Patsy and the 911 Call

[Camper]

UK proved that you and I were not nut cases about the under the bed hiding place, etc.

Upon reflection, IF IF IF V of R, is correct and Burke did say 'It wasn't me', that is a very defensive absolvement of HIS role in the murder. PLUS 'WE' donut know when Burke arrived that morning to attend the inquisition.

The inquisition must surely have been 'just' about the note, huh, er?

Under my first theory, about JAR involvement/plane not being ready to go at a late morning time, EVEN though it had been scheduled for an EARLY AM takeoff, my theory still has wings. Fly someone out of town, and do a note to cover, hmmm. All done while most all people in Boulder were sleeping peacefully, except Melody Stanton, who woke her husband about a noise that she 'later did not hear', poor guy, who heard a scraping noise in the street. I donut know did he later recount that he did not hear that either??

Combative brothers, 'It wasn't me', possibly.

SO the inquisition could have been a total cover to misguide Burke about the 'who' in who did it'. Burke shoulda been sleeping like a log 'that' night.

Get out your crayons, and color me stupid if you like, make sure you color the BPD too, IF IF IF it was not 'a' close friend of Burkes.

One thing for certain, someone is still breathing free air, that either accidentally or purposefully murdered a defenseless little child.



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[BlueCrab]

And since the Ramseys have been officially removed from the umbella of suspicion by the new DA.

camillllla,

Where is your source for the Ramseys having been removed from under umbrella of suspicion? Thanks.

 

[Camper]

camillllla

I am thinking we have a celebrity in our midst, on a honeymoon yet, ya think?



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[camillllla]

camillllla,

Where is your source for the Ramseys having been removed from under umbrella of suspicion? Thanks.

Well you guys know tons more than me, I just remember reading a public statement made by the new DA woman, Mary something (cant even remember her name, go figure) that she/they believed more in the intruder theory than the Ramseys being guilty, based on the evidence. To me that sounded like the DA took a step in favor of the Ramseys, letting the world know that we shouldnt be expecting any indictment or new grand jury.
It also sounded as if the Ramseys were being publicly cleared as much as possible, practically removed from the umbrella of suspicion or any way you want to put it.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.


So, have there been any major breakthroughs or events since then?

Have you guys cracked the case?

c

 

[camillllla]

camillllla

I am thinking we have a celebrity in our midst, on a honeymoon yet, ya think?



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Lord help me!!! haha!
My name has become such a pain lately! That...woman came and made my internet life so difficult!!



c

 

[BlueCrab]

Well you guys know tons more than me, I just remember reading a public statement made by the new DA woman, Mary something (cant even remember her name, go figure) that she/they believed more in the intruder theory than the Ramseys being guilty, based on the evidence. To me that sounded like the DA took a step in favor of the Ramseys, letting the world know that we shouldnt be expecting any indictment or new grand jury.
It also sounded as if the Ramseys were being publicly cleared as much as possible, practically removed from the umbrella of suspicion or any way you want to put it.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.


So, have there been any major breakthroughs or events since then?

Have you guys cracked the case?

c

Camillllla,

The Ramseys are still under that infamous umbrella of suspicion. Neither John, nor Patsy, nor Burke have been cleared. Please read carefully what Judge Julie Carnes stated when she wrote her opinion dismissing the Wolf v Ramsey defamation case. She wrote:

" ... the weight of the evidence is more consistent with the theory that an intruder murdered JonBenet, than it is with the theory that Mrs. Ramsey did so."

Judge Carnes said nothing about an intruder NOT doing it -- only that it is more likely that an intruder did it than it is that Patsy did it. I agree with Carnes' statement, because I don't think Patsy did it either. I think that Burke did it.

District Attorney Mary Keenan, Lin Wood, the media, and the Ramsey supporters, have taken Judge Carnes comment and tortured it to death trying to make it say no Ramsey killed JonBenet because an intruder killed her. But that's not what Judge Carnes' said. The Ramseys are still under that umbrella of suspicion -- right where they belong.

BlueCrab

 

[camillllla]

Camillllla,

The Ramseys are still under that infamous umbrella of suspicion. Neither John, nor Patsy, nor Burke have been cleared. Please read carefully what Judge Julie Carnes stated when she wrote her opinion dismissing the Wolf v Ramsey defamation case. She wrote:

" ... the weight of the evidence is more consistent with the theory that an intruder murdered JonBenet, than it is with the theory that Mrs. Ramsey did so."

Judge Carnes said nothing about an intruder NOT doing it -- only that it is more likely that an intruder did it than it is that Patsy did it. I agree with Carnes' statement, because I don't think Patsy did it either. I think that Burke did it.

District Attorney Mary Keenan, Lin Wood, the media, and the Ramsey supporters, have taken Judge Carnes comment and tortured it to death trying to make it say no Ramsey killed JonBenet because an intruder killed her. But that's not what Judge Carnes' said. The Ramseys are still under that umbrella of suspicion -- right where they belong.

BlueCrab

Ok, thanks for correcting my inaccurate frasing.

So, apart from that umbrella still hovering over them, what else is new or being done these last couple of years?

c

 

[BlueCrab]

Ok, thanks for correcting my inaccurate frasing.

So, apart from that umbrella still hovering over them, what else is new or being done these last couple of years?

c

Camillllla,

Nothing is happening. D.A. Mary Keenan, with no funds for an active investigation and no requests for funds, is carrying out her promised "new investigation" by sitting on the case. She hasn't hatched anything yet.

 

[camillllla]

Thanks BC

see you around!
Happy sleuthing.

c

 

[Camper]

V of R, has furnished quite a breakthrough in the case, IF IF IF he really can tell that it is Burke saying, "It wasn't me", on the extraneous conversation heard but not heard, on the not hung up telephone call.

I also find it totally fascinating that Mrs. Stanton heard a blood curdling scream in the wee hours of 'that' night yet when pushed later - decided she didn't hear nuthin', BUT, BUT she woke her husband to tell him about the scream that she didn't hear, huh, er, he in turn heard what sounded like scraping metal in the night, or metal scraping on cement.

Some folks slept through the night and did not hear anything in their own home, some folks heard stuff, then not sure that they heard anything. Others wondered why no one heard nothing, think that was the BPD.



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[BlueCrab]

V of R, has furnished quite a breakthrough in the case, IF he really can tell that it is Burke saying, "It wasn't me", on the extraneous conversation heard but not heard, on the not hung up telephone call.

Voice of Reason,

I agree with what Camper is saying. If Burke is heard to say "wasn't me" on the 911 tape, it would have a significant impact on this case. Can you further enhance the sounds at the end of the tape just a little bit more using your personal, but I understand reasonably sophisticated equipment, and play it on this forum? If it involves additional expense for equipment, I for one will gladly chip in.

After listening to the tape (on post #1) several more times, I think I know what happened with the reduced volume at the end of the 911 call. Patsy didn't try to hang up the telephone. If you try to hang up a telephone and fumble or drop it, the person at the other end can clearly hear the clunking noise. There was no clunking noise. I think Patsy put her hand over the mouthpiece because she was a basket case and couldn't go any further, not even one second more, with her 911 charade.

But what not many people know is that if you cup your hand over the mouthpiece, the earpiece can still transmit sound, but at a greatly reduced volume. Patsy wanted to bail out of the 911 conversation as soon as possible and, by placing her hand over the mouthpiece, thought she was quickly ending it by blocking all voices in the room. She was wrong. The earpiece can also slightly transmit, and that is what we are hearing.

And why was Patsy huffing and puffing, out of breath, while on the phone? She had no reason to be out of breath. According to her 1998 police interviews she was just standing there while John was on his hands and knees studying the note on the floor. It's an old theatrical trick to get psyched up seconds before coming out on stage by either getting slapped on the butt or by doing something physical, like sprinting up and back down a short flight of steps before strolling out on stage. IMO Patsy was out of breath after getting psyched up for the most important theatrical performance of her life.

BlueCrab

 

[Voice of Reason]

i am posting the audio of what i listened to. before listening, please remember the following when listening...

this is an interpretation, and you may hear something entirely different than i do. it's sort of like when you were a teenager, trying to decipher the "satanic" messages on your led zeppelin records when played backwards. i guess you hear what you want to hear.

i have posted 6 clips. the first is the full audio from the tail-end of the tape. after the last "patsy" there are four distinct "phrases" uttered, for lack of a better word. i "enhanced" each one, but i can't say i did much as that clicking of what sounds like the 911 dispatchers typewriter is very distracting and much louder than the voices. be careful if listening very loud on headphones as some of the frequencies are rather harsh. for each "phrase" i played it twice, with a bit of silence in between, and then looped it 4 times. i find this is the best way to listen to it. when looped, it becomes a bit clearer. the fifth clip is a repeat of the fourth clip with a different enhancement. that is the one that i think is burke saying "wasn't me", although after many listens, it could be "what did you see?"

Tail-end of 911 call "Patsy...Patsy...(voices and noise)"

First phrase "What did you do?" (Patsy)

Second phrase "What did you do?" (John)

Third phrase "What did you do?" (John)

Fourth phrase "Wasn't me" (Burke)

Another version of the fourth phrase "Wasn't me" (Burke)

DISCLAIMER: This is just my opinion!!!

 

[Camper]

The first of March this year, I had a hearing test by an audiologist, and was pronounced to have great hearing.

V of R, the recordings are most enlightening, in that conversation is heard after the BPD two way is ended.

Blue Crab, that stage readiness, thing is what I referred to as a bad stage play in an earlier post. The first part of the call is what set my tiny bells ringing that way. Then as the call progressed, with some tiny stage pauses, then continuing on.

If you have heard emergency 911 calls for other people and other situations replayed on TV, they are quite different in their 'topic' focus.

V of R, the fourth phrase recoding has me wondering and a bit buffaloed. This is the response from 'Burke ?' AFTER the EMERGENCY crux of Patsy, which ?Burke? was listening to. So immediately WE hear extra voices.

V of R, what I am thinking that I am hearing now is, ?Burke? saying 'was me'. I am not hearing the 'nt, plus the end of 'me' is on an upward voice tone.

My thought is that 'whoever' is doing the speaking as purported to be ?Burke?, does not have a wavy tone after 'me', just flat and higher tone.

So what I perceive at this point is a 'confession'.

IF IF IF a young boy is pleading 'wasn't me', would most likely have a wavy ending on the me part.

I do not intend on misleading anyone here, but this is what I am hearing.

So far the quality of the tape in itself is speculative at best. Only the speakers know for certain what was said by whom.

Now then another disclaimer on my part. IF IF IF the note had already been written, for example by Patsy, this would explain her quick memory to the dispatcher about SBTC, Victory. Also IF IF IF Patsy had already written the note, the family would already have known 'WHO did it', and Burkes inquisition would not have had him confessing on the unhung up phone call.

So when was Burke roused from sleep, was it when Patsy HOLLERED at John AFTER finding the note? The little voice in my head thinks this is probable.

The other samples left me with my mouth hanging open, with no reasonable thought about who said what.


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[BlueCrab]

i am posting the audio of what i listened to. before listening, please remember the following when listening...

this is an interpretation, and you may hear something entirely different than i do. it's sort of like when you were a teenager, trying to decipher the "satanic" messages on your led zeppelin records when played backwards. i guess you hear what you want to hear.

i have posted 6 clips. the first is the full audio from the tail-end of the tape. after the last "patsy" there are four distinct "phrases" uttered, for lack of a better word. i "enhanced" each one, but i can't say i did much as that clicking of what sounds like the 911 dispatchers typewriter is very distracting and much louder than the voices. be careful if listening very loud on headphones as some of the frequencies are rather harsh. for each "phrase" i played it twice, with a bit of silence in between, and then looped it 4 times. i find this is the best way to listen to it. when looped, it becomes a bit clearer. the fifth clip is a repeat of the fourth clip with a different enhancement. that is the one that i think is burke saying "wasn't me", although after many listens, it could be "what did you see?"

Tail-end of 911 call "Patsy...Patsy...(voices and noise)"

First phrase "What did you do?" (Patsy)

Second phrase "What did you do?" (John)

Third phrase "What did you do?" (John)

Fourth phrase "Wasn't me" (Burke)

Another version of the fourth phrase "Wasn't me" (Burke)

DISCLAIMER: This is just my opinion!!!

Voice of Reason,

Excellent. Like you said, it's a matter of interpretation, I but could definitely hear Burke's voice on that tape. I wasn't sure what he said, but it was a higher pitched voice. Burke could be saying "Wasn't me"; it's hard to tell. But IMO John said "How did you do it?" I couldn't understand what Patsy said at all.

So leaving Patsy out of it, IMO this is what was said:

JOHN: "How did you do it?"

BURKE: "Wasn't me."

If this is a proper interpretation then it means that a fifth person had likely been in the house that night and Burke is pointing an accusing finger at him. John seems convinced there was no intruder as he zeros in on Burke, and Burke defends himself by implying it was ****, not him.


BlueCrab

 

[KatherineQ]

So. People who believe the conversation above, that they've just discovered JonBenet's body, they're confronting Burke thinking it's him and calling the police simultaneously with a lie?

Does anyone really believe that's how it could take place? You find a dead daughter, confront the son you suspect did it at the same moment you're covering for the murder with a bogus ransom note you wrote yourself hours ago? Like, before confronting the child you suspect did it?

Does any of this make sense at all to anyone?

edited to add: What is the possibility those voices are coming from within the dispatcher's office, not the Ramsey home? You can clearly hear the computer keyboard clicking in the dispatcher's office, it seems other dispatchers speaking in the area would be picked up on the tape also. To me, honestly, some of those "voice" sounds sound more like mechanical sounds to me, like a printer or a recording device whirring rather than a human voice.

 

[Miss Daisey]

Voice of Reason,

Excellent. Like you said, it's a matter of interpretation, I but could definitely hear Burke's voice on that tape. I wasn't sure what he said, but it was a higher pitched voice. Burke could be saying "Wasn't me"; it's hard to tell. But IMO John said "How did you do it?" I couldn't understand what Patsy said at all.

So leaving Patsy out of it, IMO this is what was said:

JOHN: "How did you do it?"

BURKE: "Wasn't me."

If this is a proper interpretation then it means that a fifth person had likely been in the house that night and Burke is pointing an accusing finger at him. John seems convinced there was no intruder as he zeros in on Burke, and Burke defends himself by implying it was ****, not him.


BlueCrab

I posted...way back once...I believed it possible when the Ramseys found JonBenets body (or the note) they actually DID suspect it was Burke who did it. Thus the reason for getting a lawyer that afternoon to advise them of his rights and their options in protecting him.

We know that sibling rivalries have been lethal from reading about them in the past but the evidence is too confused/complicated for kids without the aid of an adult, IMO. I don't believe an adult would trust kids that age to keep a secret this horrendous. Maybe I'm not reading the right books or who-done-its. But it's true that almost anything one can imagine is possible.

 

[BlueCrab]

For me the fourth phrase (Burke) of the enhanced 911 tape provided by Voice of Reason is CLEARLY Burke's voice. It is very high-pitched compared to the voices of the other people. I'm not sure what he's saying because the dispatcher's keyboard struck once, and the strike unfortunately was right in the middle of Burke's one-second-long comment. But it was definitely the voice of a child. I'm now convinced more than ever that Burke's voice is on the 911 tape.

Thank you Voice of Reason. IMO this is a significant break in the case. The parents lied. Burke was in the kitchen when Patsy made the 911 call.

Also, if Burke definitely said "Wasn't me", it strongly suggests a fifth person, known to the Ramseys, had been in the house that night.

BlueCrab

 

[twilight]

Hi-tech enhancing was needed to decern anything on this tape, but you can clearly hear and identify which voice is which BC. Come on. Aren't you by your own typed word, supposed to be a Grandfather? We all know what happens to hearing as people age.

As for a 5th person - what was the plan? Sleep overs always cause lack of sleep. Any parent knows that. So, Christmas night you're gonna let a kid have his friend over for the night to ensure cranky sleep deprived kids - a friend that will have to be driven home in the am before you catch your flight because the plane will not hold more than 6 passengers and 1 kid extra would be one kid too many, or were they planning to tie Melinda's fiance to the wing?

Uh-uh doesn't work. Not to mention the fact that the parents lie, demonstrably so, so wouldn't the kid? Says 'wasn't me' could mean anything - absolutely anything. But from the unenhanced tape it is impossible to know who said what - if anyone said anything. From ST we know what ST says the specialist in this area say is on the tape. I'm willing to take their word for it. Sure beats any guess I might make.

 

[Camper]

Ramseys lived just six blocks from the Stines. Donut be so hard on BC.

Having a sleepover to please the boys would not be an impossible deal. Burke could sleep on the plane the next day. Busy folks on the go think nothing of picking up a kid to play with theirs, or dropping a kid off. My daughter and her friends do it all the time, so their sons can have another boy to play with, or because of family schedules, it helps each family out.

In the photos of the interior of the Ramsey home it shows clearly that Burkes bed was neatly made. Did Ramseys make the bed, fluffing the pillows and changing one pillowcase, in case dna on there? Did Burke make the bed, I rather doubt it, unless he was never in it 'that' night. IF IF IF Patsy OR John was a neat freak, did they make Burkes bed for show that morning, IF IF IF they did, why didn't they make their own bed..

Here is a link that has most of the photos taken of the interior of the Ramsey home. Please note that the Ramsey marriage bed was NOT made 'that' morning. Why was Burkes bed made? When was it made? Who made it?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_408302,00.html

Edited to add another note. In looking at the Ramsey bed, one pillow looks like it had had a rough night squished up in a knot, the other was rather undented.


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[Voice of Reason]

So. People who believe the conversation above, that they've just discovered JonBenet's body, they're confronting Burke thinking it's him and calling the police simultaneously with a lie?

Does anyone really believe that's how it could take place? You find a dead daughter, confront the son you suspect did it at the same moment you're covering for the murder with a bogus ransom note you wrote yourself hours ago? Like, before confronting the child you suspect did it?

Does any of this make sense at all to anyone?

here is a possibility...patsy and john went to bed on 12/25/96. burke stays up late playing with his new toys. JBR wakes up. an (un)invited guest come over. one thing leads to another, and we are left with a dead JBR and a ransom note. PR and JR wake up as they said on 12/26/96. PR finds the ransom note and yells to JR. he comes downstairs. she calls the police. as she's on the phone, burke wakes up from all the commotion. JR begins to talk to burke. PR cuts off the 911 operator in the middle of the conversation, puts her hand over the phone, and listens to burke and JR's conversation. when she realizes what has happened, she hangs up the phone, which is why there is no more conversation after that. they then have about 5-10 minutes to get their stories straight so they don't lose both their children. maybe that is what happened? it could explain the conversations, the possibility of an intruder(perhaps invited), the reason noone has been prosecuted (see colorado children's code), and the lack of consistency and coherence in JR and PR since day one...

this isn't necessarily my theory, but i guess it's a possible explanation to your question...