PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[JurysOut]

I just have a very difficult time believing that LE hasn't already identified those people who hold that information. It's just a matter of getting them to give up the information. I just really have a difficult time putting together a stranger abduction scenario together. The time frames are just too tight. Also, that would seem like an extremely odd time of day for a stranger to be involved.

I agree with you.

Over the past couple of days I've been turning over and over in my mind the last call to LE.

I don't know how many of you have ever experienced a police cruiser parked near your house in the dead of night. I used to live across the street from a man that was constantly being watched. He was a small time drug dealer, perfectly nice man with little kids, good neighbor, he just sold drugs..

Whenever a cruiser was parked in the street at night and I was asleep, it always woke me up. The yellow flashers are going and not only are they flashing, they're making a tink tink noise every time they blink, the radio's crackling & babbling...it's a very obvious presence, from my experience.

Given the hubbub of the night in question and the hour that it took place, is it probable that no one - NO ONE - in that neighborhood observed a cruiser or heard a police car or heard LE knocking? I don't think that's very probable.

If no one saw a car or an officer and no one heard a car or an officer, logic would dictate that the car and officer weren't there. It seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

If you can't hear or see something that you know exists, how can it be present? (I'm not including David Copperfield in this line of thinking)

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Palmyra uses stealth cruisers, IDK.

But for now, I'm going with if no one heard them or saw them, they simply weren't there.

I'm a logic based person.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I just have a very difficult time believing that LE hasn't already identified those people who hold that information. It's just a matter of getting them to give up the information. I just really have a difficult time putting together a stranger abduction scenario together. The time frames are just too tight. Also, that would seem like an extremely odd time of day for a stranger to be involved.

I know we don't know if the 4:15 responding officer knocked on the two apt doors or not but perhaps Kortne heard the officer knock and left her apartment at that time.

 

[scorekeeper]

Kortne, where are you???

My heart breaks for her family/friends and all the friends here at WS. It's so hard to keep the thread going without ANY information/updates from LE. It's like LE 'made' her disappear...I mean, perhaps not literally, but it seems like they are okay with her being gone...

I sometimes think about getting in my car and driving to PA to look for her. I feel some of you would be right there beside me!!

Please, please come home.

 

[reedus23]

I know we don't know if the 4:15 responding officer knocked on the two apt doors or not but perhaps Kortne heard the officer knock and left her apartment at that time.

It certainly is a possibility. I just keep thinking though, that even psychos need to sleep. If it were a stranger, I could see him trolling after bars close, maybe even a bit longer. But at some point, they call it a night and go out again the next day. 4:30 or later in the morning just seems like an odd time to me if it were a stranger abduction. And I think 4:30 is just too early for a stranger to start trolling if he just got up early. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just think the chances that someone happened upon her at that time of day is slim. How many cars are on the road anyhow at 4:30 in the morning in that area?

 

[jadejazzkayla]

It certainly is a possibility. I just keep thinking though, that even psychos need to sleep. If it were a stranger, I could see him trolling after bars close, maybe even a bit longer. But at some point, they call it a night and go out again the next day. 4:30 or later in the morning just seems like an odd time to me if it were a stranger abduction. And I think 4:30 is just too early for a stranger to start trolling if he just got up early. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just think the chances that someone happened upon her at that time of day is slim. How many cars are on the road anyhow at 4:30 in the morning in that area?

bbm.. the police officer who was at Kortne's apt at about 4:15 could answer that question.

 

[scorekeeper]

:waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting:

 

[LivingJuicy]

and nothing.

Thanks to all of you still posting and actively searching. You guys are keeping this thread going.

I haven't been on top if this but was hoping for some news.

So sad.

 

[JurysOut]

bbm.. the police officer who was at Kortne's apt at about 4:15 could answer that question.

Call came in at 4:12, officer (supposedly) arrived at 4:31, departed at 4:36.

 

[StacyMarie83]

I agree with you.

Over the past couple of days I've been turning over and over in my mind the last call to LE.

I don't know how many of you have ever experienced a police cruiser parked near your house in the dead of night. I used to live across the street from a man that was constantly being watched. He was a small time drug dealer, perfectly nice man with little kids, good neighbor, he just sold drugs..

Whenever a cruiser was parked in the street at night and I was asleep, it always woke me up. The yellow flashers are going and not only are they flashing, they're making a tink tink noise every time they blink, the radio's crackling & babbling...it's a very obvious presence, from my experience.

Given the hubbub of the night in question and the hour that it took place, is it probable that no one - NO ONE - in that neighborhood observed a cruiser or heard a police car or heard LE knocking? I don't think that's very probable.

If no one saw a car or an officer and no one heard a car or an officer, logic would dictate that the car and officer weren't there. It seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

If you can't hear or see something that you know exists, how can it be present? (I'm not including David Copperfield in this line of thinking)

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Palmyra uses stealth cruisers, IDK.

But for now, I'm going with if no one heard them or saw them, they simply weren't there.

I'm a logic based person.

I completely agree and can back up the "if no one heard them or saw them, they simply weren't there" theory. Besides what is known as a "cop knock", there were nosey neighbors (not saying this in a mean way, I am one myself lol) who were calling the cops, hearing stomping, were obviously disturbed by Kortne on more than one occasion BUT NO ONE HEARD/SEEN a cop car/suv/truck?! Highly doubtful IMO Even, if he/she didn't use his lights, sirens, and so happened to have the window up to block the scanner noise, you would still here "THUD, THUD, THUD"

I also find it hard to believe that it is a stranger abduction (although it cannot be completely ruled out until Kortne comes home). This is a very frustrating case (aren't they all)

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Again, the citizens of Palmyra should DEMAND information about the 3rd police visit!!! That was a PUBLIC SERVANT in the line of duty! Was that duty even performed?! Why the silence on this matter?! Unacceptable!!!

 

[reedus23]

I know some are upset that the 3rd cops name hasn't been provided. Just curious, how many have actually called LE and asked them for the name? I would like to know what LE's response was too. TIA

 

[scorekeeper]

Call came in at 4:12, officer (supposedly) arrived at 4:31, departed at 4:36.

BBM

Fastest cop I've ever seen then.....also had to knock on two doors

Nope, I say - they drove around a couple times

which is okay to say....

 

[scorekeeper]

Kortne, where are you???

 

[cluciano63]

I know some are upset that the 3rd cops name hasn't been provided. Just curious, how many have actually called LE and asked them for the name? I would like to know what LE's response was too. TIA

I did contact media about this, but no replies.
But I thought it was strange that in one of the articles, LE mentioned that a Freedom of Info request would provide answers to some of these questions. I also asked the media if they had put in for this, but again, no replies.

 

[PalmyraDad]

Rapidly approaching 7 weeks. No leads. No suspects. No POIs. No pressers. No answers. No comment.

Where is Kortne?

 

[cluciano63]

Rapidly approaching 7 weeks. No leads. No suspects. No POIs. No pressers. No answers. No comment.

Where is Kortne?

Can the public make use of the FOIA or just the media?
Would be interesting to see the write-ups of the police logs.

 

[IndyEyes]

Rapidly approaching 7 weeks. No leads. No suspects. No POIs. No pressers. No answers. No comment.

Where is Kortne?

I feel ineffective in my attempts to capture the media's attention about this. Frustrated that the LE (and the "multiple other agencies") won't release even a crumb, much less make an announcement ruling out the random stranger abduction theory. Please let today be the day we get some resolution.

 

[PalmyraDad]

I feel ineffective in my attempts to capture the media's attention about this. Frustrated that the LE (and the "multiple other agencies") won't release even a crumb, much less make an announcement ruling out the random stranger abduction theory. Please let today be the day we get some resolution.

It's terribly frustrating but I encourage you to keep reaching out to local media. We have to keep nudging them and reminding them to stay on the story and not let Kortne become yesterday's news. Every time I look at her mom's FB it strengthens my resolve to keep seeking.

 

[jillnors2]

Is the crime scene tape still up? I wonder if Kortne's boyfriend is back living in the apartment.

 

[nervous_nellie]

could he be living there if the tape was still up? or is the tape somewhere other than the door?