GUILTY PA - Nalani Johnson, 2, Penn Hills Boro, Allegheny County, 31 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[rkendmar]

My hope is that this is what he has been hearing from others to help him get through this. Along the same lines of “he/she was too good for this earth” and “god must have needed them for something bigger”. A bunch of blah but it helps to keep thoughts positive and heal, for some people.

When we lost my sister in a horrific way at a very young age, the family received a number of platitudes such as "Everything happens for a reason," etc., which were unintentionally very, very hurtful.
Fortunately, a friend recommended 'When Bad Things Happen to Good People' by Harold Kushner.
Additionally, there are several good articles on the web which cover both what NOT to say to someone who is grieving and what to say that will not bring unintended pain to the person.
JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

When we lost my sister in a horrific way at a very young age, the family received a number of platitudes such as "Everything happens for a reason," etc., which were unintentionally very, very hurtful.
Fortunately, a friend recommended 'When Bad Things Happen to Good People' by Harold Kushner.
Additionally, there are several good articles on the web which cover both what NOT to say to someone who is grieving and what to say that will not bring unintended pain to the person.
JMO

I'm terribly sorry for your loss. (((Hugs)))

 

[Steph8angels]

When we lost my sister in a horrific way at a very young age, the family received a number of platitudes such as "Everything happens for a reason," etc., which were unintentionally very, very hurtful.
Fortunately, a friend recommended 'When Bad Things Happen to Good People' by Harold Kushner.
Additionally, there are several good articles on the web which cover both what NOT to say to someone who is grieving and what to say that will not bring unintended pain to the person.
JMO

Excellent Post
Heart Felt with understanding.

 

[katydid23]

I know the coroner said that Nalani didn't pass from exposure. Does that automatically rule out a hot car death?

In hot car deaths, there are often very specific characteristics seen in the body, as it is a very gruesome death. Hard to type but saw it clearly in past cases here.

I think it would have been noticeable if so. JMO

ETA: I followed the Justin Harris trial, in the hot car death of little Cooper Harris.
During the trial there was testimony from witnesses who tried to help revive the poor child, and one said it was very obvious he was gone, and they described the situation and it was horribly descriptive, as to what happens when a child slowly fries in a hot car.

 

[steeltowngirl]

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Yes, it's clear that is what the OP was insinuating.
However, after looking into it further, it appears that the OP was getting the alleged abductor, Sharena Nancy, and Nalani's mom mixed up.
JMO

We can sleuth Sharena Nancy. Can the OP come back in with what she has, within TOS?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In hot car deaths, there are often very specific characteristics seen in the body, as it is a very gruesome death. Hard to type but saw it clearly in past cases here.

I think it would have been noticeable if so. JMO

ETA: I followed the Justin Harris trial, in the hot car death of little Cooper Harris.
During the trial there was testimony from witnesses who tried to help revive the poor child, and one said it was very obvious he was gone, and they described the situation and it was horribly descriptive, as to what happens when a child slowly fries in a hot car.

That one tore me up Katy. I wasn’t here then but followed very closely.

 

[allycat828]

Unfortunately it seems like the DA in this case is giving public statements that haven’t been confirmed. I think he is trying to prejudice the jury pool. I don’t blame him one bit, but it’s irresponsible on his part. The coroner has even refuted his statements. So many unconfirmed things he has said.

 

[katydid23]

Unfortunately it seems like the DA in this case is giving public statements that haven’t been confirmed. I think he is trying to prejudice the jury pool. I don’t blame him one bit, but it’s irresponsible on his part. The coroner has even refuted his statements. So many unconfirmed things he has said.

Are you referring to these recent statements?

NALANI JOHNSON: Death of child who was reported kidnapped believed to be homicide

DA: Nalani Johnson's death believed to be homicide, no evidence that anyone else was involved

 

[allycat828]

Sorry that I’m not completely caught up on the recent posts here, but there is something I find very interesting in what the DA, Zappala has said. I can’t find the link, but he is quoted on record as saying something along the lines of ...Nancy left her at that location with no intentions of Nalani being found...

However, she left her in a public park by a tree. Not buried, possibly concealed in some way though. I think what the DA is getting at is that she was left there with the intentions of nobody finding her “in time”. I hate that that could be the case.

 

[allycat828]

Yes that is the news report I was looking for

 

[rkendmar]

We can sleuth Sharena Nancy. Can the OP come back in with what she has, within TOS?

3) As was posted earlier, Sharena Nancy has court records documenting multiple traffic infractions. I will look and try to locate them.
4) IMO, the OP was either getting her/his info from the SM rumor mill or had located the court records on Sharena Nancy and was confusing Nancy with Nalani's mother.
MOO

 

[allycat828]

My quote button doesn’t seem to work or it’s me, but to respond to someone earlier... As far as Dad goes, he is a very young man, thrown into the worst of circumstances. I can’t even imagine how I would react in front of a huge crowd there to mourn my daughters heartbreaking loss. He obviously didn’t mean he thought everything happens for a reason. He’s trying to make sense of this like we all are. He is doing his best. IMO

 

[rkendmar]

I can’t find the link, but he [Zappala] is quoted on record as saying something along the lines of ...Nancy left her at that location with no intentions of Nalani being found...

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Zappala is attempting to build a case for first degree murder:

"Intent: In terms of willfulness, first degree murderers must have the specific intent to end a human life. This intent does not necessarily have to correspond to the actual victim. A murder in which the killer intends to kill but kills the wrong person or a random person would still constitute first degree murder."
First Degree Murder Overview - FindLaw

 

[rkendmar]

He obviously didn’t mean he thought everything happens for a reason. He’s trying to make sense of this like we all are. He is doing his best. IMO

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Hello allycat,
Please don't take what I am about to 'say' in a wrong way as I am just giving an explanation and religious background information for sayings such as: "Everything happens for a reason." and others.

Predestination, in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God.
Some Christian denominations believe in predestination in that God has complete control of our lives and whatever happens to us is God's will.

I'm not saying this is good or bad...it is just a theological belief grounded in the writings of John Calvin.

 

[allycat828]

This is a reply to the above post by rkendmar.

I wholeheartedly agree this case should be tried as first degree murder and I understand what the DA is trying to do. I just don’t like the way he is going about this. He could be jeopardizing the case.

For example, what if the ME’s office cannot come up with a definitive cause of death. By him putting all this misinformation out, It could lead to reasonable doubt. I mean I’m just speculating. It just seems so irresponsible that he is making these bold faced statements without any evidence.

They came away from the park and said experienced LEs said it was dehydration. Then he said no signs of the elements, then he says she was likely dead before placed there. He needs to just STFU and let the M.E. do his job.

 

[allycat828]

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Hello allycat,
Please don't take what I am about to 'say' in a wrong way as I am just giving an explanation and religious background information for sayings such as: "Everything happens for a reason." and others.

Predestination, in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God.
Some Christian denominations believe in predestination in that God has complete control of our lives and whatever happens to us is God's will.

I'm not saying this is good or bad...it is just a theological belief grounded in the writings of John Calvin.

Hopefully I’ve figured out the quote thing now. Sorry y’all.

I take no offense. I get the whole everything happens for a reason in the religious sense. I’m just saying it probably wasn’t a great time for dad to have said that in that particular setting. But I’m not blaming him

 

[rkendmar]

This is a reply to the above post by rkendmar.

I wholeheartedly agree this case should be tried as first degree murder and I understand what the DA is trying to do. I just don’t like the way he is going about this. He could be jeopardizing the case.

I completely agree.
IMO Zappala is being overly aggressive and putting out 'facts' that are merely his assumptions at this stage of the game.

 

[rkendmar]

Hopefully I’ve figured out the quote thing now. Sorry y’all.

I take no offense. I get the whole everything happens for a reason in the religious sense. I’m just saying it probably wasn’t a great time for dad to have said that in that particular setting. But I’m not blaming him

I'm not blaming him.
Unfortunately for him, his public comments at his daughter's vigil came across to many as somewhat 'tone deaf.'


Comments transcribed from MSM video of Nalani's vigil (2:18):
NALANI JOHNSON: Dozens of mourners gather to remember Nalani Johnson

"I want to say thank you.
I've never seen so much love in one place, and...
it's astonishing.
I have no words for it.
I wish we could've all met on better terms...
but everything happens for a reason...
and I thank God for bringing us all here tonight."

MOO

 

[Steelslady]

Radio station KDKA said Nalani was found strapped into a car seat and could have died of dehydration, citing police officers who were on the scene.

“I can tell you there’s no sign of trauma. That’s been eliminated. The baby was fully clothed. She did not die from exposure to the elements. That’s been eliminated,” Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen Zappala told WTAE Thursday. “There’s no ligature marks, so you can eliminate strangulation.”
Death of 2-Year-Old Nalani Johnson Remains a Mystery as Coroner Delays Ruling

God awful question- wasn't there a bad rain storm one of those nights poor Nalani was out there?

 

[Steelslady]

Unfortunately it seems like the DA in this case is giving public statements that haven’t been confirmed. I think he is trying to prejudice the jury pool. I don’t blame him one bit, but it’s irresponsible on his part. The coroner has even refuted his statements. So many unconfirmed things he has said.

This is why we can't trust anything reported to the media right now. For a Medical Examiner to say basically "hold on, put the breaks on, I never said that" tells me a lot.

The DA saying she wasn't exposed to the elements- that didn't come from the coroner, did it? This is what can be confusing. I get that the DA said that because LE and those who worked hard to find her are traumatized by the horror that she might have been left out there alone to die. However, the ME's statements have me wondering which way this went. We'll have to wait for another 6 weeks to get the answers.