PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[ktgirl]

I'm hoping this will be like the Mickey Shunick case.

Nothing- nothing- nothing- nothing *BAM*

Very, very bad man arrested seemingly out of the blue.

But it wasn't out of the blue.

LE had been silently building their case for weeks & weeks.

In that case, a LOT of community tips were used. When people thought no one was talking, everyone was talking.

I was impressed by how it was handled, but not after being extremely frustrated by the evident 'nothing'

I hope the nothing we're getting is that kind of nothing.


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Said so well. Hoping it's what happens here as well (but with a live Kortne coming home)

 

[Donamena]

Said so well. Hoping it's what happens here as well (but with a live Kortne coming home)

Well said, kt & jury. I have not followed this from the beginning, & only knew of Jury's interest. I have noticed that cases can be greatly influenced by the victim's lifestyle, occupation, family influence.
I hope that this is like Mickey Shunick "nothing, nothing, nothing *BAM*
There seems to be a great deal of info, but nothing happening. One would hope that means that LE is sitting on something. One would hope

 

[jillnors2]

I also dont think we need to know what LE knows!

If I lived in Palmyra and had a teenage or young daughter I WOULD want to know what LE is doing and if there was a threat in the neighborhood. I can't believe they haven't had a press conference. I'm sure the community is very disturbed by this missing young woman.

 

[PalmyraDad]

If I lived in Palmyra and had a teenage or young daughter I WOULD want to know what LE is doing and if there was a threat in the neighborhood. I can't believe they haven't had a press conference. I'm sure the community is very disturbed by this missing young woman.

I wish that were the case but I'm getting the feeling from a lot of folks around town that they have moved on. People aren't talking about Kortne as much as they were even a week ago. Media isn't covering the story because in their minds there isn't anything to cover, which is ridiculous. There are many questions that they have yet to even ask, much less report about. Plus, there have been contradictions in reports that have not been cleared up. They have a short attention span because we have a short attention span, which is a shame.

I'm encouraged by some things I'm seeing, though. There were a couple events today to raise money for the reward fund and there is a community prayer night this Monday. Her family is not giving up, either. They're still seeking answers and still seeking Kortne. I can only trust that Palmyra PD, the Lebanon County detectives and DA and whoever is assisting them are still seeking too because they aren't saying a peep publicly.

I sincerely hope that what Jury has said will come to pass. Maybe we're seeing a repeat of the Mickey Shunick case. Tonight makes 6 weeks..

 

[Donamena]

I wish that were the case but I'm getting the feeling from a lot of folks around town that they have moved on. People aren't talking about Kortne as much as they were even a week ago. Media isn't covering the story because in their minds there isn't anything to cover, which is ridiculous. There are many questions that they have yet to even ask, much less report about. Plus, there have been contradictions in reports that have not been cleared up. They have a short attention span because we have a short attention span, which is a shame.

I'm encouraged by some things I'm seeing, though. There were a couple events today to raise money for the reward fund and there is a community prayer night this Monday. Her family is not giving up, either. They're still seeking answers and still seeking Kortne. I can only trust that Palmyra PD, the Lebanon County detectives and DA and whoever is assisting them are still seeking too because they aren't saying a peep publicly.

I sincerely hope that what Jury has said will come to pass. Maybe we're seeing a repeat of the Mickey Shunick case. Tonight makes 6 weeks..

I know nothing of your area, or of your passion. I know that Jury & ktgirl have admirable instincts, since I have seen them at work.

I know that Mickey Shunick's case was different than most, perhaps that's why it was resolved in such a time & such a manner.

In this area of southwest Louisiana, one can walk into a room of 100 people & be related to 50 of them by blood, & have never met them, & the other 50 by familial interconnections, e.g. In-laws, friends, friends of in-laws. In that sense we are a closed community. We gossip. Mightily.

You must never give up. We didn't. People talk..it always happens this way. One can only hope that your LE can play it as it lays, & close to the vest. Just don't stop.

 

[jcinquisitive]

Hmmm....someone posted an idea i never heard of before and that thought was perhaps Kortne realized the cops were summoned a second time that and fled the premises for fear of being arrested or fined. Maybe cp took off with her also which would account for why no one answered her door. Perhaps cp returned to the apartment alone afterwards...or perhaps neither one went back to her place. Leaving one to wonder, where did they go, who were they with, and what happened to kortne. Cp SAYS he fell asleep and awoke to find her gone, but he may have gone for coffee a 730 am from a completely different house or town. Was the car he was driving there when cops came the second time? Most likely he couldnt park in her small lot due to the tenants cars, so doubtful the neighbors or cops even took notice of his car at all that nite. So whos to say he was there to sleep?. Now im thinking that kortne and cp took off before the cops came a second time, suspecting theyd be coming, and fearing arrest. It would make sense to leave her cell and purse there if she planned on returning in a short time. So my thoughts now are that kortne and cp fled, because the cops wouldnt be happy with them, and they ended up somewhere else, and that "somewhere" is where kortne disappeared from. Did cp PASS the lie detector testz. How about mr?

 

[scorekeeper]

I may have asked this before....

Did Kortne post regularly on her facebook page before she vanished?

TIA

 

[JurysOut]

I know nothing of your area, or of your passion. I know that Jury & ktgirl have admirable instincts, since I have seen them at work.

I know that Mickey Shunick's case was different than most, perhaps that's why it was resolved in such a time & such a manner.

In this area of southwest Louisiana, one can walk into a room of 100 people & be related to 50 of them by blood, & have never met them, & the other 50 by familial interconnections, e.g. In-laws, friends, friends of in-laws. In that sense we are a closed community. We gossip. Mightily.

You must never give up. We didn't. People talk..it always happens this way. One can only hope that your LE can play it as it lays, & close to the vest. Just don't stop.

Thanks, Doña. Nice to see you here, my friend.

It seems like very few people in the area are even aware of Kortne's disappearance. I have a flier on my office door & a bumper sticker in my car window and I wear a rainbow peace sign ribbon on my lapel. Every person that's even noticed has asked if I know Kortne. I tell them that I don't but SHE'S FRICKIN' MISSING!

This case is odd. No clear facts, a couple of possibles, no POI...and it's more than a month later. 6 weeks tonight.

The longer it goes on the more I sense a bit of 'yeah, but....' all around me. Yeah, but she was kind of a pain in the @$$. Yeah, but she prolly smoked a lot of weed. Yeah, but she was a snarky smartass. Yeah, but she was a bit of a hell raiser..

Yeah, but……she's no less valuable for any of that. Who among us hasn't had a rocky or wild patch in their lives? Very few, I'd wager. Getting past that and moving forward is all part of finding your place in the world. Kortne deserves to get past her rough patch just as we did.

This girl reminds me of myself at that age. Old school flower child, but for me it was the first time around. 5'9", blonde hair to my waist, I weighed 113 lbs when I got married. It's gotten so that I think of Kortne when Yoko Ono drops into rotation on my play list. It's almost as though my own youth is missing. Strange feeling. Maybe I feel more protective of Kortne because of that.

I think about all the unwise things I did....but it was a different time. I could get on a city bus in bare feet..and did. Wearing pavement dusting skirts and braided leather headbands. Head shops and record stores and sit ins. "all we are saaying - is give peace a chance.."

YouTube - John Lennon - Give Peace A Chance

 

[JurysOut]

Hmmm....someone posted an idea i never heard of before and that thought was perhaps Kortne realized the cops were summoned a second time that and fled the premises for fear of being arrested or fined. Maybe cp took off with her also which would account for why no one answered her door. Perhaps cp returned to the apartment alone afterwards...or perhaps neither one went back to het place. Leaving one to wonder, where did they go, who were they with, and what happened to kortne. Cp SAYS he fell asleep and awoke to find her gone, but he may have gone for coffee a 730 am from a completely different house or town. Was the car he was driving there ehen cops came the second time? Or, if he didnt park it in her parking area, which he probably didnt, then maybeno one knows where his car was or when it was moved. Now im thinking that kortne and cp took off before the fops came a second time, suspecting theyd be coming, and fearing arrest.

I've heard that rumor around town.

That presupposes that Kortne knew the neighbor called LE and it doesn't explain why she didn't take her phone, cigarettes or car.

And it doesn't explain why she's still gone 6 weeks later.

Why wouldn't CP park MR's car in Kortne's parking area? She has two spaces. Is that right, PDad?

 

[Donamena]

Thanks, Doña. Nice to see you here, my friend.

It seems like very few people in the area are even aware of Kortne's disappearance. I have a flier on my office door & a bumper sticker in my car window and I wear a rainbow peace sign ribbon on my lapel. Every person that's even noticed has asked if I know Kortne. I tell them that I don't but SHE'S FRICKIN' MISSING!

This case is odd. No clear facts, a couple of possibles, no POI...and it's more than a month later. 6 weeks tonight.

The longer it goes on the more I sense a bit of 'yeah, but....' all around me. Yeah, but she was kind of a pain in the @$$. Yeah, but she prolly smoked a lot of weed. Yeah, but she was a snarky smartass. Yeah, but she was a bit of a hell raiser..

Yeah, but……she's no less valuable for any of that. Who among us hasn't had a rocky or wild patch in their lives? Very few, I'd wager. Getting past that and moving forward is all part of finding your place in the world. Kortne deserves to get past her rough patch just as we did.

This girl reminds me of myself at that age. Old school flower child, but for me it was the first time around. 5'9", blonde hair to my waist, I weighed 113 lbs when I got married. It's gotten so that I think of Kortne when Yoko Ono drops into rotation on my play list. It's almost as though my own youth is missing. Strange feeling. Maybe I feel more protective of Kortne because of that.

I think about all the unwise things I did....but it was a different time. I could get on a city bus in bare feet..and did. Wearing pavement dusting skirts and braided leather headbands. Head shops and record stores and sit ins. "all we are saaying - is give peace a chance.."

YouTube - John Lennon - Give Peace A Chance

And every time I think of that, it's me as well, New Orleans, Tremé, different world. But back then, there was Alcala. Evil will always be there. We just have to know how to deal w/ it. Same as ever...
I only know the obvious: who wanted to hurt her..who was able to hurt her..& when & where they able to do it?? I don't know enough. I'm far away. But I'll look. Another set of eyes & brain won't hurt. Even a New Orleans one.

 

[scorekeeper]

Kortne, where are you???

Please come home safe.

Welcome, Donamena; help us out here!

 

[PalmyraDad]

I've heard that rumor around town.

That presupposes that Kortne knew the neighbor called LE and it doesn't explain why she didn't take her phone, cigarettes or car.

And it doesn't explain why she's still gone 6 weeks later.

Why wouldn't CP park MR's car in Kortne's parking area? She has two spaces. Is that right, PDad?

That is correct. 810 has two parking spaces each for the upstairs and downstairs tenants.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Thanks, Doña. Nice to see you here, my friend.

It seems like very few people in the area are even aware of Kortne's disappearance. I have a flier on my office door & a bumper sticker in my car window and I wear a rainbow peace sign ribbon on my lapel. Every person that's even noticed has asked if I know Kortne. I tell them that I don't but SHE'S FRICKIN' MISSING!

This case is odd. No clear facts, a couple of possibles, no POI...and it's more than a month later. 6 weeks tonight.

The longer it goes on the more I sense a bit of 'yeah, but....' all around me. Yeah, but she was kind of a pain in the @$$. Yeah, but she prolly smoked a lot of weed. Yeah, but she was a snarky smartass. Yeah, but she was a bit of a hell raiser..

Yeah, but……she's no less valuable for any of that. Who among us hasn't had a rocky or wild patch in their lives? Very few, I'd wager. Getting past that and moving forward is all part of finding your place in the world. Kortne deserves to get past her rough patch just as we did.

This girl reminds me of myself at that age. Old school flower child, but for me it was the first time around. 5'9", blonde hair to my waist, I weighed 113 lbs when I got married. It's gotten so that I think of Kortne when Yoko Ono drops into rotation on my play list. It's almost as though my own youth is missing. Strange feeling. Maybe I feel more protective of Kortne because of that.

I think about all the unwise things I did....but it was a different time. I could get on a city bus in bare feet..and did. Wearing pavement dusting skirts and braided leather headbands. Head shops and record stores and sit ins. "all we are saaying - is give peace a chance.."

YouTube - John Lennon - Give Peace A Chance

Thank you for this beautiful post.

 

[Lois Lane]

I may have asked this before....

Did Kortne post regularly on her facebook page before she vanished?

TIA

If she did, she did so with her privacy settings tweaked away from "Public."

Prior to July 2011, she commented frequently with a "Public" setting. Those comments and responses to them give some insight to how she rolled with her life's ups and downs.

In July 2011 she either wised up and changed her privacy settings or stopped using her Facebook account as a means of expression/communication. That was right about the time that her relationship with the boyfriend began.

 

[JurysOut]

If she did, she did so with her privacy settings tweaked away from "Public."

Prior to July 2011, she commented frequently with a "Public" setting. Those comments and responses to them give some insight to how she rolled with her life's ups and downs.

In July 2011 she either wised up and changed her privacy settings or stopped using her Facebook account as a means of expression/communication. That was right about the time that her relationship with the boyfriend began.

Could have been when she converted to Timeline?

IIRC, you had to walk through your settings or there was a settings reminder. Something caused me to tweak my settings when I switched over.


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[Lois Lane]

Could have been when she converted to Timeline?

IIRC, you had to walk through your settings or there was a settings reminder. Something caused me to tweak my settings when I switched over.


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That crossed my mind, but Facebook didn't introduce the Timeline until Sept. 22, 2011 at the F8 Conference. It was made available shortly thereafter under a Developers App, but the rollout for most users was delayed due to a court challenge.

It is possible that Facebook had a different change/tweaking regarding security settings taking place in late June/early July of 2011. They are notorious about that and I can vaguely remember some brouhaha among the users that predated the F8 Conference.

ETA: The Facebook change that I can vaguely recall is their introduction of the Subscription options. I'm fairly certain that took place last summer and that Facebook defaulted accounts so that anyone could subscribe to anyone's account without having to be FB Friends. Users had to change their privacy settings to prevent Joe Public from subscribing. I think the resulting brouhaha caused FB to change the Subscription default setting to off rather than on.

 

[Lois Lane]

Another possibility as to why her Facebook habits/practices may have changed when they did is that the boyfriend's legal issues accelerated in mid-July 2011. It's possible that there had been things in the Public view that were detrimental to his case and under advisement her FB usage/practices could have changed and possibly some things deleted that could have harmed him from a legal perspective.

That is pure speculation on my part.

 

[jcinquisitive]

Or as in the case of my 22 nd 27 yr old....they learn that employees look, and also that parents/family cant help putting in their 2 cents where its not wanted, haha!

 

[epiphany]

Or as in the case of my 22 nd 27 yr old....they learn that employees look, and also that parents/family cant help putting in their 2 cents where its not wanted, haha!

Agree. Once the over 30 group and the middle-aged began joining Facebook in droves a couple of years ago, many of the late teens and young adults began using FB in a different way, or moved to different social networks.

My young adults and their peers stopped using FB this way when their parents, adult relatives, employers, professors, etc. all jumped on.

 

[JurysOut]

Agree. Once the over 30 group and the middle-aged began joining Facebook in droves a couple of years ago, many of the late teens and young adults began using FB in a different way, or moved to different social networks.

My young adults and their peers stopped using FB this way when their parents, adult relatives, employers, professors, etc. all jumped on.

I was on Facebook before my children.
They were still on MySpace.


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