People being detained and "exported" by ICE #2

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I don't know that a thread exists yet but I'd like to start a thread that deals with people being grabbed on the streets in the USA and either deported or detained. It seems that some are sent to detention camps in Louisiana. And some are put on planes to El Salvador.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong but I thought a thread would be relevant in light of recent news articles.

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For reference, please click on Tricia's post below, quoting the Fourteenth and Fifth Amendments of the United States Constitution:

 

'ICE to Foreign Students: We’re Not Taking Your Visas Away After All​

Trump administration restores legal status to thousands of foreign students'​

April 25, 2025 2:43 pm ET


"The Trump administration is abruptly reversing course and restoring the legal status of thousands of international students whose status was suddenly terminated without warning or explanation this month, said a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security.

Attorneys representing students in several lawsuits have also been told of the policy shift by government attorneys. "


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A cartel is a business term. It is not a nation or government.

Trump has tried to justify using the Enemy Aliens Act by saying the government of Venezuela is sending the TDA gang here, but it’s not true.


President Donald Trump has long claimed that South American governments are sending violent gang members to the U.S. as ajustification for his mass deportation efforts. But U.S. intelligence has found that that isn’t the case.

The National Intelligence Council, using findings from the 18 intelligence agencies, found in a secret assessment earlier this month that the Venezuelan government isn’t sending members of the prison gang Tren de Aragua to the U.S., according to The Washington Post.
I posted a link above.
The president issued a declamation, with extensive documentation, with ties to the Venezuelan government involvement declaring certain gangs and cartels terrorist. (The federal case, giving authorization to the president, are listed in the declamation) This was a requirement prior to activating the Alien Enemy Act. The same was done prior to and acting the AEA before we declared war, during World war II.

To take it one step further, if you read the actual code, enacted by Congress it clearly defines due process is not awarded for deportation under this act. (Posted by Fred&Edna)


The link you posted from the Independent, was not a person detained under AEA.

Here's a link to a local Florida New station... It says he told the officers he was in the country illegally, that is why he was detail. As soon as immigration officials were aware of his birth certificate he was immediately released. Moo the independent article is embellished.
 

From your link ...

"But it does not seem to impact those who had their actual visas revoked and are in ICE custody, leaving individuals such as former Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil still in detention."

I am guessing that the detained students will still have to go to court to challenge that they were 'seriously adversely affecting US foreign policies'.
 

The Independent

Woman facing US deportation after wrong turn on drive to Costco​


A woman from Guatemala says she and her two US-born children say they were held for almost a week by customs agents in Detroit after her phone mistakenly directed them to an international bridge to Canada, instead of the nearest Costco.

Ruby Robinson, senior managing attorney with the Michigan Immigrant Rights Center, says the woman now faces removal proceedings in June in immigration court.
 
I posted a link above.
The president issued a declamation, with extensive documentation, with ties to the Venezuelan government involvement declaring certain gangs and cartels terrorist. (The federal case, giving authorization to the president, are listed in the declamation) This was a requirement prior to activating the Alien Enemy Act. The same was done prior to and acting the AEA before we declared war, during World war II.

Regardless, just because the Venezuela govt declared certain gangs and cartels as terrorists does not mean that the US declared was against Venezuela.

It seems a big, big stretch to portray gangs and cartels as foreign nations or countries.
 
From your link ...

"But it does not seem to impact those who had their actual visas revoked and are in ICE custody, leaving individuals such as former Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil still in detention."

I am guessing that the detained students will still have to go to court to challenge that they were 'seriously adversely affecting US foreign policies'.
Another court order on its way the administration will ignore when it's ruled unconstitutional or retroactive or something else.
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"But what about all the others shipped to El Salvador and loaded into a notorious prison without due process?

Lawyers are now seeking their return, too. The motion is pending before U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, who found probable cause last week to hold Trump officials in contempt, which the administration is currently trying to appeal."

 
I didn't get a chance to quote to this heartbreaking post before the new thread started, but I wanted to link to @LibraStarr's post here.

I attended a webinar for work on how to help immigrant students with the current climate and it was heartbreaking. This was a lead by a professional organization not easily rattled or of the pearl clutching variety, but it was sobering. One of the speakers advised that when traveling, everyone, not just those with their immigration status in question, should travel with as few electronic devices as possible and if we must carry devices with us, to wipe them clean of anything that could be viewed as critical of the current administration so there are fewer reasons to give law enforcement a reason to detain people.

This is insane! And heartbreaking.
 
Regardless, just because the Venezuela govt declared certain gangs and cartels as terrorists does not mean that the US declared was against Venezuela.

It seems a big, big stretch to portray gangs and cartels as foreign nations or countries.
President Trump followed the exact procedure President Roosevelt followed in 1941, BEFORE the US declared war on Japan. The military immediately detained Japanese citizens, they were held for years in detainment facilities, without any type of trial.

The United States code, laws, statues inacted by Congress, empowered the president to declare National enemies. President Trump listed each US codes in the declaration. He also listed reasons, and documentation proving a connection of this cartel to the Venezuelan administration. The code was posted and a link on the previous thread.

It's not a stretch to declare cartels terrorist or a foreign enemy. Even their own government won't take them back, no one will take them back, except El Salvador.

Moo...
 
"Let me quote from the ruling. “The order properly requires the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador.” Are you facilitating a release?

I leave that to my lawyers. I give them no instructions. They feel that the order said something very much different from what you're saying. But I leave that to my lawyers. If they want—and that would be the Attorney General of the United States and the people that represent the country. I don't make that decision.

Have you asked President Bukele to return him?

I haven’t, uh, he said he wouldn’t.

Did you ask him?

But I haven’t asked him positively, but he said he wouldn’t.

But if you haven't asked him, then how are you facilitating his release?

Well, because I haven't been asked to ask him by my attorneys. Nobody asked me to ask him that question, except you."

 
It's not a stretch to declare cartels terrorist or a foreign enemy. Even their own government won't take them back, no one will take them back, except El Salvador.

Moo...

Completely missing the point. imo

A gang or cartel is NOT a foreign government or nation.

"or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government" (as posted from the Act, by sillybilly in the previous thread)
 
President Trump followed the exact procedure President Roosevelt followed in 1941, BEFORE the US declared war on Japan. The military immediately detained Japanese citizens, they were held for years in detainment facilities, without any type of trial.

"And unlike Roosevelt, who invoked the law after what was then the deadliest attack [by a nation, the attack on Pearl Harbor] on the United States in history, Trump is abusing a wartime power during peacetime."

 
President Trump followed the exact procedure President Roosevelt followed in 1941, BEFORE the US declared war on Japan. The military immediately detained Japanese citizens, they were held for years in detainment facilities, without any type of trial.

The U.S. declared war on Dec. 8, 1941. It was after war was declared that the Japanese were detained. In 1988 the government apologized for the injustice. So I would not consider this to be precedent for Trump’s procedure.


In February 1942, just two months later, President Roosevelt, as commander-in-chief, issued Executive Order 9066 that resulted in the internment of Japanese Americans. The order authorized the Secretary of War and military commanders to evacuate all persons deemed a threat from the West Coast to internment camps, that the government called "relocation centers," further inland.

On March 29, 1942, under the authority of the executive order, DeWitt issued Public Proclamation No. 4, which began the forced evacuation and detention of Japanese-American West Coast residents on a 48-hour notice.

In 1988, Congress passed, and President Reagan signed, Public Law 100-383 – the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 – that acknowledged the injustice of "internment," apologized for it, and provided a $20,000 cash payment to each person who was incarcerated.
 
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