Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

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WHoooa. once again this is incorrect. There is a huge rate difference between vaccinated vs non-vaccinated autistic children. I have never heard of an unvaccinated autistic child, but someone on this thread said they knew one. I'd really like to meet this child's parent to have them sign up for a new study. I believe it is the University of Arizona, (I'll have to recheck my records) is conducting a study on biological siblings who have autism where one was vaccinated and one wasn't. They can't get the study off the ground, because they can not find any non-vaccinated autistic participants.

DO NOT MAKE UP STORIES TO SUPPORT YOUR POINT OF VIEW!...

I didn't make up the story. If they can't find those siblings, maybe they aren't looking hard enough.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I didn't make up the story. If they can't find those siblings, maybe they aren't looking hard enough.

So you admit they need to look hard to find them...EXACTLY MY POINT. This is What you wrote please link the name and date of the studies you are refering to.

Studies are done all the time on vaxed and unvaxed, Name one, show a link. and this is also how new vaccines (such as the HIV vaccine) are developed. It'd be unethical indeed to leave a child unvaxed to test, but since there are enough unvaxed children, a study can still be done, and many, many such studies have indeed been done. With the same result - no higher autism rates for vaxed versus unvaxed.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

"This propagation of fear by the media and by its sources in the public health industry has resulted in a growth of power of this industry far beyond the usual checks and balances of our democracy."

"One aspect of this power is the ability of many state health departments to legally mandate a new vaccination for all children completely bypassing any discussion or deliberation in that state’s legislature. In a democracy this cannot and must not be."



The above really states it all. This is what I have found through my own research into vaccine safety issues. I used to run vaccine injury support groups for families with vaccine injured members (adults and children). Their stories were heartbreaking. I received emails from as far away as Australia and Japan.

I hope everyone reading this thread understands how important this issue really is. Educate before you vaccinate. Make sure you know the risk factors for YOUR child and family members. Your children's health/future depend on this...

Exactly Kim, just look at the newest, latest and greatest vaccine for cervical cancer. Yikes, 3 deaths already linked to the vaccine? Of course the Doctor on Fox News said it was not the vaccine, but a predisposition the girls had that triggered a death response... Well, unless every girl has a test to determine if they have the predisposition, then there will be many more deaths. Exactly why I say educate before you vaccinate!

If vaccines don't cause autism, but a genetic predisposition to autism is triggered by the vaccine in 1 out of 150 children, a red light should be coming on for all well educated people.

 

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So you admit they need to look hard to find them...EXACTLY MY POINT. This is What you wrote please link the name and date of the studies you are refering to.

No - I didn't say that they were hard to find. I said if they didn't find them they weren't looking hard enough. For all I know, they asked their friends, and stopped there - not looking hard enough.

I'll find you the studies - I read them myself, went and clicked through the links to the study data directly in many cases. They all exist. I've got a daughter - I made sure I knew what the facts were. My pediatrician, likewise has children, and she gives vaccinations to them, and to hundreds of children a month. You really think we do all this when the studies show what you claim they show? Because they quite simply do not. Every type of study out there - gov't sponsored, non-gov't sponsored, in this country, in that country, etc.


I'll find the studies - but I'm not doing it now. It's out there if you're willing to look and read, and not twist words as you did with my "looking hard enough". But right now - work is busy, deadlines are approaching, and my back is thrashed. I shouldn't be on here, but I feel strongly about this - my child could lose her life due to myths about vaccines.

 

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Exactly Kim, just look at the newest, latest and greatest vaccine for cervical cancer. Yikes, 3 deaths already linked to the vaccine? Of course the Doctor on Fox News said it was not the vaccine, but a predisposition the girls had that triggered a death response... ....

We all have a predisposition to die when attacked by cancer as well. Let's look at the whole story of the vaccine - lives saved versus lives lost. Because a lot more than 3 people have died of cervical cancer.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

For the people who fail to see the problems with the CDC and FDA...you will continue to support them which is your right. To blindly accept their studies as fact is to willingly close your eyes to any problems concerning the safety of our children and vaccinations. This is your right, too. 20 years from now...when the numbers are 1 out of 5 children developing Autism instead of 1 out of 150...and your family is having to deal with it...you will look back and ask, "Why wasn't something done to prevent this?".

However, I find personally it isn't good enough for them to dole out vaccinations under a mandatory status when there is a question as to the harm it could be causing our children and our grandchildren. I have no doubt that vaccinations could be made safer. I also have no doubt people will continue to use the vaccinations which are not.

This has affected our family. I can't change it. I just want to know for an absolute medical fact that vaccinations either did or did not play a role in my grandson's lifetime of difficulties and heartbreaks. I would love nothing more than to prevent another child and family from having to experience what we are.

 

[CaliKid]

Maybe what should be looked at is a new solution to house the vaccine antibodies. If some children are supposedly acquiring side-effects from immunizations, then it's either an allergy to the antigen or to the solution it's mixed with.

 

[Marthatex]

Maybe what should be looked at is a new solution to house the vaccine antibodies. If some children are supposedly acquiring side-effects from immunizations, then it's either an allergy to the antigen or to the solution it's mixed with.

The thermesol(?), that contained mercury, has not been in the shots since 2001. The flu shot is the only one that contains it, and it is possible to get one without the mercury.

Since it was removed from the shots in 2001, it would seem that the Autism cases would be going down, not up; if indeed that was the cause or one of the causes of Autism. In other countries that stopped using the mercury sooner than we did, cases did not go down.

Some researchers believe it is caused by a change, or mutation in certain genes, long before birth of the child. As it can have higher incidence in some families, a genetic tendency is indicated.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8926283

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Then maybe the change occurred in the shots WE were given or that our now adult children were given. I just want some answers.

 

[Kim Ii]

Thimerosal is NOT out of most vaccines. You can check out that research/data at the NVIC (National Vaccine Information Center), Generation Rescue's site, and on the above posts I've taken the time to post. Dr. Boyd Haley speaks to this issue as well. See also Health Advocacy in the Public Interest Website, at this link: http://www.hapihealth.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=27

And a Snip:

Vaccine Testing
Testing Mercury Free Vaccines

"Due to the ongoing debate over the role of mercury containing vaccines and autism, HAPI decided to have some current vaccinations tested for mercury content. Our goal in doing so was to simply find out for ourselves whether or not mercury has actually been removed from vaccines intended for pediatric use. We also wanted to generate interest and fund a larger test sample. The results are below: (click for a larger image)

lab result

"To see what the manufacturers claim the mercury content of each vaccine is, visit the FDA's thimerosal content page at:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#pres

"HAPI obtained the vials from a healthcare practitioner who wishes to remain anonymous. The vials were sealed and HAPI took every precaution to be ensure there was no tampering or possible contamination prior to sending the vials to the lab. Many doctors wish to know if they are administering truly mercury free vaccines. Many parents wish to know if their children are receiving truly mercury free vaccines. It is important to note that nothing can be truly mercury free, mercury contaminates almost everything with a few molecules. However, it is the position of HAPI that if mercury can be detected and measured in a product using standard instrumentation, the amount should be disclosed in the product insert. HAPI's reasons for this position follow":

* "Mercury is a neurotoxin. Parents have the right to know exactly how much mercury their child is being exposed to on a given day. Though the levels detected in the vaccines we had tested were very low, children often receive multiple vaccinations in one day. The parent and doctor should have the ability to add up the total mercury that would be received and determine if that is acceptable for that particular child."

* "To date no "safe" limit of injected ethylmercury (this is the form of mercury Thimerosal breaks down into) has been established by the EPA or FDA."

* "It is unknown on any given day how much prior mercury exposure an individual may have encountered, possible sources include amalgams in the mother's teeth, Rho-Gham shots during pregnancy, food, and environment. Because mercury is cumulative, the parent deserves know whether or not any given vaccine contains mercury."

* "If Thimerosal is used during the manufacturing process at all, this should be disclosed in the product insert even if it is not being used as a preservative. HAPI takes this position because Thimerosal breaks down into ethylmercury which then binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine therefore making it impossible to "filter out" 100% of the mercury."

More Testing Needed

"Testing four vials was just a start. Obviously more testing is needed in order to further resolve this issue. The public deserves to know the truth and if they wish, demand mercury free vaccines that are not produced using Thimerosal in any way."






Another great site is Vaccine Liberation, run by Ingri Cassel. I would consider Ingri one of the top researchers in this area. Her mother was Walene James and if anyone knows who she is, then you'll understand Ingri's passion about this issue.

 

[Kim Ii]

CDC Discourages Thimerosal Removal:

Article from above post/link:

Here's a snip on this article, written by Robert Kennedy, Jr.

CDC Discourages Thimerosal Removal
Written by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Wednesday, 01 March 2006

"Correspondence newly obtained under the Freedom of Information Act raises troubling new questions about CDC's role in the Thimerosal scandal. Thimerosal is the mercury-based vaccine preservative that has been linked to epidemics of neurological disorders, including autism, in American children born after 1989. Responding to scientific studies linking dangerous levels of mercury to a range of health disorders, the CDC in July 1999 recommended that the nation's vaccine makers eliminate Thimerosal as a preservative, "as soon as possible."

"But the newly released documents show that behind the scenes CDC was quietly discouraging Thimerosal's removal. In a July 1999 letter, vaccine producer SmithKline Beecham tells CDC that it is ready to produce non-Thimerosal DTP (Diptheria/Tetanus/Pertussis) vaccines immediately and has sufficient inventories to supply the entire U.S. market during the remainder of 1999 and the first half of 2000, by which time other vaccine manufacturers would have their Thimerosal-free DTP vaccines on line."

"Thimerosal-laden DTP vaccines containing 25 micrograms of mercury apiece were then being administered to American infants at two months, four months and six months -- far exceeding EPA's recommended safe level for mercury. Had CDC accepted SmithKline's offer, it could have immediately reduced the mercury exposures to vaccinated six-month-old children by 40%."

"However, in November, CDC mysteriously sent a letter back rejecting SmithKline's offer. Then, on July 14, 2000 CDC published a deceptive press release promising to require that all vaccines be Thimerosal-free as soon as "adequate supplies are available." This was a full 12 months after the agency had denied SmithKline's proposal."

..."Immediate withdrawal would send a strong message; 'We messed up!'" the health official told me. "And I don't think they wanted to send that message to parents, the public or those considering legal action."

"There was also concern," says the federal official, "that an immediate withdrawal might discredit the international vaccine programs for which CDC is an important partner." The World Health Organization has urged CDC against the banning of Thimerosal in U.S. vaccines since that prohibition might discredit WHO's third world inoculation programs. WHO, with U.S. funding, is now injecting children in developing countries with the same amounts of Thimerosal we were giving American kids at their highest exposures, but in a shorter time period. In May 2001, WHO committed to "develop a strong advocacy campaign to support the ongoing use of Thimerosal."

"CDC continues to exert muscular efforts to derail studies of American cohorts -- the Amish, Christian Scientists, and home-schooled children -- who were not exposed to Thimerosal vaccines. Preliminary studies of these groups indicate very low levels of the neurological disorders, including autism, that have been associated with Thimerosal in vaccinated populations."

"It's time for the CDC to come clean with the American public. Its tactics of deception and obfuscation are jeopardizing the credibility of the entire vaccine program, and therefore posing an enormous danger to public health."

 

[Marthatex]

The WebMD website says that all childhood vaccines are now available without thimerosal.

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/vaccines-mercury-autism

It also cites the Danish study, in which autism rates actually went up after thimerosal was removed from the vaccines there in 1992.

A study in Britain shows the same result.

 

[Maybe So]

I have been battling against mandatory vaccinations for over 20 years. Let me tell you why.

Most of the vaccines given are the same as were given 40 years ago. In my generation, we did not see autism except in a very rare circumstance. Over the years, they added and added to the list of mandatory vaccinations...but they have also added serious risks. If you would do your research on the side effects associated with the vaccines, you would soon realize what you are truly risking is your child's life by taking them.

I was in an ER 18 years ago and a screaming, sobbing mother came in carrying her baby and his head was at least 2 times the normal size. Her child had just received his vaccinations only hours earlier. The child had developed encephalomyelitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalomyelitis). This is the reality of being in the percentage of the children adversely affected by vaccines. This could be YOUR child next! Is your child the ONE out of so many thousands?!

Until they provide SAFE vaccinations for our children...they should NOT be mandatory and should be up to the parent to put their child at such risk. Children are not supposed to be used for medical experiments, but this is exactly what they are doing. The shots being given have proven not to be totally safe and yet they prefer to rely on their statistics.

To harm ONE child is not acceptable! To say ONE child should die because it is for the greater good is not acceptable!

I totally agree with everything that Am has said about Autism. My grandson is autistic and I do believe they will find a definite link to vaccinations eventually. We have to look at the number of children being affected by Autism today vs. children from my generation. We also have to look at what is being done differently as a possible cause and what I see universally are the vaccinations. They are used worldwide and the incidence of Autism is skyrocketing.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm

You say vacines harm 1 child in 1000 and that is unacceptable? Well, the diseases our children are now vacinated against used to harm, blind, cripple and kill children by the HUNDREDS.... now THAT is unacceptable.

I'll risk the 1 in 1000 odds to prevent my child having the chance of getting Polio, Whooping Cough, Diptheria, Measles or Mumps....all of which can cause severe permanent damage or death to a child.

 

[Maybe So]

Since I have never heard of an older child, a teenager or an adult suddenly becoming Autistic after recieving a vacination I tend to believe that Autistism is simply a condition that a person is born with and it becomes apparent sometime in early childhood and has nothing to do with vacinations. The diagnosis of Autimsm may come around the same time as vacinations simply because the child is seeing a doctor or entering preschool and has been examined and problems found that parents may have overlooked at first.

From what I have read there is a link between the age of the child's father and the risk of being autistic. The older the father the higher the risk. Just as the age of the mother can be a risk factor for Downs.

 

[CaliKid]

I think the thing with autism is that it only becomes noticeable in a child after a certain age when the personality begins to come out. By that time almost all children have already had their baby immunizations.

Where I live, some pediatricians have been known to contact Children's Services if you don't get your baby vaccinated. My daughter didn't want to vaccinate her son and felt pressured to do so.

 

[CyberLaw]

I have seen several studies the latest by the New England Journal of Medicine and they reported that autism is not caused by vaccines.

A person may have a genetic disposition to develop autism, but so far "no cause" has been found. I am sure parents of children with autism "want" to blame someone, want to blame something, want a cause and cure, but if the parents carry a gene that causes autism, then there is no cause

Like I said before, a lawyer and Doctor have two sons who have autism. They are different ages and have a different degree of autism.

 

[Amraann]

I think the thing with autism is that it only becomes noticeable in a child after a certain age when the personality begins to come out. By that time almost all children have already had their baby immunizations.

Where I live, some pediatricians have been known to contact Children's Services if you don't get your baby vaccinated. My daughter didn't want to vaccinate her son and felt pressured to do so.

There are two forms of autism... that which developes between the age of 19 months and 24 (approx.) and those children that have infantile autism ... which is obvious in infants.

Since autism is not like, for example, cancer where a test can be done..
It mainly diagnosed by ruling out other diseases and then looking at the lack of skills and other health issues as a whole picture. (This is why so many children are labeled with other disorders first)

 

[Kim Ii]

Cyberlaw,

Unfortunately, the link between autism and mercury and other toxicities/adjuvants found in vaccines is being covered up. You simply cannot trust 'mainstream' venues/articles/journals to tell you the truth about this topic.

If you take the time to read/view the posts/video interviews I have posted re: Dr. Boyd Haley's research into this issue, you will soon realize just how insidious this cover-up IS.

People need to wake up. We are not being told the truth about this issue.

I did NOT want to believe how deceptive our medical/Big Pharma communities have been re: this topic. However, when I delved even further into my research into vaccine issues after our son's horrendous reactions, I soon discovered just how deep this cover-up goes. Robert Kennedy, Jr. has found this to be the case as well; J.B. Handley, the Founder of Generation Rescue, Dr. Boyd Haley, Dr. Russell Blaylock, and many others, have also discovered just how deeply buried the true facts are behind the vaccine safety quagmire.

Data can be misconstrued, figures/numbers can be wiped out through poorly conducted research/lack of quality controls, etc.

If you want to fully understand just how complex this cover-up actually IS, then read David Kirby's book on the subject. He has his own website. I have read this book in its entirety and I have to say, there wasn't anything in there that I hadn't uncovered in my own research.

 

[Kim Ii]

Here is a link to an article, written by David Kirby, re: mercury/cover-up of the autism link:

Here's the link, with a snip provided below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-mercury-in-vaccines-_b_66007.html;

CDC: Mercury in Vaccines Damaged Your Child. Or Not.

"If you were informed that mercury in vaccines might double the risk of your son developing motor tics, increase his risk of "phonic tics" by nearly two-and-a-half times, and possibly cause speech, attention or behavioral problems in school, would you still allow him to be injected with the heavy metal -- which, by the way, is 100 times more neurotoxic than that lead coating on his Chinese toys?"

"And what if your government's most trusted public health agency, the CDC, announced it had funded a study that replicated the findings of a 2003 CDC analysis, which also detected an association between vaccine mercury and tics, and that researchers were now suggesting "the potential need for further studies" between thimerosal and the neurological disorder?"

"And what if the investigators also said they detected a small but statistically significant association between early thimerosal exposure and impaired "behavioral regulation" in boys?"

"Or what if they said that increased neonatal exposure (28 weeks or younger) was associated with "significantly lower scores in verbal IQ scores in girls," and "significantly poorer performance" in articulation tests among all children?"

"And what if the authors further noted that speech problems were also found in the 2003 CDC study, where they said thimerosal exposure was associated with "an increased risk of language delays" at one test site?"

"Finally, what if those same authors claimed that their findings "suggest a possible adverse association between neonatal exposure to mercury and language development?"

"You might think that the government was getting ready to admit that injecting organic mercury into newborn babies was a dumb idea."

"But you'd be wrong."

"Instead, brace yourself for some gauzy, reassuring reports in the upcoming media cycle about a New England Journal of Medicine study on thimerosal and "neuropsychological outcomes," in which, we are to believe, the connection is nil."

"Our study," the authors concluded, "does not support a causal association between early exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines (and) deficits in neuropsychological functioning at the age of 7 to 10 years." They did not look at autism, ADHD or other major disorders."

"On a conference call this afternoon from Atlanta, CDC officials gushed that these data offered nothing but "very reassuring news" about vaccine safety."

"The associations found were "small," the investigators wrote, "and almost equally divided between positive and negative effects." In other words, for every "bad" thing associated with thimerosal, there was a negating "good" thing, such as improved finger tapping, or higher IQ scores among boys."

"Indeed, the authors reasoned that the "higher scores on the performance IQ tests in boys" who received the most thimerosal, "makes it difficult to draw general conclusions about possible effects of neonatal mercury exposure from vaccines on intellectual abilities."

(If they really mean that thimerosal increases IQ levels in males, then sign me up for a double-dose flu shot this year).

 

[Kim Ii]

Link to David Kirby's website re: EVIDENCE OF HARM:

http://www.evidenceofharm.com/