PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #2

[PBJ2585]

Agree!

Why do you think not?

I'm not thinking of a borrower-more like someone agreed to bring her car back from The Gas Station/gas station when she decided to ride in MR's car.

If there's no obvious evidence of a crime in the apartment and LE still has her car, I think all three scenarios are plausible given the information we have.

1- CP disappeared KS
2- TS disappeared KS
3- Something's up with the car

I think going outside for what was to be a very brief time period explains why she took absolutely nothing with her. And why the dogs didn't make a fuss.

If LE knocked, wouldn't the dogs bark? Even on the silent third floor, we're talking dog ears, not people ears. And WS said the dog greeted her, which means it was on the second floor or free to roam inside.

If the dogs barked and LE left, that's even weirder, IMO.


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[epiphany]

Why do you think not?

I'm not thinking of a borrower-more like someone agreed to bring her car back from The Gas Station/gas station when she decided to ride in MR's car.

If there's no obvious evidence of a crime in the apartment and LE still has her car, I think all three scenarios are plausible given the information we have.

1- CP disappeared KS
2- TS disappeared KS
3- Something's up with the car

I think going outside for what was to be a very brief time period explains why she took absolutely nothing with her. And why the dogs didn't make a fuss.

If LE knocked, wouldn't the dogs bark? Even on the silent third floor, we're talking dog ears, not people ears. And WS said the dog greeted her, which means it was on the second floor or free to roam inside.

If the dogs barked and LE left, that's even weirder, IMO.


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Only stating that if she stepped out, she wasn't disappeared by the individual/s who returned her car.

She either stepped out with CP after the stomping and banging incident but prior to LE's arrival, or she stepped out after CP went to sleep and if the latter is the case, I don't believe a POI--as yet unknown to us at the moment-- would have been involved in her disappearance.

 

[Eileen730]

Why do you think not?

I'm not thinking of a borrower-more like someone agreed to bring her car back from The Gas Station/gas station when she decided to ride in MR's car.

If there's no obvious evidence of a crime in the apartment and LE still has her car, I think all three scenarios are plausible given the information we have.

1- CP disappeared KS
2- TS disappeared KS
3- Something's up with the car

I think going outside for what was to be a very brief time period explains why she took absolutely nothing with her. And why the dogs didn't make a fuss.

If LE knocked, wouldn't the dogs bark? Even on the silent third floor, we're talking dog ears, not people ears. And WS said the dog greeted her, which means it was on the second floor or free to roam inside.

If the dogs barked and LE left, that's even weirder, IMO.


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We dont know that the car was not there when she arrived home I think it was! Keys left inside!

Maybe she went out to get her keys?

I cant see her going to sleep she was all wired up.
And angry!

 

[scorekeeper]

So new questions (or old ones that seem new now, LOL)

How did Kortne get to the Gas Station and whom was she hanging with there until she met up with Jr. and CP and others?

Was her car at her place when LE arrived the first time; the second time?

Did the neighbors see her car Sunday?

and the old one....WHY NO SEARCHES??

 

[leighmarker]

someone asked about the probation officer coming by on a weekend. Probation doesnt end on the weekend so maybe they are "on call" or something. I am just guessing that someone called and gave him a heads up, or since the town is small he knew where the BF lived happened to drive by and was checking it out.
I am wondering about the people who were there for the party, wonder if there was someone there who "liked" KS and maybe saw her later (at one of the bars) and knew the BF wasnt going to be around.
Just thinking outloud .....

 

[JaimeSommers]

I've never understood how CP could pinpoint the time KS went to sleep and also claim to be in another room.

(Respectfully snipped by me.)

Is it possible that what he pinpointed was the time she went into her bedroom -- and he/others are just assuming that bedroom = sleep?

 

[epiphany]

We dont know that the car was not there when she arrived home I think it was! Keys left inside!

Maybe she went out to get her keys?

I cant see her going to sleep she was all wired up.
And angry!

Agree. In that case, Kortne suddenly takes an "unexpected" ride with someone and is cornered as she steps out to retrieve her keys left in the car by a friend/acquaintance who is not involved in her disappearance, but simply had dropped her vehicle off.

 

[Eileen730]

(Respectfully snipped by me.)

Is it possible that what he pinpointed was the time she went into her bedroom -- and he/others are just assuming that bedroom = sleep?

Or she showed him to a bedroon and said you can crash in here good night see ya in the morning..... he figures she went to bed also!

 

[Eileen730]

someone asked about the probation officer coming by on a weekend. Probation doesnt end on the weekend so maybe they are "on call" or something. I am just guessing that someone called and gave him a heads up, or since the town is small he knew where the BF lived happened to drive by and was checking it out.
I am wondering about the people who were there for the party, wonder if there was someone there who "liked" KS and maybe saw her later (at one of the bars) and knew the BF wasnt going to be around.
Just thinking outloud .....

I think someone ratted on him!

 

[JurysOut]

No idea why this posted twice, sorry

 

[JurysOut]

I believe that would have been her BF going to jail, and who, in Kortne's mind, was responsible for the probation officer's check-in.

Alcohol and other drugs (if there were) would magnify her vulnerability, but may have increased her more confrontational behavior and agitation that evening/morning.

Some drugs do that to me. Dtr will say 'don't take whatever it is that makes you b¡tchier'


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[epiphany]

We have two individuals, who evidently have nothing in common and would not be on the same sides-so to speak, each of them stating that there was stomping and banging coming from Kortne's apartment. And then, we have both of these same individuals, not answering their respective doors when an LE Officer arrives.

How can that be? I don't see too many explanations or options here.

 

[Eileen730]

I think she was totally pissed off at the neighbors for caling the cops and went to confront the guy!

 

[JurysOut]

Sometimes when I look at something too closely, I can't see it at all. I'm going to stop looking at this for today. I'm chasing my tail.

Where oh where is Kortne?


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[AndreaBingham]

I am still frustrated by the articles/comments dictating the location of Kortne's car that night. None of it makes any sense. If Kortne drove herself to The Gas Station, she did not need a ride to Harrisburg. Why would she give herself a ride to one bar, but not another? (I am speculating that maybe, probably, CP was not a designated driver as he claims. He made that statement as to not admit guilt to drunk driving. He was just as drunk as anyone else that night. This can be completely eliminated as a way to make any of this logical.) Why would she make someone take her car home, because then how would THEY have a ride to THEIR home? :banghead: No sense. No sense. No sense.

As I see it something was going on with her to be having all these fights that day.
Stressed about something!
Alcohol?
Drugs?
Seems there was some trouble lurking there in her life!
BF in jail.....Neighbor
Something was definately going on

but what?

I can finally say it and still be within the rules of WS, as it was finally reported in MSM. Kortne was upset that night because of what happened with her boyfriend! He was arrested, sent to jail, and she thought he would be gone for quite a while. She told many on that night that, that was what was upsetting her.

It was mentioned in either Jr. or Sr. interview that there were "others" in the car...

I believe this was unclear, difficult to understand writing. . .as opposed to some sort of clue. The writer wrote "leaving the others in the car" in what I believe was reference to CP and KS. Two people is enough to warrant the use of the word "others". There is no indication and no report of anyone else being in the car at that time. This, at least, is one point that CP and MR have not wavered on.

 

[Eileen730]

I think she went and pounded on this neighbors door he calls cops (this is the second call) they fight something happens he wont ans the door to LE and her overnight guest wont ans the door its not his house or his fight!
All goes quiet he goes to sleep!

I think this neighbor is responsible!

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

We have two individuals, who evidently have nothing in common and would not be on the same sides-so to speak, each of them stating that there was stomping and banging coming from Kortne's apartment. And then, we have both of these same individuals, not answering their respective doors when an LE Officer arrives.

How can that be? I don't see too many explanations or options here.

I think her guest heard banging but i think what he heard was her banging on neighbors door!

He wont ans the door to her apt for the cops.
He would lie there and let her do it

 

[epiphany]

Andrea-So what you are speculating is that Kortne drove herself (and possibly others) to Harrisburg using her own car, as well as either was driven by someone or drove herself, again, in her own car, back to her apartment?

 

[scorekeeper]

Kortne also left behind her car, wallet, her dog and another dog that belonged to her boyfriend. Per PennLive article

So this we can surmise from the article:

both dogs were at the party, both dogs there when she got home.

When did the boyfriend's father pick up the other dog? I'm thinking the article is possibly wrong. Perhaps he picked the dog up after his son went to "spend some time to think about what he had done". If not then, when? On Sunday? What does he have to say?

I'm also still thinking the Probation Officer showed up because the ankle alarm went off instead of one of the neighbor's calling....could be important or not....perhaps someone wanted Kortne at the house by herself??

 

[leighmarker]

why is it until now that we find out she got into an "tiff" with both neighbors?