Patsy's Cancer has Spread to her Brain

[calus_3]

Call me harsh but when Patsy Ramsey passes on, the person responsible for the lack of justice for a beautiful little girl will finally meet justice. I am not saying Patsy Ramsey did it, but she knows who did, she covered it up, and she knows why.

Cal

 

[dingo]

Im being harsh as well,but i think poor JB passed her used by date as far as patsy was concerned.Jonbenet was starting to rebel against the future her mum had set out for her,maybe little JB was turning into too much of a tomboy for her likings,at 6 years old kids start getting a little unattractive [loosing teeth , being more outspoken,starting to get their own ideas ,i want i dont want,that sort of thing]I really do think Patsey lost it that night

 

[Camper]

I just discovered and read this entire thread, been working on my murder mystery book.

Tricia your link in post #2 did not work for me, so I apologize if I am repeating already known information.

I looked up the procedure that was in Tricias post, to see how effective and how old it was. So here is some interesting information. I don't know if this is the clinic where she is going, in Midland MI.

This is a huge informative link, so spending time there is beneficial and a learning experience.



http://www.midmichigan.org/consumer/page.asp?OrgID=BF4ECA07F3B4416DB435BED5F9B0685A&id=98164C11EAB6476A9A1B995D5D0BEEEF&s=4&sName=0
Neuroscience: Gamma Knife Surgery in Michigan


Gamma Knife Surgery Offers New Hope
The Gamma Knife is a revolutionary type of surgery that uses highly targeted radiation to treat brain abnormalities such as:
Brain tumors
Acoustic neuroma
Arteriovenous malformation (AVM)
Trigeminal neuralgia
It treats both benign and malignant brain tumors - including multiple metastases.
Proven safe and effective, with good outcomes, Gamma Knife procedures are offering new hope, less risk and quicker recovery to thousands of patients around
the world.

How It Works
MidMichigan's Gamma Knife uses computerized data from imaging tests, such as CT scans, MRIs or arteriograms to pinpoint problem areas within the brain and destroy them using multiple beams of gamma radiation.

Each beam emanates from a different location so that tissue along the route to the lesion receives only a harmless, low-dose beam. Together, the gamma beams

(201 in all) converge to produce a high dose of radiation at the exact site of the lesion. Thus, the Gamma Knife "cuts" deep into the brain without using a scalpel at all (See detailed drawing, PDF 271KB).

Prowling around the link above, you will find the address for the med cntr. below,

MidMichigan Medical Center - Midland
4005 Orchard Drive
Midland, Michigan 48670
Phone (989) 839-3000

So it sounds as IF IF yet again state of the art treatment, and potential GOOD result.

------------PS edited to add, I am wondering what a person experiences or how the presence of NEW brain cancer is experienced? Would it have been discovered EARLY with regular cancer followup? OR would Patsy have had some specific symptoms that would have taken her to the doctor for checkup?

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[Seeker]

Not a smoker are you, Seeker?

Tipper, thanks for the info. However you omitted this section

Conclusion: Ovarian cancer patients face an appreciable risk of recurrence in the first 5 years after second-look laparotomy with negative findings after platinum-based chemotherapy, but those who remain disease free at 5 years have excellent long-term survival rates. Tumor stage, grade, and presence of a residual tumor of more than 2 cm after initial surgery are significant predictors of recurrence.

Patsy was not "disease free" for 5 years if I remember correctly. This is in PA right? Patsy's initial treatment was at Bethesda, not in PA. She claimed she was part of a study at NIH in Bethesda in 1993-1994 and that's where she went for treatment. Might want to double check that, but I'm sure that's what she said on many interviews.

We don't know if Patsy was ever actually Stage IV. We only have her word for it. She was probably only Stage I or II. Saying "I had Stage IV ovarian cancer and was miraculously cured" is a lot more dramatic and everyone knows how Patsy loves drama.

I have strong doubts that John would have left Patsy to fly to treatments on her own if she was really fighting Stage IV. Unless he really is the "iceman"...



I KNOW you're not going to try and tell me that smokers are healthy...

Smoking impares ones health, even if the effects aren't felt for years and years after. Smoking causes cancer, emphazima, and a maryid of other lung disorders. People who smoke have a greater risk of catching diseases like tuberculosis, flu and the common cold (while smoking your body temp actually drops). People who smoke usually have sinus problems too.

BTW I was a smoker until I decided I was being stupid and paying big bucks just to harm and potentially kill myself. Of course I didn't have cancer and I certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to smoke, or keep smoking if I had.

Camper, according to Lin Wood, Patsy is taking treatments in Atlanta, GA and staying with her father. She's not in MI and no info on her current treatment type is available.

 

[Rainsong]

Tipper, thanks for the info. However you omitted this section

Patsy was not "disease free" for 5 years if I remember correctly. This is in PA right? Patsy's initial treatment was at Bethesda, not in PA. She claimed she was part of a study at NIH in Bethesda in 1993-1994 and that's where she went for treatment. Might want to double check that, but I'm sure that's what she said on many interviews.

We don't know if Patsy was ever actually Stage IV. We only have her word for it. She was probably only Stage I or II. Saying "I had Stage IV ovarian cancer and was miraculously cured" is a lot more dramatic and everyone knows how Patsy loves drama.

I have strong doubts that John would have left Patsy to fly to treatments on her own if she was really fighting Stage IV. Unless he really is the "iceman"...



I KNOW you're not going to try and tell me that smokers are healthy...

Smoking impares ones health, even if the effects aren't felt for years and years after. Smoking causes cancer, emphazima, and a maryid of other lung disorders. People who smoke have a greater risk of catching diseases like tuberculosis, flu and the common cold (while smoking your body temp actually drops). People who smoke usually have sinus problems too.

BTW I was a smoker until I decided I was being stupid and paying big bucks just to harm and potentially kill myself. Of course I didn't have cancer and I certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to smoke, or keep smoking if I had.

Camper, according to Lin Wood, Patsy is taking treatments in Atlanta, GA and staying with her father. She's not in MI and no info on her current treatment type is available.

Oh heck, living impairs one's health. Sex, tobacco, alcohol, food (whatever flavor of the week the medical community decides), breathing polluted air, microwaved food with no nutritive value, walking down a crowded city street,
riding in a vehicle, cell phones, and on and on. Fact is, people begin dying at the moment of birth and people who have never smoked or lived with others who smoked also get cancer.

Rainsong

 

[Seeker]

Oh heck, living impairs one's health. Sex, tobacco, alcohol, food (whatever flavor of the week the medical community decides), breathing polluted air, microwaved food with no nutritive value, walking down a crowded city street,
riding in a vehicle, cell phones, and on and on. Fact is, people begin dying at the moment of birth and people who have never smoked or lived with others who smoked also get cancer.

Rainsong

LOL! I agree with that!

But how many people do you know who are diagnosed with the worst stage of any type of cancer either continue to smoke, or take up smoking?
Esp those who are fighting it...
My dad had cancer and kept smoking, but they told him he only had 6 months (early 80's). No possible cure (lung and very advanced) so he figured he'd just keep doing what he'd been doing as it wasn't going to make any difference.

Patsy claimed she'd been "healed" so why take the chance of causing a recurrance?

 

[tipper]

Tipper, thanks for the info. However you omitted this section

Patsy was not "disease free" for 5 years if I remember correctly. This is in PA right? Patsy's initial treatment was at Bethesda, not in PA. She claimed she was part of a study at NIH in Bethesda in 1993-1994 and that's where she went for treatment. Might want to double check that, but I'm sure that's what she said on many interviews.

We don't know if Patsy was ever actually Stage IV. We only have her word for it. She was probably only Stage I or II. Saying "I had Stage IV ovarian cancer and was miraculously cured" is a lot more dramatic and everyone knows how Patsy loves drama.

I have strong doubts that John would have left Patsy to fly to treatments on her own if she was really fighting Stage IV. Unless he really is the "iceman"...



I KNOW you're not going to try and tell me that smokers are healthy...

Smoking impares ones health, even if the effects aren't felt for years and years after. Smoking causes cancer, emphazima, and a maryid of other lung disorders. People who smoke have a greater risk of catching diseases like tuberculosis, flu and the common cold (while smoking your body temp actually drops). People who smoke usually have sinus problems too.

BTW I was a smoker until I decided I was being stupid and paying big bucks just to harm and potentially kill myself. Of course I didn't have cancer and I certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to smoke, or keep smoking if I had.

Camper, according to Lin Wood, Patsy is taking treatments in Atlanta, GA and staying with her father. She's not in MI and no info on her current treatment type is available.

This is from a quick check so I may have missed something. I'll try and run through the other two books this afternoon.

DOI p. 85 Patsy starts her NIH chemo on July 27, 1993

DOI p.89

"My mother or John usually made the trips to Maryland with me.‘

DOI p 93 In December 1993. Patsy has her final washdown at NIH and is declared cancer free.

I think the next occurrence is in 2000 so Dec 1998 would be her 5 year mark.

Given how closely the Ramsey backgrounds were checked and the number of friends and employees who have verified her cancer treatments I think it’s safe to assume she had a very serious ovarian cancer. Can you imagine ST keeping it secret that she’d lied about being treated at NIH or the seriousness of her disease?

Wouldn't dream of trying to claim smoking is a good thing. However, I think quitting is very difficult under the best of conditions and between the murder, the paparazzi, the BPD, the grand jury, the public hatred of them I'm not surprised she was still smoking. Do we know if she is in fact, currently smoking?

 

[Camper]

Camper, according to Lin Wood, Patsy is taking treatments in Atlanta, GA and staying with her father. She's not in MI and no info on her current treatment type is available.

------------------->>>I understand that PR is NOT in MI, the following is an exerpt from Tricia's post #2 on this thread. She's back home with her dad and his wife, in Roswell, GA. Close by is a clinic that does gamma knife radiosurgery, which administers precision radiation without cutting.

The link I provided about the MI center, covers more intensive information about the technique and how it has been refined to be dang near foolproof. The link also states that the technique originated in Sweden 30 years ago.

IF IF they caught it early, I will bet one nickel that she comes out ok for now and however much longer the good Lord extends her life, OR modern science if you prefer that alternative.



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[Rainsong]

LOL! I agree with that!

But how many people do you know who are diagnosed with the worst stage of any type of cancer either continue to smoke, or take up smoking?
Esp those who are fighting it...
My dad had cancer and kept smoking, but they told him he only had 6 months (early 80's). No possible cure (lung and very advanced) so he figured he'd just keep doing what he'd been doing as it wasn't going to make any difference.

Patsy claimed she'd been "healed" so why take the chance of causing a recurrance?

A risk factor is anything that increases a person's chance of getting a disease such as cancer. Different cancers have different risk factors. For example, unprotected exposure to strong sunlight is a risk factor for skin cancer. Smoking is a risk factor for cancers of the lung, mouth, larynx, bladder, kidney, and several other organs.

Researchers have discovered several specific factors that increase a woman's likelihood of developing epithelial ovarian cancer. These risk factors do not apply to other less common types of ovarian cancer such as germ cell tumors and stromal tumors.

Most women with ovarian cancer do not have any known risk factors. Risk factors increase the odds of getting a disease but do not guarantee it will occur. Only a small number of women who have risk factors will develop ovarian cancer. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/c...re_the_risk_factors_for_ovarian_cancer_33.asp

I've known lots of people who have various cancers who continued to smoke. It's one of the most difficult habits to break, and given the stress of having a child murdered, I can readily understand why Patsy took it up again. Much less stress will often trigger a former smoker to start again.

Rainsong

 

[Seeker]

:waitasec: Camper, you said in your post that you didn't know if it was the clinic that Patsy was going to...or at least that's how it read to me. I apologize if I misunderstood your post.

I looked up the procedure that was in Tricias post, to see how effective and how old it was. So here is some interesting information. I don't know if this is the clinic where she is going, in Midland MI.

We don't know in what way the cancer manifested itself in her brain or what caused them to even look for anything there. Maybe she was getting dizzy spells or something? Also remember a couple of years ago they said it had spread to her liver as evidenced by a "spot" showing up there? Stage IV isn't just in the ovaries to begin with...it's in several different areas of the body and that's why the survival rate is so low.

tipper, I quit smoking in 1996, lost my boy in 1999 and didn't pick the habit back up. Quitting wasn't that hard for me. I had great willpower to quit smoking but don't seem to have it with regards to dieting...go figure.

Funny that's written in DOI when in other interviews she says she went to treatments alone while John stayed home because of his business.

Chalk it up to another inconsistancy in their stories...IMO.

 

[Kaly]

I had a few spots on my liver and it was nothing. (I'm not a drinker or smoker). They can't really tell for sure if it's cancer unless they do a biopsy.

So, I think it's more baloney from the Ramseys, too. In addition to one news report I heard saying they are "destitute now."

 

[Casshew]

In addition to one news report I heard saying they are "destitute now."

What qualifies as destitute? driving a Lexus instead of a Porche?

 

[londonPI]

The clinic in Midland Michigan is very far away from where the Ramsey's live. IF she is getting treatment near her home, the very best is the Burns Clinic, about a 30 minute drive from her home.

 

[Kaly]

What qualifies as destitute? driving a Lexus instead of a Porche?

LOL, I guess so. (Is that what they drive?) I'm sure they'd say they are destitute no matter what they drive. Or maybe they have to drink cheaper wine now?

 

[Moab]

Let's clarify something here.

This is NOT Brain Cancer that Patsy has...it's still Ovarian Cancer.

The cells have simply spread out and into other parts of her body.

If she had ever actually had Stage IV like she claimed, she would be dead already.

I'm with you Seeker, there is such a slim possibility that Patsy ever had Stage IV cancer to begin with, that all these other bouts she says she is having are metastasis of the cancer to other organs. If Patsy had Stage IV Ovarian cancer, it would have been truly amazing for her to survive that alone, much less the subsequent 3-4 bouts she has had (sorry but I lose count). Here is a site which says there are no approved products for Stage III/IV Ovarian cancer at this time.

http://host.veritasmedicine.com/index.cfm?cid=150444&did=733&rfr=goo



There are several viable possibilities for metastasis of Patsy's Ovarian cancer, and they could be liver, bladder, bone, lung, and brain...just to name a few...we have heard about her liver before (twice I think), and now we are hearing brain.



Patsy wasn't magically healed from cancer...to be healed means you don't get it again! Someone who has a bout of cancer - for example breast cancer - is treated, goes into remission, and 50 years later has not had a recurrence, is someone who was healed of cancer.



Patsy was obviously at one point in remission, but she was never healed from it, and she will die from it or something secondary to the cancer itself, depending on how blown her immune system is, and that is only if the chemo doesn't kill her! One cannot take chemo as many times as Patsy says she has and not have some long-term effects from that as well.

 

[Toltec]

Which get's healed first....The cut cable line or Patsy's cancer?

 

[Kaly]

Geezus, whether Patsy is guilty of something or not, why does she have to keep embellishing? It makes her look guilty. Or mentally ill. Or personality disordered. Or all three.

 

[gatetrekker44]

Patsy is probably all three-she lived vicariously through JonBenet's pageant triumphs, and even now can't stand for the spotlight to be off her for any length of time! :doh:


Bring Maura home!

 

[Bobbisangel]

She may talk. If she's as religious as she says, she may want to clear things up so she will be welcomed in heaven. Otherwise....

Patsy holds the keys to the justice for Jonbenet.

IF Patsy did commit this crime and IF she is dying of cancer....all she has to do for the Lord to welcome her into heaven is ask the Lord for forgiveness and confess to him. She doesn't have to confess to a minister...the public...the police or anyone else.

IF she did commit the crime it would be the right thing to do to make a statement with the police in Georgia. This murder needs to be cleared up no matter who did it. But just for the record....clearing things up with people here on earth isn't going to get her into heaven's gates. A person has to talk to their maker and make it right with Him.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Well that second sentance explains a lot...

If someone has cancer that has spread to their adrenal glands and brain then yes, they can go at any time IMO. There are no guarantee’s esp when it comes to cancer.

I would never forsake a family member when they needed me most. Nothing in this world is as important as family to most people. Love, compassion, and caring are probably alien to some and that's how they can just be so selfish as to only think about themselves when a family member is dying.

Not just sick with a cold or something, but dying.

John and Burke probably can't deal with Patsy's illness and are showing that they are completely self centered IMO. They should be there taking care of Patsy and taking her to her treatments if this isn't another Ramsey hoax and ploy for sympathy.
Nope they don't want to see and have abandoned her to the only family that actually cares enough about her to be there for her.

If you truely love someone you are there for them esp at a time like this.

Burke staying and graduating with his class might be exactly what his mother wants him to do. It makes sense that his dad would stay with him. We don't know what the three of them talked about or decided. School is nearly out so they won't be seperated from Patsy for long. If this is what Patsy wanted...for her son to walk across the stage and graduate then Burke and John are honoring her wishes.

It is really sad that the cancer has come back. That happens to often. I have my doubts about the family being involved in the murder. I can't think of one single reason that would be a motive. I don't believe Burke did it either as he was a 9 yr old kid....not a 19 yr old kid. Jon Benet was a beautiful little girl and Burke may have been jealous of her and the attention that she got but I doubt that a 9 yr old knows how to make a groat.

A hand writing expert couldn't say that Patsy wrote that ransom note. Experts are trained to compare hand writing....we aren't.

I believe that Lou Smith...I think that is his name...was on to something but the Boulder police refused to listen and so he threw his hands up and left.
Boulder police have tunnel vision in this case and they bungled the case so badly that we will probably never know who comitted this horrible crime.