Why leave the note on the steps in the first place,how would an intruder know that was Patseys usual route to the kitchen,why not leave it on the kitchen counter or near the coffee machine , but i suppose it did add more drama to the whole senerio
Patsy's deft two-step
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tipper
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Patsy's usual route to the kitchen doesn't matter. Even if it was normal for her to come down the front stairs; sooner or later the family would realize JonBenet wasn't in her bed and a search of the whole house would begin. It was clear that the spiral stairs did get used so discovering the note would simply be a matter of time.
I think he put the note on the back stairs so he could then carry her down the front stairs.
I think he put the note on the back stairs so he could then carry her down the front stairs.
tipper
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Perhaps he felt carrying a child around at that hour would get him noticed/remembered/questioned. Perhaps he didn't really understand how stun-guns worked and thought it would make her limp and floppy so she could be put in the suitcase. Perhaps she fought him and he lost it like that father who recently killed the two girls in the park. Perhaps after strangling her his jealousy of the Ramsey's opulent lifestyle continued so he did the sexual damage to her as further punishment for the parents. Perhaps the blow to the head was just frosting on the cake as he left and walked out the door.dingo said:
tipper
Former Member
Always a possibility 
dingo said:
dingo,
IMO the killer couldn't take JonBenet outside, alive or dead, because there was a fresh dusting of snow that had just fallen. The footprints in the snow AND BACK AGAIN (because the killer lived there) would have told the true story. Therefore, the killer was trapped in the house with his victim AND a ransom note that now didn't make any sense.
It appears that even Mother Nature was mad at the evil taking place in the house that night, and did her part to reveal the killer by making it snow, and then temporarily dropping the temperature to 10 degrees F. to keep the snow from melting before the cops got there. The temperature quickly rose into the 50's, even before the sun came up, later in the morning. It's a little spooky because on all other nights that week the temperatures were in the 30's.
BlueCrab
Camper
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Boogers, yall got the kidnapper running around the house like a hungry rat, here there everywhere, hmmm, perhaps, but. Consider that the Ramseys wish us all to believe that the 'kidnapper' - who was not a REAL kidnapper, since he never took the child with him, spent hours writing the note, yet, when push came to shove he carefully laid out the three pages on some impossible stairs. HE was hoping and seemed to know that PR came down those stairs in the morning, to do what - make coffee? Why then didn't he leave the three pages all spread out by the Coffee Pot? The coffee pot would have been enroute from the basement to his 'escape' door.
NOOOOO, he just had to do a special and artistic display of this fine journalistic effort of a non existant kidnapper on the steps.
I thought PR hollered for John who was out of the shower, as she ran up the stairs and he ran down the stairs as PR searched JonBenets room, and when she came back down he was on all fours reading the 'note' on the floor.
Anyone remember how the note got to the floor? My memory is sagging.
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NOOOOO, he just had to do a special and artistic display of this fine journalistic effort of a non existant kidnapper on the steps.
I thought PR hollered for John who was out of the shower, as she ran up the stairs and he ran down the stairs as PR searched JonBenets room, and when she came back down he was on all fours reading the 'note' on the floor.
Anyone remember how the note got to the floor? My memory is sagging.
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Im new to posting but have been lurking for a loooooong time.I think the intruder was superhuman,considering all the feats he performed that night.
Camper
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Welllllll, JR said it looked like an inside job! SOOOOOOOOO, it would have been good to take the body OUT. ONE set of tracks leaving the house would have been good, 'they' coulda said 'they' found the NOTE and READ it, and the NOTE said donut talk to ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They coulda said, JR headed OUT to get the 'RANSOM' money, and HE COULDA DONE that.
AFTER all 'OUR/THEIR perp was IN THE HOUSE WELL before the nighttime snow began, SOOOOOOOO no tracks coming inta the house. Plus no tracks were seen by the officers early that morning, no pictures of tracks either.
When the temp is that cold in Colorado, we get tiny crystals of snow that can be blown away by a wind. NOT a heavy snow, I have explained my 60 years of Colorado snow observations here before, you may be able to find it in the archives.
BUT, but, where would the kidnapper have taken her FROM the house, the neighbor had already 'heard a scream, then decided NO she didn't hear a scream. BUT, she did wake her husband to tell him about the scream that she did/didn't hear, so someone woulda heard a car drive away or not, they probably laid awake talking about the non scream, huh, er, hmmm. Ramsey car would have been OK to drive away, since it coulda been JR GOING TO GET THE MONEY.
BUT where would the 'family' have taken their non/kidnapped/accidentally murdered daughter?
An 'inside job' as JR has said, seems to prove out since there was no forced entry, and the poor victim was found inside as well.
IF IF it were an inside job by an outside perp, then the perp would have taken the victim away SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE the home.
IF IF the perp was the innocent young boy, then all stays quiet on the western front. IF IF however it was ANYONE else, the hunt continues, but comes to a blunt end with alibi's and attorneys for all.
IF IF it was an innocent young boy too young to prosecute then WE should all go away quietly, and let life take its course. Worse crimes are happening elsewhere at this very moment, and are being done by poor unfortunate victims of their own horrible childhood experiences.
The point remains, JUST what does Fleet White know that he has never told anyone? What did he hear in his own car, while he took the young boy away with his NEW electronic game on the 26th?
AFTER all 'OUR/THEIR perp was IN THE HOUSE WELL before the nighttime snow began, SOOOOOOOO no tracks coming inta the house. Plus no tracks were seen by the officers early that morning, no pictures of tracks either.
When the temp is that cold in Colorado, we get tiny crystals of snow that can be blown away by a wind. NOT a heavy snow, I have explained my 60 years of Colorado snow observations here before, you may be able to find it in the archives.
BUT, but, where would the kidnapper have taken her FROM the house, the neighbor had already 'heard a scream, then decided NO she didn't hear a scream. BUT, she did wake her husband to tell him about the scream that she did/didn't hear, so someone woulda heard a car drive away or not, they probably laid awake talking about the non scream, huh, er, hmmm. Ramsey car would have been OK to drive away, since it coulda been JR GOING TO GET THE MONEY.
BUT where would the 'family' have taken their non/kidnapped/accidentally murdered daughter?
An 'inside job' as JR has said, seems to prove out since there was no forced entry, and the poor victim was found inside as well.
IF IF it were an inside job by an outside perp, then the perp would have taken the victim away SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE the home.
IF IF the perp was the innocent young boy, then all stays quiet on the western front. IF IF however it was ANYONE else, the hunt continues, but comes to a blunt end with alibi's and attorneys for all.
IF IF it was an innocent young boy too young to prosecute then WE should all go away quietly, and let life take its course. Worse crimes are happening elsewhere at this very moment, and are being done by poor unfortunate victims of their own horrible childhood experiences.
The point remains, JUST what does Fleet White know that he has never told anyone? What did he hear in his own car, while he took the young boy away with his NEW electronic game on the 26th?
dingo said:
Righteee.
Patsy says in her book that she notices the note and thinks it's a letter from her housekeeper LHP...
HUH??? The family used the spiral staircase the night before...Patsy's caught in yet another lie.
Like I said in my earlier post...the note was never on the spiral staircase!
Please do not put an incorrect name to a book. If someone had never read it, I'm sure they wouldn't want to go searching for one with the wrong name.
Exactly Toltec,I can be classed as an outsider looking in,but that note had to be found early ,whether it was on the steps or not.They had a plane to catch at a certain time, they had a timeline. If it wasnt for that early morning plane trip the next day events could have taken a different course.IMO thats why the 911 call was made, they had no choice.
tipper
Former Member
Not to be picky but they didn't "have a plane to catch at a certain time". The most that would happen if they were even a hour or two late leaving is Melinda and company would be cooling their heels in Minneapolis for an extra hour or two. In fact they chronically missed their projected departure times.dingo said:
tipper
Former Member
http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htmBlueCrab said:
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Normally I get up naturally. I
19 don't set the alarm. I wake up 6:30.
20 LOU SMIT: So you specifically set the alarm
21 when you want to wake up at a certain time?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
23 LOU SMIT: You remember setting the alarm on
24 Christmas night?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember specifically
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1 doing it. But I know I did because we had to -- we
2 had wanted, because as I recall we wanted to take
3 off at 7:00. It was a three-hour flight to
4 Minneapolis. That would have gotten us there at
5 11. The kids' flight got in at elevenish. I
6 remember I wanted to leave, I didn't want to be
7 late for the kids' plane.
8 Typically with trips like that we're always
9 late. We would need to be there at 7:00 and we'd
10 get there at 7:30. I wanted to be sure that we
11 were up at this time.
12 LOU SMIT: How about packing at all? I mean,
13 were you already packed?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: I'm a light traveler when we
15 go to the lake. I've got clothes up there. I don't
16 remember packing anything. I probably would have
17 taken, it seems like I had a heavy coat I wanted
18 to take with me. But that was about it. Because I
19 got everything I --
20 LOU SMIT: What kind of a coat?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I would be guessing. I think
22 I was going to take a coat. Because it was have
23 been winter there.
Surely you wouldn't be picky, Tipper, but Dingo's post referred to a scenario in which the (hypothetically guilty) family is staging after the death of JB, and also facing an early morning flight. Being chronically late doesn't address the fact that they were expected somewhere and that dealing with that would affect options. If there was a coverup needed, but no flight planned, for example, there could be a morning drive in the mountains, or who knows?tipper said:
tipper
Former Member
The obvious thing would have been to drop her off her balcony. No crime, just tragic accident.
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