PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #5

[Abstar80]

I personally think too much weight is being put on CP because he was the last person with her. I think it is completely reasonable that he passed out after a night of partying and thought that she did the same thing. I went to a wedding a few months back, didn't drink, but was so exhausted by the end of it that I laid on the bed and fell asleep in what I was wearing for about 12 hours. I think if everyone thinks about it they have all had nights like that. I also wonder if maybe when LE knocked the second time CP was passed out and KS may have been in the shower...My question is Did the dogs bark when LE attended the second time? I would think they would have been going off with all the commotion going on.

The "what happened' text seems a natural thing to text. Bit like "hey you were there one minute, and then you were gone..what happened" That to me says he actually cares where she might have gone. I think SnoopJohnB makes and excellent point that yes he did pass a lie detector test. And I think at the end of the day whether we agree with how LE conducted themselves on the night, if they had a POI they would name them.

 

[Meri]

I found it and yes, it looks very much like her, hard to say if it's older or not, but I quickly saved the pic and will send it off to the tips line just to be sure. This could potentially be huge, if you notice she has dreds in her hair and that is a more recent change in her appearance. In the older halloween pics, there are no dreads. Impressive find and funny too because I just looked through all of her friends profile pics yesterday and did not see this. I have no clue why someone would post this as their profile pic, very bizarre. It really does look like her and the dreads are even more proof that it could be.

I remember hearing she wore her hair in dreads sometimes when she first went missing - probably in #1 thread.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Where do you go? I'm not sure. Assuming that K came to harm while CP was there, then that means that K came to harm with a protective house guest, a couple of police visits just hours before, at an ungodly hour of the morning, with neighbors already on edge and complaining about noise. How "lucky" would an assailant need be to navigate through all of that, knowingly or unknowingly? I'd start looking at Sunday morning 7:15 on and thinking about a window of time while someone would still be sleeping after a long night and before they would wake up and start answering phone messages or texts. Were the neighbors at home or at church, perhaps? Would they have had the ability to notice any cars that visited during this time period. Outside the immediate cast of characters, can you verify where some potentially interested parties might have been during that time period? I would just expand the window of opportunity as a possibility and when questioning people, ask if they can verify where they were and what they were doing during that time period as well.

I think it was after WS found that K wasn't there that the BF's father was contacted to get the other dog.

Just curious as to what's makes you think it was after WS discovered Kortne missing that the BF's father was contacted to go get the dog? I have done a lot of research regarding this topic, just as I have regarding how her car ended up back at the apartment and I have never found any clarification either way on either topic. While I agree that it would seem more logical that it may have occurred this way, I just have no proof of that.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I always got the *impression* that he expected her to sleep in the same room. He fell asleep first, and expected to see her when he woke up, but didn't, and figured she moved to another room for some reason.

http://www.abc27.com/story/19290677/possibly-the-last-person-to-see-kortne-stouffer-speaks

snip..The friend said before he fell asleep, Stouffer herself looked tired. When he woke up, he said he did not see Stouffer. He thought she might have been in another room. He said he did not know she was missing and left....

Doesn't that imply that she was in the same room with him initially? And explains the "didn't see you" text the next day?

I think I've posted enough for one day. Just wanted to mention, it was widely reported that CP passed a lie detector test. Also the police interviewed "dozens" of people. We don't know who those people are or why they were interviewed. We only know of a few people and these people were put under intense scrutiny and are not considered POI.

I'm not trying to mince words or be argumentative at all, but every article I have come across states that CP has taken a polygraph test. I can't find any that state he passed a polygraph test? If you know of any, can you please provide a link?

Then again, I guess we can assume that since he isn't a POI, that he did in fact pass the test but I really do not like to assume anything, just as I don’t like to rule anything out.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Then is it only rumor that we heard he told LE that he thought she may have been in another room sleeping? Because, the text, no matter what is says or how it's worded, does not make sense to me if he thought she could possibly be asleep in another bedroom.

I agree with you if this is the direct wording of the text. I'm not sure why we would question that this isn't the exact wording of the text, but it appears that at least one person here questions the exact wording.

 

[Eileen730]

I also would like to ask him, if he thought Kortne was in the other bedroom asleep, then why did he leave, directly go to a store and from there text her asking her what happened to her the previous night? That doesn't even make sense to me. Seems he would have at least given it a couple hours since - you know - he thought she was asleep in the other room. And if she was asleep in the other room, why not just poke your head in and ask her then? And, by the way - what does he mean by "what happened to you"?

I think the "what happend to you?"is normal I have done it!
where did ya go? What happend? I see nothing strange about that!

He could have woken up and didnt see her called her name but didnt open any bedroom doors not feeling comfortable doing so.


My question is WHO brought her car back and when??????

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I always got the *impression* that he expected her to sleep in the same room. He fell asleep first, and expected to see her when he woke up, but didn't, and figured she moved to another room for some reason.

http://www.abc27.com/story/19290677/possibly-the-last-person-to-see-kortne-stouffer-speaks

snip..The friend said before he fell asleep, Stouffer herself looked tired. When he woke up, he said he did not see Stouffer. He thought she might have been in another room. He said he did not know she was missing and left....

Doesn't that imply that she was in the same room with him initially? And explains the "didn't see you" text the next day?

I think I've posted enough for one day. Just wanted to mention, it was widely reported that CP passed a lie detector test. Also the police interviewed "dozens" of people. We don't know who those people are or why they were interviewed. We only know of a few people and these people were put under intense scrutiny and are not considered POI.

Sorry to ask so many questions, but after reviewing many of today's comments I have more questions than answers.

When considering the text message,
"I left, I didn't see you. What happened to you?"

I am trying to understand why the "didn't see you" portion of the text seems relevant from your perspective, when earlier you seemed concerned that the "what happened to you" part of the text might not be spot on. Just trying to get some clarification on this?

Your comments are below to reference.

Regarding the text message, I do not think that WS quoted it verbatim and probably did not get recite the exact text of the message.

What you are linking to is the original source for this: WS on a CNN TV interview. Other news articles repeating the content of the text are other news sources cannibalizing and repeating her CNN quote like this one: http://www.ldnews.com/ci_21275447/ko...ce=most_viewed

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I think the "what happend to you?"is normal I have done it!
where did ya go? What happend? I see nothing strange about that!

He could have woken up and didnt see her called her name but didnt open any bedroom doors not feeling comfortable doing so.


My question is WHO brought her car back and when??????

The car, and how it ended up at that apartment has always bothered me. There appear to be no answers anywhere as to how this happened. I really wish we had an answer for this, it would clear up alot of speculation and may possibly lead to answers as to what happened to Kortne.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Has anyone read the quote on KS fb in the about section??? Takes on a whole new level now I feel.
I forwarded the picture I found to the tips line but haven't heard anything. I am not great a facial comparison so was wondering if I could forward it to LivingJuicy if you could have a look at it and let me know what you think...It keeps bothering me if its her or not and I figure if someone who might have more of an idea can rule it out then I can start working from a different angle.

I have read that comment in the about section many many times, it seems almost telling to me. I also wonder when she wrote it?

I also forwarded a picture to the tips line today but haven't heard anything back either. I guess they are busy sorting through tips! Then again, we may never hear anything back at all, hard to say?

 

[Eileen730]

The car, and how it ended up at that apartment has always bothered me. There appear to be no answers anywhere as to how this happened. I really wish we had an answer for this, it would clear up alot of speculation and may possibly lead to answers as to what happened to Kortne.

I think so also because for this person to drive her car to her apt he or she needed another car to leave so that leaves 2 other ppl that could possibly be placed at this scene.

 

[sadnpod]

Its not unusual for LE not to formally name someone as a POI. IMO if LE questions you, and especially if LE requests for you to take a polygraph, then you are a POI, as LE is obviously interested in what you have to say. I don't put much weight in passing or not passing a polygraph. When LE formally names someone as a suspect, you can almost guarantee they have some evidence supporting their announcement. Honestly the only times I remember seeing this is when the suspect is on the move and its obvious they are involved. To us, and Kortne's family, it seems like a very long time since she vanished. But for an investigation, its really not that long.

I don't think CP's text is strange. I do think its strange to leave so early after a night of partying and not speak to your host first, even more so if they slept in the same room, and all the drama happening the night before. I think its strange that her bf has never spoken out, at least not that I know of. LE has not asked for the public to help with much, if anything, which makes me wonder if they know alot more than we do and don't need our help.

Its not unusual to me for friends to evaporate when you get in trouble. Not when your friends may be doing things that could also get them in trouble.

I don't think she walked away. Nor do I think she was sleeping peacefully when CP left. I think LE has the answers to most of the questions we have asked and they don't want the answers public.

MOO and all that.

 

[sadnpod]

I also think WS's posts on fb are pure anguish. Its obvious she is speaking to Kortne, but its also obvious to me that she is speaking to others as well. I don't think her posts add any merit to Kortne leaving willingly.

 

[scorekeeper]

I have read that comment in the about section many many times, it seems almost telling to me. I also wonder when she wrote it?

I also forwarded a picture to the tips line today but haven't heard anything back either. I guess they are busy sorting through tips! Then again, we may never hear anything back at all, hard to say?

can you please papaphrase what was said for those of us that do not belong to facebook?

Thanks!!

 

[mikkismom]

can you please papaphrase what was said for those of us that do not belong to facebook?

Thanks!!

About Kortne
Livin life

Life's an Adventure, full of new beginnings and unexpected endings. Live every moment like ur last and have No regrets!


hth

 

[SnoopJohnB]

Sorry to ask so many questions, but after reviewing many of today's comments I have more questions than answers.

When considering the text message,
"I left, I didn't see you. What happened to you?"

I am trying to understand why the "didn't see you" portion of the text seems relevant from your perspective, when earlier you seemed concerned that the "what happened to you" part of the text might not be spot on. Just trying to get some clarification on this?

Hi Bloodhound. I think the gist of the message was, I woke up, I didn't see you (subtext: I expected to see you). I'll call you later.

Let's consider three scenarios. Scenario one, CP did something really bad and he's a really smart guy. He already has his story down pat. Now he needs to set up a believable alibi. So he goes to a local mini mart where he knows he's going to be on camera, and he texts "What happened to you?" when his story is going to be I didn't know she was missing.

Scenario two: He really didn't know she was missing. He expected her to be sleeping in the same room. Maybe he was her protector, maybe he thought it was more than that, we don't know. But he's surprised and maybe he's hurt that she left him, so he says "What happened to you?". As in, why did you move to another room, was it something I did?

Scenario three: The gist of message was, I woke up, I didn't see you (subtext: I expected to see you,) and I don't quite understand why you decided to go to another room. I'll call you later. And WS didn't quote the text word for word on-the-spot when being under interrogation by an aggressive TV host on national tv while being under a lot of emotional stress.

To me, regardless of scenario, I don't think the text, even if accurate, is damning in any way. But, having said that, and based on other comments, and given the circumstances at the time, I highly doubt, though can't know for sure, that it was a direct word-for-word recital of the text message.

That's the best I can do to explain my thinking on this.

 

[Abstar80]

Got your resposne..cheers!

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

can you please papaphrase what was said for those of us that do not belong to facebook?

Thanks!!

Livin life Life's an Adventure, full of new beginnings and unexpected endings. Live every moment like ur last and have No regrets!

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Abstar, have you heard back from the detective about the picture submitted? I'm asking because I did get a response back.

 

[Annie1004]

I have never read or heard from LE that CP took a polygraph and passed. CP stated he took one when interviewed by LE, but nothing official. Besides, LE has been extremely quiet about the case, so it would be out of character for ANY such comment from the authorities. MOO.

 

[scorekeeper]

Abstar, have you heard back from the detective about the picture submitted? I'm asking because I did get a response back.

want to share?