PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #3

[AndreaBingham]

Fiction by me and me only:


Let's say you're involved with drugs.

Let's also say you work three jobs, just to completely waste your time, because you are a rich drug dealer.

Or maybe you are involved with drugs, yes, like many people your age. . .but that doesn't mean you are some sort of big time drug lord.

So let's say conspiracy theories and hard to believe rumors are completely unnecessary!

 

[AndreaBingham]

"...he could protect her, he was a guy friend to hang out with." This statement is making a whole lot more sense now.

http://www.ldnews.com/latestnews/ci_21275447

PalmyraDad,

If KS is so scared for her safety that she asks CP to stay the night with her for protection, then why would she step out of her house alone? And if she didn't step out of her house alone, something happened inside, so CP should know about it. No sense.

What makes more sense is that WS was trying to explain away why a man other than KS stayed the night with her. . .so that people like the lovely CH wouldn't accuse KS of having a one night stand with him.

 

[Truman]

I'll admit I'm not the smartest guy around, but I'm just not seeing what difference it makes if the responding officer's name is John Doe or Frank Public. Can someone help me out there? I just don't see what that will help us sleuth or how it will help find Kortne.

I'm not sure I can explain that without violating TOS. It is relevant because of arrests that were made in Kortne's apartment (aka allegedly the last place she was seen) on July 28 (aka 6 hours before she disappeared.) Again, I feel like I'm skating on thin ice, here...

ETA:

UPDATED

The chief said police contacted Burdge's and Bowman's parents that night, then took the two men home.

http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21427918/police-release-new-info-missing-woman-case

Bolding etc. by me

 

[LisaB]

Hold on a minute...

How was this the third incident? Just how many incidents were there that morning?

http://www.ldnews.com/lebanonnews/ci_21426581/new-information-released-kortne-stouffer-case

In addition, two men were charged with underage drinking in connection with the third incident.

MB, 19, of 325 E. Main St., Palmyra, and CB, 18, of 1025 N. Forge Road, North Londonderry Township, were charged with underage drinking following an incident about 9:30 p.m. July 28 at Stoffer's second-floor apartment at 810 W. Main St., according to a news release.

I believe that the 2 early morning visits by LE were common knowledge, but that they wanted to point out that there had been a THIRD visit (which occurred before the other two). I do not think they meant it was chronologically third in the sequence. I also believe the article included the names of the two men arrested for underage drinking, but did not mention Kortne's boyfriend as he is (I assume) of legal drinking age. The reason he was not to drink was a condition of his probation. He is neither of the two arrested for underage drinking if he is not underage.

 

[cluciano63]

I believe that the 2 early morning visits by LE were common knowledge, but that they wanted to point out that there had been a THIRD visit (which occurred before the other two). I do not think they meant it was chronologically third in the sequence. I also believe the article included the names of the two men arrested for underage drinking, but did not mention Kortne's boyfriend as he is (I assume) of legal drinking age. The reason he was not to drink was a condition of his probation. He is neither of the two arrested for underage drinking if he is not underage.

One article said Kortne was the only one there who was of legal drinking age.

 

[PalmyraDad]

PalmyraDad,

If KS is so scared for her safety that she asks CP to stay the night with her for protection, then why would she step out of her house alone? And if she didn't step out of her house alone, something happened inside, so CP should know about it. No sense.

What makes more sense is that WS was trying to explain away why a man other than KS stayed the night with her. . .so that people like the lovely CH wouldn't accuse KS of having a one night stand with him.

But if she is led out of the apartment by someone she trusts, then her guard is down. Not arguing, just throwing a thought out. Personally, I don't believe CP has been completely open about what happened that night. I think any trust she may have had in him was misplaced. JMO

 

[Annie1004]

Perhaps the name of the responding officer has not been released because there is an internal affairs investigation going on. Something is definitely hinky within the PD, IMHO.

 

[JurysOut]

Fiction by me and me only:


Let's say you're involved with drugs.

Let's also say you work three jobs, just to completely waste your time, because you are a rich drug dealer.

Or maybe you are involved with drugs, yes, like many people your age. . .but that doesn't mean you are some sort of big time drug lord.

So let's say conspiracy theories and hard to believe rumors are completely unnecessary!

That's what I've always thought. I thought it was absurd, typed exactly that earlier today.

What's with the heavy duty money counter?​

I can't find a different 21 year old woman living in the 800 block of West Main.

Maybe the money counter wasn't the victim's. Maybe it belonged to someone else. Maybe the person it belongs to doesn't believe it was stolen at all.

 

[cluciano63]

UPDATED

Jasinski said that when police arrived, there were seven people, including Stouffer, in the apartment.

"Kortne was the only one who was 21 years or over," he said.

Jasinski said that Burke and Bowman were the only two of the six underage people at the party who tested positive for alcohol. No other underage drinking citations are expected to be filed, he said.

The chief said police contacted Burdge's and Bowman's parents that night, then took the two men home.

"It all started with underage drinking," Jasinski said of the police calls that night at Stouffer's apartment.

http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21427918/police-release-new-info-missing-woman-case

She was the only one of age, but only two tested positive for alcohol.

 

[nervous_nellie]

That's my understanding. I just can't think of a good reason not to release the name of the officer who responded to the 4:12 call, especially since it was apparently ok to publicize Lengle as the responder to the 3:12 call and Hunt as the officer in charge of the investigation. Why the mystery over that 4:12 officer? It makes zero sense. I don't see how it could possibly impede the investigation for that to be known.

the first cop did what he was suppose to do, the second one not so much and now someone is missing. it may not impede the investigation, but i think the dept. is hoping to resolve this case without having to reveal that. moo, this case does not look like there is going to be a happy ending and they are going to have to face the fact that this officer didnt do everything that he could have given the situation.

the next thing that tiptoed thru my mind is what if kourtne did go for a walk either to cool down or get her car maybe both and the cops ran into her after they had just knocked at her house? im not accusing anyone of anything but it sure wouldnt have been the first time something bad happened at the hands of a le officer... i seriously doubt this happened and i am PRO LE ... just felt the need to mention it.

anyone remember mitrice richardson?

 

[JurysOut]

the first cop did what he was suppose to do, the second one not so much and now someone is missing. it may not impede the investigation, but i think the dept. is hoping to resolve this case without having to reveal that. moo, this case does not look like there is going to be a happy ending and they are going to have to face the fact that this officer didnt do everything that he could have given the situation.

the next thing that tiptoed thru my mind is what if kourtne did go for a walk either to cool down or get her car maybe both and the cops ran into her after they had just knocked at her house? im not accusing anyone of anything but it sure wouldnt have been the first time something bad happened at the hands of a le officer... i seriously doubt this happened and i am PRO LE ... just felt the need to mention it.

anyone remember mitrice richardson?

Parents got a $900K settlement which is cold comfort.

 

[LisaB]

Didn't Kortne get busted in April for having a party with underage boys? Why on earth would she do it again? And have her BF there, who was already in trouble...doesn't make any sense. She is coming off as not too bright, and I am sure that probably is not the case.

I know a very intelligent person who was arrested for a VERY minor charge. Apparently the judge was having a bad day and put this person on an extended probation, which included weekly drug tests, in spite of the fact that the original arrest had NOTHING to do with drugs. In addition to having to pay almost $300 a week in lab fees, this individual failed the first NINE consecutive drug tests and was charged with violation of probation.

I don't know about YOU, but I would not be using drugs knowing I'd be tested. Perhaps the first few tests could come up "dirty" if the person being tested had been using drugs after the arrest and before the court date, but even THAT seems like poor judgment, since the court date was scheduled several months in advance, and it was a sure bet that AT A MINIMUM, 30 days probation would be imposed.

STUPID STUPID STUPID... and this from a VERY bright person in most circumstances. They subsequently started using the "fake pot" called "spice" which was legal to buy, and at the time, not included in the test panel, and tested clean for the remainder of the 18 months. Now, maybe it is just me, but from what I understand, the "fake" stuff is WAY more dangerous than actual marijuana (which is not a particularly harmful drug), so the "switch" showed that they were not COMPLETELY stupid, from the perspective of successfully completing probation, but really DUMB considering that it has landed several people in the ER.

 

[bjwels]

More than likely I agree...the money counting machine was actually a coin counter. I know I actually have two in my home...one that is attatched to the top of a bank and one that puts coins into sleeves. Imagine if it were the bank style for a moment and filled with money...wouldn't that be attractive to a thief?? makes sense to me....

 

[JurysOut]

More than likely I agree...the money counting machine was actually a coin counter. I know I actually have two in my home...one that is attatched to the top of a bank and one that puts coins into sleeves. Imagine if it were the bank style for a moment and filled with money...wouldn't that be attractive to a thief?? makes sense to me....

This is the stolen machine. The details were in one of the links originally posted by Lois Lane
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[LisaB]

I'm not sure I'd be too worried yet Andrea. If it is Kortne in Montgomery County, whoever did it would have to be really stupid to dump a body in an area much more highly populated than it is out here. If they drove 90 minutes west of here instead of east, there are areas where no one would ever find a body!

NOTE TO SELF: Do NOT pizz off Cutter99...

 

[LisaB]

I used to believe that if more than one person know about something, the truth will come out, but am not so sure anymore. I think there are other cases where groups of people know what happened to certain victims and they have never spoken about it. I think people are harder somehow, these days, and can live with their sins easier, or something like that.

SBM

I had to chuckle a little at this. After work I have to go to the grocery store because the girl that checked out my purchases last night apparently failed at basic math. I bought a whole tray of my favorite yogurt, which are packed 4x3. The girl charged me for 9 cups instead of 12. I am going in with the bar code from the one I ate today so I can pay for the remaining 3 cups. Is that going too far? Or am I right to think that $1.17 is not worth going to hell over? I have been told I am TOO honest. Maybe I am, but I sleep well at night.

 

[bjwels]

Ok I see it now... when I was looking at the LDN article it just said money counting machine but the Penn live link gave it in detail. Thanks.....

 

[jillnors2]

One more thing that night: If KS was fearing for her safety that night, she would have never gone out, partied, and gotten drunk. That makes you vulnerable. That makes you visible to people who could be trying to harm you. Going out and having a good time indicates to me that, other than her BF being in jail, KS didn't think she had anything to worry about.

I don't think KS has shown to have the best judgement. For example, having multiple parties with underage drinkers while having a watchful neighbor and a boyfriend on probation. I think some people who drink too much, especially young people, think of themselves as invincible-even if they may be scared of something- and IMO and of course it's from observation and MSM info, this falls more in line with how KS was acting on that particular night.

 

[LisaB]

The house arrest thing for the bf i dont get - did the take him in because there was a booze party in his house or because he had been drinking or both? Im thinkin that he was originally suppose to be home until the cops showed up....and kourtne too...what a strange turn of events... this must be why that friend said she didnt think kourtne was going out that night.

Hold on a sec... weren't we told that her BF and his dog were at his parents' home that night? That confuses me. I also think that if he was arrested before 3:45a and jailed until after 7:30a, her family would be correct in stating that he had an airtight alibi.

 

[Truman]

I'm revisiting this, I don't think we ever sorted it out...

From http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/kortne_stouffer_disappeared_am.html -
"In an interview this week, Janice Ri*and Rich Sh*, who live in the apartment below Kortne’s, said they saw Kortne kick and swing at Todd Sa*, who lives in the other half of the duplex."

From: http://www.ldnews.com/crime/ci_21212616/search-missing-palmyra-woman-intensifies -
"Todd Sa*, who owns the house adjoining Stouffer's apartment, said he did not know the young woman well and did not hear any disturbance on Sunday morning."

So which is it?


B&*BM