defense attorney. Criminal laws and procedures can be very complicated, requiring the knowledge and expertise of a licensed attorney.
Be honest. Court filings are official documents. If you knowingly make false statements in your attempt to get a search warrant unsealed, you are committing a crime.

 

[PalmyraDad]

Or to JVM's show?!? That looked like the real deal to me they had up on the screen last night. I paused it a couple of times on my computer and could read some of it, nothing that I didn't already know but I could kind of make out MR's address. I thought that was a little strange for a sealed warrant.

I think what was shown on JVM's show and other media outlets over the course of the investigation are top pages only. See the following link:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/204/chapter217/chap217toc.html

EDIT: Here is a copy of an actual unsealed warrant in a homicide case from yesterday on lancasteronline.com. This one is much easier on the eyes. Note it's a PDF file.

http://images.lancasteronline.com/local_old/676621/application_for_search_warrant.pdf

 

[bpinkbinkie]

I think what was shown on JVM's show and other media outlets over the course of the investigation are top pages only. See the following link:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/204/chapter217/chap217toc.html

Yep, it was the first page that was shown. So I guess all the confidential information is in the following pages. Probable cause, etc.

 

[LivingJuicy]

Maybe we can discuss theories.

I just had a thought -

Supposedly her keys were in her car. We've wondered why.

Is it possible that CP was in fact sleeping? I know that after a late night of partying especially with alcohol that I can pass out and not hear a peep.

Maybe Kortne ran out to her car to get something - maybe she left her phone in it when she got home or her cigs, SOMETHING and while doing that, she was acosted.

That could explain the keys still in the car. (this wouldn't work if they were in the ignition and now I can't remember if that was the case or not, sorry)

I hate that the neighbors are so quiet. I hate that opportunity and possible motive are there with the neighbor that called the police and we know nada.

JMO!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Here's Kortne's apartment building...

There's a Napa on the side of it that would have been closed at the time she came home. What's across the street from the front of the residence, the place with all the cars? Would that be closed at night as well? There's empty space beside the building as well as behind it. Where did she normally park her car? Where did she enter her apartment?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Info on bldg...

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/810-W-Main-St-Palmyra-PA-17078/2133967931_zpid/?iPhoneUser=true

Quote:

810 W Main St
Palmyra, PA*17078
PhotosMapBird's EyeStreet View

Not for SaleZestimate:$143,366Rent Zestimate:$1,107/moEst. Mortgage:
$514/mo*
See current rates on Zillow
Beds: 4
Baths: 2
Sqft: 1,844
Lot: 7,840 sq ft / 0.18 acres
Type: Multi Family
Year built: 1900
Parking: --
Cooling: --
Heating: --
Fireplace: --

Good Investment Income! 2-Unit Brick Semi-Detached Home W/ Off-Street Parking. 1st Floor 1Br Apartment (Front Room Currently Used As 2nd Br) Has Access To Finished Basement. 3Br Upper Apartment Has 1 Bedroom On 2nd Floor & 2 Finished Rooms On 3rd Floor Used As Additional Bedrooms. Tenants Pay Own Heat, Hot Water & Unit Electric.

 

[PalmyraDad]

Here's Kortne's apartment building...

There's a Napa on the side of it that would have been closed at the time she came home. What's across the street from the front of the residence, the place with all the cars? Would that be closed at night as well? There's empty space beside the building as well as behind it. Where did she normally park her car? Where did she enter her apartment?

The business across the street sells outdoor furniture, gazebos and playsets and would have been closed at that time of night. At the time of the pic, it was a used car dealership. Right next to that is a pizza place that would also have been closed. She most likely parked in the back on a regular basis and entered by the side door. There is a sliding door entrance off the deck in the back but it's much easier to use the side.

 

[JurysOut]

Here's Kortne's apartment building...



There's a Napa on the side of it that would have been closed at the time she came home. What's across the street from the front of the residence, the place with all the cars? Would that be closed at night as well? There's empty space beside the building as well as behind it. Where did she normally park her car? Where did she enter her apartment?

This is what's across the street, no external cameras and they would not have been open after midnight









Fourth pic is across the street from 808/810.


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[Jersey*Girl]

JurysOut & PalmyraDad - thanks so much! My sons have wrestled there, as well as the surrounding area. Once we had some stuff stolen out of our LOCKED car, which means somebody knew what they were doing to not have to bust a window! Plus, it's not as safe as some have kind of implied. I think when we tend to grow up in an area, we tend to find everyday happenings normal. I live in a small town & used to think like that. Since I became involved in missing persons cases years ago, well quite frankly I've learned a lot. Now I see all the arrests that are never posted in the paper, the heroin/meth/pot sales, the crime associated with unemployment & people trying to keep up with the Joneses...lol. Anyway, now my eyes are open & I think most towns are like this. Always crime, just maybe not made available to the public.

I think it looks easy to point the finger at these 2 cats she was out with but I also think its very possible it could be someone else.