Patsy and the 911 Call

[twilight]

Where is the database from? The telephone company? The tax rolls...the census reports...

If from the telephone company, it would reflect the name of the person to whom the bill is sent. There could be 14 people living in the house - they don't all get bills. So, how could the dispatcher know to whom they are talking. Nonsense. The dispatcher was about to say 'at' (and my guess would be home) not 'Pat...' By the way... was this their cell phone or their landline?

If taken form the tax rolls or the census, how would you keep it current. Do you have to file with 911 when you move? We don't up here.

 

[BlueCrab]

Where is the database from? The telephone company? The tax rolls...the census reports...

If from the telephone company, it would reflect the name of the person to whom the bill is sent. There could be 14 people living in the house - they don't all get bills. So, how could the dispatcher know to whom they are talking. Nonsense. The dispatcher was about to say 'at' (and my guess would be home) not 'Pat...' By the way... was this their cell phone or their landline?

If taken form the tax rolls or the census, how would you keep it current. Do you have to file with 911 when you move? We don't up here.

twilight,

Please don't be so literal. When I say the dispatcher has YOUR name and address, it means the dispatcher knows the name and address of the person living at the property from where the landline telephone call is being made.

I imagine it works similar to caller I.D., and is no big deal. Test it. Call 911 and, without saying anything, hang up. You'll get an immediate call back and, if you don't answer the phone, in 5 or 10 minutes you'll have a cop knocking on your front door. (Then prepare to get arrested by a pissed off cop.)

 

[bensmom98]

twilight,

Please don't be so literal. When I say the dispatcher has YOUR name and address, it means the dispatcher knows the name and address of the person living at the property from where the landline telephone call is being made.

I imagine it works similar to caller I.D., and is no big deal. Test it. Call 911 and, without saying anything, hang up. You'll get an immediate call back and, if you don't answer the phone, in 5 or 10 minutes you'll have a cop knocking on your front door. (Then prepare to get arrested by a pissed off cop.)

Twilight-

It is a way to protect the public. Say you are getting atatcked (or whatever) in your home. All you have to do is dial 911 and throw your phone. If there appears to be nobody on the line the operator would immediately dispatch local police to your house. This would also work well if you were choking and couldn't speak.

 

[twilight]

Bensmom98 - Yes, the landline you call from is going to have an address - no problem. But do we know if she was using a landline? I know it's been portrayed that way in the made for tv movie, but show me where it says so, in say, a published source. If she was on a landline they have her address. So, if the Dispatcher was saying "are you at..." does that indicate a cell phone? We'll never know because Patsy talked over the top of her question and we have no idea what she was actually asking. There were calls made from a cell phone that day as it took the police years to get the records.

Yes, BC they would have an address and a name for that address. But why would it be Patsy's name? The point I was making is that most people - even on caller ID do not use their full names. They use initials. This is for protection from callers who prey on females that either live alone or are perceived to live alone.

and BC - As for phoning 911 - to even suggest such a questionable activity is highly irresponsible. You don't use emergency services for fun or information gathering. That's almost as bad as stunning unsuspecting youngsters to solve this mystery. Ethically reprehensible. And yes, the cops would be angry. So, angry that you might be charged with public mischief up here. And rightly so. That would be the person to whom the phone was billed, I think, although I suspect you might get away with it because we now live in a world where people shirk their responsibility regularly and get away with it.

KatherineQ - transcripts? Are there transcripts that differ from the transcript in ST's published source. Who made these transcripts?

ST transcript page 14-15 Are you ...

 

[BlueCrab]

Yes, the landline you call from is going to have an address - no problem. But do we know if she was using a landline?

twilight,

Patsy made the 911 call from the phone hanging on the wall in the kitchen. The dispatcher had Patsy's name without asking, but for the record the dispatcher was probably trying to verify for sure that it was Patsy. I'm sure they are likely trained to do that.

twilight, are you trying to ascertain a point from the 911 call that might impact on the case? If so, please let us know. I have an out-of-state friend whose company has trained most of the 911 dispatchers in the U.S., and he could answer just about anything along those lines. (He's also highly interested in the JonBenet murder case.)

BlueCrab

 

[Camper]

Most likely, in my head thought at least, is IF IF IF the phone used for the 911 call was IN the kitchen, then a quick step or so would put her in the hallway, and in the hallway where transmission of voice volume would be lowered substantially.

I am guessing that the phone would have been on the wall next to the doorway into the hall/staircase area ?? yes or no?

A collection of the house occupants (JR & Burke), may have been standing in the hallway just near the door into the kitchen. SO a wall could have come quickly between the phone and the hard to hear conversations in the hallway.

With the sensitive equipment that supposedly was used to determine the extraneous talk AFTER call hang up, it would seem that it must incriminate the young Burke substantially and his cohort/s. Then supposition on my part would be that under Colorado Law, Burke's friend would be home free, non chargeable. Particularly so IF IF IF Burke said, 'It wasn't me', which if my memory serves me is what V OF R says he heard, am I right?

Therefore IF IF V of R, used his equipment to discern this, surely the high tech equipment used to further determine what was said, should have heard it as well, but with greater clarity, I am guessing. SO IF IF the determination of exactly what was said, was given to the DA, we have our answer. No runs, no hits, no indictments for young boys. BC, your theory looks better every day.



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[sissi]

My sister has my copy of PMPT and Steve's book, somewhere in one of those two, (since I've searched in most others) there is mention of Fleet White making a 911 call three weeks prior to the murder of Jonbenet. His daughter was hiding under a bed, and he feared she had been kidnapped. Does anyone know which book had this information? Thanks

 

[BlueCrab]

Most likely, in my head thought at least, is IF IF IF the phone used for the 911 call was IN the kitchen, then a quick step or so would put her in the hallway, and in the hallway where transmission of voice volume would be lowered substantially.

I am guessing that the phone would have been on the wall next to the doorway into the hall/staircase area ?? yes or no?

A collection of the house occupants (JR & Burke), may have been standing in the hallway just near the door into the kitchen. SO a wall could have come quickly between the phone and the hard to hear conversations in the hallway.

With the sensitive equipment that supposedly was used to determine the extraneous talk AFTER call hang up, it would seem that it must incriminate the young Burke substantially and his cohort/s. Then supposition on my part would be that under Colorado Law, Burke's friend would be home free, non chargeable. Particularly so IF IF IF Burke said, 'It wasn't me', which if my memory serves me is what V OF R says he heard, am I right?

Therefore IF IF V of R, used his equipment to discern this, surely the high tech equipment used to further determine what was said, should have heard it as well, but with greater clarity, I am guessing. SO IF IF the determination of exactly what was said, was given to the DA, we have our answer. No runs, no hits, no indictments for young boys. BC, your theory looks better every day.

Camper,

According to the Ramseys, John was on his hands and knees studying the ransom note in the hallway as Patsy was hovering over him making the 911 call. The hallway was between the spiral staircase and the door on the south side of the house. I don't know where Burke was, but he had to be somewhere in the kitchen area because his voice is on that 911 call.

Camper, you're right. It's interesting that Voice of Reason believes he (she), using personal enhancement equipment, heard Burke say "It wasn't me." That kind of fingerpointing by Burke implies there had been another kid in the house that night.

BlueCrab

 

[twilight]

BlueCrab - you never cease to amaze me. You talk with absolute assurance as if you were there. The phone was the kitchen phone, eh? Says who?

By the way...you're not the other kid that you claim was there, are you?

And yeah...ask your friend where they get the database used to identify callers. I'm sure they have one, but I suspect it is the person who's listed in the directory. If it's not, how do they get their info - 911 people, that is. And more importantly how do they keep it current and who gets on the list and who does not?

Now, I wonder - if JonBenét, or a visiting Melinda was forced to call 911 - would they identify either as Patsy, or John, or what? What if a friend was over like Sue Stine, or Walker, or even Rev. Rol - it could get so confusing. And what about Patsy's family, Mom, who lived with them on and off, sister Pam...even her dad? God forbid you need an ambulance!! How long would the list of residents be - do ya think? Just the people that had keys or what? Surely the housekeeper.

Sisi - I don't think you will find that particular tidbit of information in either of those books - it's Internet urban legend, I think.

 

[sissi]

Thanks Twilight, however , I know I read it . I'm pretty careful in not accepting the myths surrounding this case.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab - you never cease to amaze me. You talk with absolute assurance as if you were there. The phone was the kitchen phone, eh? Says who?

In the 1998 interviews Tom Haney and Patsy Ramsey were looking at a plan view sketch of the kitchen area:

PATSY RAMSEY: "I am on the phone right here."

TOM HANEY: "Let's just put a T for the telephone there."

PATSY RAMSEY: (complies with request)

TOM HANEY: "And you're standing right there. You already said John told you to call 911?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."

TOM HANEY: "And then you walk over to the phone?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."

TOM HANEY: "And he is doing what?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "He's on his hands like this (indicating) -- like crouched on his knees, reading it."

TOM HANEY: "Now, the phone that's there, that's a fixed phone?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."

 

[Camper]

Welll for starters, BPD no doubt had been involved in the Christmas Parade where JonBenet was the STAR, right after Santa Claus. BPD handles crowd control and rowdy's.

Then we have the Boulder Daily Camera with pics of JonBenet, ad infinitum. To think that a 'female' dispatcher was not familiar with the Ramsey family, including JonBenet and 'Patsy', would be to ignore an elephant in your living room.

Not too much of major interest happens in Boulder, except for CU student thingies/CU faculty thingies/CU sports thingies etc. The Christmas parade would have been a biggie.

Sissi, my memory is cloudy about where I read that, but seems like it was a reporter, who was prominent in the case, did his name start with John (Sindelair sp, er, huh ?). We did read it from an outside published source, but I cannot remember where.

Sorry, but I also stack up 58 years of crime interest and sleuthing against linguistics. I know absolutely nothing of intellectual interest about linguistics. I find your analyses of linguistics incredibly good. Would wish that it was a science that could put someone in the slammer for brutally murdering JonBenet Ramsey.

Blue Crab, I would like to see a handwriting sample of the other young boy. Anyone know if a sample was ever taken from him? Course IF IF IF WE are correct, there had to be some covering for the other participant.

Anyone know if the Stine family attended the same church as the Ramseys, or were involved in another church. Trying to tie the SBTC into the note, IF IF PR did not write it.

Time marches on, donut?

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Page two of my epic post.

Further substantiation of BC and my secondary theory here. I still like my JAR/airplane not ready etc.

Is that the Ramsey family did not follow through in a BIG way to have a living memorial for JonBenet. They did not do as Mr. Klaas, John Walsh, Mr. Smart, the Van Dams, ALL of the parents of murdered children over the 8 plus years, have done. They could have kept the memory of JonBenet alive by some active participation on their part, with the media.

Heck, Patsy was a journalism major. Just think how effective she could have been over these 8 plus years, by keeping JonBenet's memory alive, and warning the people of Boulder about a murderer in their midst.

Sorrow fills my heart for them, IF IF all they have done is cover. The way the law is written covers it all up too.




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[BlueCrab]

Blue Crab, I would like to see a handwriting sample of the other young boy. Anyone know if a sample was ever taken from him?

Camper,

The boy's DNA was taken, so I guess a handwriting sample was also taken. I know for a fact he was of superior intelligence and an excellent writer.

 

[camillllla]

Question:

At the time Patsy called 911, where was the note (according to the Ramseys)?

c

 

[BlueCrab]

Question:

At the time Patsy called 911, where was the note (according to the Ramseys)?

c

camillllla,

The ransom note was spread out on the hallway floor that stretched between the spiral staircase and the door on the south side of the house. The note was close enough to the door for John Fernie to be able to read it while standing on the outside of the locked door. Patsy, while making the 911 call using the fixed telephone in the kitchen, was able to hover over John, who was on his hands and knees studying the note.

 

[camillllla]

camillllla,

The ransom note was spread out on the hallway floor that stretched between the spiral staircase and the door on the south side of the house. The note was close enough to the door for John Fernie to be able to read it while standing on the outside of the locked door. Patsy, while making the 911 call using the fixed telephone in the kitchen, was able to hover over John, who was on his hands and knees studying the note.

Ok, thanks BC,

I thought she wouldnt be able to see it while she was talking on the phone. And so I was suspicious of her being able to remember the acronym correctly without hesitation.

c

 

[sissi]

Thanks Camper, Yep, I know it was published, and wish I could remember where. It was never refuted as a fact, the Whites explained it as simply a response to not being able to find Daphne within a comfortable amount of time. Why do I think it was in PMPT, not sure...

 

[camillllla]

Forgive me for not taking time to do my on research, but Im just popping in after a long time and wondered if there have been any big 'breaks' or events in this case since the identified the hand and bootprint in the basement.
And since the Ramseys have been officially removed from the umbella of suspicion by the new DA.

thanks

c

 

[UKGuy]

My sister has my copy of PMPT and Steve's book, somewhere in one of those two, (since I've searched in most others) there is mention of Fleet White making a 911 call three weeks prior to the murder of Jonbenet. His daughter was hiding under a bed, and he feared she had been kidnapped. Does anyone know which book had this information? Thanks

PMPT: p17 ...

"White informed Arndt that he had reported his own daughter missing to the Boulder PD several months earlier. But before the police arrived he found her hiding inside his house."

 

[sissi]

THANK YOU !!!! UK GUY!!
I owe ya "one search..whenever you need it" (of course that's if my sister finds my books)