PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[Eileen730]

Why isnt anyone looking for her?

 

[jcinquisitive]

I don't usually "bump" cases up to the front page, as it always knocks someone else back...but Kortne's case is not quite two months along and there has been NOTHING about her in the media for ages, other than reports of vigils. This is beyond ridiculous. It is as clear as it can be that she did not just walk off, IMO. Is anything at all being done?

Doubtful anything is being done because the last newspaper article was around Sept 10th to say there was a prayer vigil for her, other than that the last release of news was the last week of August, and that was just the police saying what they should have said after the first week of her disappearance, and that was about the 3 police calls in one days time....anyone's guess as to why they kept that under their belts for over a month, ridiculous!
Nothing in the news. Mom reports on her FB that they are discouraged. The parents admit there is no new news, they are discouraged...that's an indication that LE has nothing.
We don't even know if CP passed the lie detector test.
It's as if LE wants this story to disappear from the news.
I'm astounded they have NEVER come out and made a public statement of some sort to let the community know if they are safe, not safe, etc....
At this point, I think only her parents can stir things up again, perhaps they need a more aggressive lawyer.
My opinion on this whole thing is that Kortne is being done a disservice.

 

[Boots]

I don't usually "bump" cases up to the front page, as it always knocks someone else back...but Kortne's case is not quite two months along and there has been NOTHING about her in the media for ages, other than reports of vigils. This is beyond ridiculous. It is as clear as it can be that she did not just walk off, IMO. Is anything at all being done?

As far as I know nothing is being done. Her disappearance is not really even being talked about anymore. Very sad.

 

[JaimeSommers]

As far as I know nothing is being done. Her disappearance is not really even being talked about anymore. Very sad.

I wish someone here was a verified insider who knew the parents. I'd really like to know what they've been told by LE. They seem so quiet -- everyone does.

(To clarify, I understand we're owed nothing from the parents or LE. It would at least be helpful, though, for someone verified to say, "I'm not going to tell you what they're talking about, but they're talking to LE every day." At least it would be something, imo.)

 

[AmorAlways]

Too quiet.. nothing being said even if foul play suspected or walking off freely. Where are your kortne?

 

[Annie1004]

Not to mention the search warrant IIRC stated "kidnapping" on its first page. There is something very seriously wrong with Kortne's disappearance, and even worse the behavior of LE. Where is the community's and her parents' outrage?!

 

[jcinquisitive]

Not to mention the search warrant IIRC stated "kidnapping" on its first page. There is something very seriously wrong with Kortne's disappearance, and even worse the behavior of LE. Where is the community's and her parents' outrage?!

Its hard for the community to feel outrage if her parents arent showing outrage....since they
are keeping as quiet as LE then the community thinks theres a good reason for the quietness. If the parents arent forward enough to stir the pot and keep it stirred, then they need a different lawyer one who will do it for them. The parents had two good opportunities on Jvm show and i painfully watched them blow it both times. She was pulling teeth trying to get info from them, all i can imagine is LE told them to keep mum. This is a complicated, interesting story....had they invoked JVM to grab a stea
dfast interest, shed be doing a lot of the work in getting LE to answer up and shed be following the progress. Im not dissing the parents because i never want to go thru their experience....but i think JVM or Nancy may still grab the story IF and only IF the parents are willing to tell what they know
, what they have been told, and what they suspect. Someone needs to put the 4 men with her that nite in front of the media, heck we dont even know who the other two are! The media needs to expose all the people she fought with that nite. They need to bring her friends forward, her boyfriend too. The neighbors need coals lit under them to TALK?
I fear if they dont stir it up now that this story is history and its just not fair to Kortne.

 

[jcinquisitive]

Its like ALL the characters, family and LE are keeping things as secretive and as quiet as they possibly can, and not wanting to put ANY info out to the public purposefully. Dont blame it on the media or community...the people i mentioned re the ones who should be outraged and demanding answers.

 

[Chanler]

I don't agree that there is anything necessarily wrong with law enforcement in this case.

The hideous truth is the case has reached a still point and won't go much beyond until a body is found. I feel bad writing that because on one level we all hold out hope, but it's probably true. I also believe that given what we know about Kortne, her size, her attractiveness, her feistiness, and the difficult night that she had had, that a sexual attack is most likely the first crime that led to the second. Rapists usually don't have accomplices and one facing a murder charge might not have informants either.

All that said, I honestly hope that I'm wrong about everything.

 

[jcinquisitive]

Point

I don't agree that there is anything necessarily wrong with law enforcement in this case.

The hideous truth is the case has reached a still point and won't go much beyond until a body is found. I feel bad writing that because on one level we all hold out hope, but it's probably true. I also believe that given what we know about Kortne, her size, her attractiveness, her feistiness, and the difficult night that she had had, that a sexual attack is most likely the first crime that led to the second. Rapists usually don't have accomplices and one facing a murder charge might not have informants either.

All that said, I honestly hope that I'm wrong about everything.

"Reached a still point"? This case never reached anything....it never was allowed to reach ANY point do the hording of evidence and details.

 

[JurysOut]

Point

"Reached a still point"? This case never reached anything....it never was allowed to reach ANY point do the hording of evidence and details.

And not having a body isn't always a dead end. The Mickey Shunick case is a perfect example. LE got the body location in the perp's plea deal.

LE is still in my crosshairs and will remain there until some clarifications are offered. Everybody's in my crosshairs. Kortne did not simply dematerialize.

I live ~5 miles away. I'm plenty outraged.

I've emailed, called, messaged, tweeted every single person and entity I could think of. I have Kortne's flier in my office and a bumper sticker in the rear window of my car. I have not forgotten her.

I don't have any desire to push the issue far enough to be charged with interfering with the investigation. Some of us are probably already skating on the edge of drawing untoward attention.

I believe it's not a bad idea for the AG to be involved at this point. If only to allay community anxiety.

 

[Eileen730]

Its hard for the community to feel outrage if her parents arent showing outrage....since they
are keeping as quiet as LE then the community thinks theres a good reason for the quietness. If the parents arent forward enough to stir the pot and keep it stirred, then they need a different lawyer one who will do it for them. The parents had two good opportunities on Jvm show and i painfully watched them blow it both times. She was pulling teeth trying to get info from them, all i can imagine is LE told them to keep mum. This is a complicated, interesting story....had they invoked JVM to grab a stea
dfast interest, shed be doing a lot of the work in getting LE to answer up and shed be following the progress. Im not dissing the parents because i never want to go thru their experience....but i think JVM or Nancy may still grab the story IF and only IF the parents are willing to tell what they know
, what they have been told, and what they suspect. Someone needs to put the 4 men with her that nite in front of the media, heck we dont even know who the other two are! The media needs to expose all the people she fought with that nite. They need to bring her friends forward, her boyfriend too. The neighbors need coals lit under them to TALK?
I fear if they dont stir it up now that this story is history and its just not fair to Kortne.

It seems they dont want to stir the pot!
But for what reason?

 

[jcinquisitive]

And not having a body isn't always a dead end. The Mickey Shunick case is a perfect example. LE got the body location in the perp's plea deal.

LE is still in my crosshairs and will remain there until some clarifications are offered. Everybody's in my crosshairs. Kortne did not simply dematerialize.

I live ~5 miles away. I'm plenty outraged.

I've emailed, called, messaged, tweeted every single person and entity I could think of. I have Kortne's flier in my office and a bumper sticker in the rear window of my car. I have not forgotten her.

I don't have any desire to push the issue far enough to be charged with interfering with the investigation. Some of us are probably already skating on the edge of drawing untoward attention.

I believe it's not a bad idea for the AG to be involved at this point. If only to allay community anxiety.

I didn't realize you were close also, I live a couple miles away. I agree that it is being kept so uncannily hush hush that any "pushing" on someones part who isn't a relative or media would constitute a red flag. Have you ever witnessed anything being kept so quiet? It almost makes me afraid to even post opinions on here. And I just don't get how the family isn't putting themselves out there more for their daughter??? I only know if it were my child and LE only kept me discouraged I'd try different avenues. But...other than an occasional prayer vigil, it's like the family has given up keeping people focused...and THEY have to do it because LE seems to want to keep everyone unfocused.

 

[reedus23]

I hope that lawyer either didn't charge the family or gave all their money back. From what I can tell, he hasn't done a darn thing for them. He should have been out front of this from the outset, talking to the press even if there was nothing new to report, but keeping it in the public eye in order to in return keep LE's feet to the fire.

 

[jcinquisitive]

I hope that lawyer either didn't charge the family or gave all their money back. From what I can tell, he hasn't done a darn thing for them. He should have been out front of this from the outset, talking to the press even if there was nothing new to report, but keeping it in the public eye in order to in return keep LE's feet to the fire.

Lawyer is a family friend.

 

[Chanler]

Point

"Reached a still point"? This case never reached anything....it never was allowed to reach ANY point do the hording of evidence and details.

Hi, JCInquisitive. The police aren't a public news service; they release information when it becomes useful to do so. They would be irresponsible if they acted as if they were a media service and indeed releasing the evidence and details that you claim they are hoarding might make more difficult to procure a conviction.

At this point, it seems logical to assume that law enforcement regards Kortne's abduction as originating outside the apartment building. Beyond that point, there is either a wall or investigation of leads at a rudimentary stage.

 

[Chanler]

And not having a body isn't always a dead end. The Mickey Shunick case is a perfect example. LE got the body location in the perp's plea deal.

LE is still in my crosshairs and will remain there until some clarifications are offered. Everybody's in my crosshairs. Kortne did not simply dematerialize.

I live ~5 miles away. I'm plenty outraged.

I've emailed, called, messaged, tweeted every single person and entity I could think of. I have Kortne's flier in my office and a bumper sticker in the rear window of my car. I have not forgotten her.

I don't have any desire to push the issue far enough to be charged with interfering with the investigation. Some of us are probably already skating on the edge of drawing untoward attention.

I believe it's not a bad idea for the AG to be involved at this point. If only to allay community anxiety.

Hi, JurysOut. Obviously, you're a good citizen.

As you note, the Mickey Shunick case is a homicide in which the arrest of the perpetrator preceded the discovery of the body. But don't forget the context: The rapist/killer was a registered, known, convicted sex offender who had gone to a hospital soon after the crime with extensive injuries. It was nearly two months after the murder that he was arrested or mentioned in the press. And 13 years previously, he had been an arrested suspect in the murder of another woman, who indeed he had killed. Obviously, a guy like this places himself on the radar.

In addition, I should note also that Shunick's father wisely and specifically asked detectives to keep details about the case to themselves.

In cases like these, law enforcement receives hundreds and hundreds of email and phone tips, all of which have to be checked out. (In the Shunick case, the tally was nearly 1,200.) This, of course, is going beyond what is reported.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

LE's actions or lack thereof reek of a confidential informant gone missing scenario. Could explain some of Kortne's strange association with lowlifes, criminals, and losers. Did they lose her or did she lose them? The more I go back and review the details we know and the actions of LE, the more the "lost CI" theory makes sense.

 

[reedus23]

Lawyer is a family friend.

Thanks. Maybe he's too close then? Maybe a non-family friend would push a bit harder or be in a position to give advice that might be tough for the family to hear? Just random thoughts.

 

[jillnors2]

I work in Hummelstown, very close to Palmyra, no one here at work has ever even heard about this case. Very sad.