People being detained and "exported" by ICE #2

[Vern]

The US-born children were here legally, so I wonder what kind of crime or fraud they committed.

Unfortunatey, it seems as if one of those American children may just have been dealt a death sentence by this administration based upon zero legal grounds or due process.

That's disgusting. No wonder they are masking and hiding their faces.

Indeed, yet Americans apparently have no reason 'to fear the ICEman' some will say.

So, they've now come - yet again - for American citizens who've comitted no crimes. This was all done contrary to US law and the US Constitution. Their 'arresters' need to be rounded up and charged. Lock them up ... after their own 'due process'.

Those are FACTS.

IMO.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It seems to me that the administration is normalizing the depriving of Americans of due process by starting with the marginalized ones.

If it's not stopped, it will progress until none of us have due process and can be arrested at will for no reason at all except whim.

 

[Simply Southern]

RSBM,

What is your source for the above?

IMO, the dates are off and this happened AFTER Pearl Harbour. Japan; not a cartel, not a gang. A country. Facts matter.

My source: (text below is not my bold - it's the source):

No the date is correct, he utilized the AEA the day before, war declared 12/8. It was used to detain Japanese, German and Italian, legal and immigrants.

President Trump's declination clearly states cartels are tied to the Venezuelan government. A list the US code providing the power to label them a national enemy, documentation of the connections to the Venezuelan government. This allowed him to then use the AEA.

The AEA is codified by Congress, making it a law. There's lots of information available, much discussion of our founding fathers and their reasoning, however, Congress has never repealed.

Sorry, I thought I had attached the link to the previous article.

The Alien Enemies Act Paved the Way for Japanese American Incarceration. Let’s Keep It in the Past. - Densho: Japanese American Incarceration and Japanese Internment

Trump's threat to deport millions of immigrants if elected is based on the Alien Enemies Act, the same law behind Japanese American WWII incarceration.

densho.org

.....
During World War II, immediately after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Roosevelt invoked the Alien Enemies Act to authorize the government to detain enemy aliens and confiscate enemy property. Within hours of the attack, federal and local law enforcement began arresting Japanese immigrants as “enemy aliens” and suspected saboteurs — before an actual declaration of war, and largely without warrants or formal charges.

 

[Lilibet]

I’m not dumb enough to believe that this master database is “just” going to be used to round up immigrants. JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/25/politics/doge-building-master-database-immigration/index.html

Staffers from Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency are building a master database to speed-up immigration enforcement and deportations by combining sensitive data from across the federal government, multiple sources familiar with the plans tell CNN.

The goal is to create a massive repository of data pulled from various agencies, according to sources familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they aren’t authorized to talk about it. The administration has previously sought to centralize information from a number of agencies, including the Internal Revenue Service, the Social Security Administration and Health and Human Services, among others.

Palantir, a Silicon Valley data-analytics company co-founded by a Musk ally [Peter Thiel, JD Vance’s former employer and mentor] that has been used by immigration officials before for criminal investigations, is involved in building out the database. The company has long been ingesting and processing data from multiple ICE and DHS sources. The latest endeavor, however, is expected to go further by identifying people with civil immigration violations.

 

[SouthAussie]

No the date is correct, he utilized the AEA the day before, war declared 12/8. It was used to detain Japanese, German and Italian, legal and immigrants.

Either way, the US has still not declared war on a nation or government now. They are just rounding up immigrants (under the guise of rounding up gangs and cartels), erroneously using the Alien Enemies Act to do so.

It is probably not a good comparison. imo

 

[Simply Southern]

The US-born children were here legally, so I wonder what kind of crime or fraud they committed.

The children could have stayed, they are citizens. Heartbreaking, to think of being separated from your children.
I've seen a few guidance sheets on how to prepare and plan on the when a parent is deported.

Steps To Take To Prepare Your Family - Informed Immigrant

Create a plan to make sure that your family, your finances, and your future are as secure as possible in an uncertain time.

www.informedimmigrant.com

 

[sapphire blue]

And another now ex judge and another TDA accusation. Due process?

Ex-judge, wife into custody after claims of hosting Tren de Aragua member in Las Cruces

A spokesperson for ICE confirmed they were both taken into custody as part of an ongoing investigation led by Homeland Security Investigations.

kfoxtv.com

 

[Lilibet]

The children could have stayed, they are citizens. Heartbreaking, to think of being separated from your children.
I've seen a few guidance sheets on how to prepare and plan on the went a parent is deported.

Steps To Take To Prepare Your Family - Informed Immigrant

Create a plan to make sure that your family, your finances, and your future are as secure as possible in an uncertain time.

www.informedimmigrant.com

As was posted upthread by @TheTeach, they were held incommunicado and could not make arrangements for the children to stay. Although the guidelines are helpful, all the guidelines in the world don’t help if the government acts like Russia.

ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation | American Civil Liberties Union

Families disappeared and isolated without legal access; one child with cancer deported without medication and pregnant mother deported as well

www.aclu.org

In both cases, ICE held the families incommunicado, refusing or failing to respond to multiple attempts by attorneys and family members to contact them. In one instance, a mother was granted less than one minute on the phone before the call was abruptly terminated when her spouse tried to provide legal counsel’s phone number.

As a result, the families were completely isolated during critical moments when decisions were being made about the welfare of their minor children. This included decisions with serious implications for the health, safety, and legal rights of the children involved–without any opportunity to coordinate with caretakers or consult with legal representatives.

 

[Charlot123]

President Trump followed the exact procedure President Roosevelt followed in 1941, BEFORE the US declared war on Japan. The military immediately detained Japanese citizens, they were held for years in detainment facilities, without any type of trial.

The United States code, laws, statues inacted by Congress, empowered the president to declare National enemies. President Trump listed each US codes in the declaration. He also listed reasons, and documentation proving a connection of this cartel to the Venezuelan administration. The code was posted and a link on the previous thread.

It's not a stretch to declare cartels terrorist or a foreign enemy. Even their own government won't take them back, no one will take them back, except El Salvador.

Moo...

Respectfully, there is some mismatch of dates here.

December 7, 1941 - Pearl Harbor attack

December 8, 1941 - US declares war on Japan; Congress approves FDR's decision

December 11, 1941 - US Congress declares war on Nazi Germany

February 19, 1942 - President Roosevelt signs executive order 9066, leading to removal, arrest and detainment of US citizens of Japanese descent

March 29, 1942: Public Proclamation No. 4 issued, beginning the forced evacuation of Japanese-American West Coast residents. "all Japanese persons, both alien and non-alien, will be evacuated" from a number of areas on the Pacific coast and confined to "relocation camps" further inland.

Executive Order 9066: Resulting in Japanese-American Incarceration (1942)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: Executive Order 9066, February 19, 1942; General Records of the Unites States Government; Record Group 11; National Archives. View All Pages in the National Archives Catalog View Transcript Issued by President Franklin Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, this order...

www.archives.gov

Between Pearl Harbor and US declaring war, there was one day, not too much to happen during that time

The main fact is, US was already majorly involved in WWII when the executive order was signed. Internment of foreign nationals of the country with which your country is at war is a commonplace procedure in war time.

 

[Vern]

No the date is correct, he utilized the AEA the day before, war declared 12/8. It was used to detain Japanese, German and Italian, legal and immigrants.

President Trump's declination clearly states cartels are tied to the Venezuelan government. A list the US code providing the power to label them a national enemy, documentation of the connections to the Venezuelan government. This allowed him to then use the AEA.

The AEA is codified by Congress, making it a law. There's lots of information available, much discussion of our founding fathers and their reasoning, however, Congress has never repealed.

Sorry, I thought I had attached the link to the previous article.

The Alien Enemies Act Paved the Way for Japanese American Incarceration. Let’s Keep It in the Past. - Densho: Japanese American Incarceration and Japanese Internment

Trump's threat to deport millions of immigrants if elected is based on the Alien Enemies Act, the same law behind Japanese American WWII incarceration.

densho.org

.....
During World War II, immediately after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Roosevelt invoked the Alien Enemies Act to authorize the government to detain enemy aliens and confiscate enemy property. Within hours of the attack, federal and local law enforcement began arresting Japanese immigrants as “enemy aliens” and suspected saboteurs — before an actual declaration of war, and largely without warrants or formal charges.

Right, so it was invoked AFTER the Pearl Harbour attack began. After America was attacked by a foreign country in what amounted to an Act of War by Japan. Their act effectively declared war against you (the collective USofA 'you') on December 7th 1944. The US was, effectively" "at war" on December 7th. I'm quite certain that a quick seach will have one seeing that those Americans who died on that date fall under the "War Measures" for burials and family compensation etc.

After the attack being "key" to it's invocation. "By another country" also being key to it's invocation.

The comparison between then and now, what is legal and what is not, and whether a 'gang' (many of whom have not even been 'proven" to belong) to is akin to a country. Also akin to stating an elephant is comparable to a grain of sand.

IMO (and the SCOTUS' too).

 

[SouthAussie]

And another now ex judge and another TDA accusation. Due process?

Ex-judge, wife into custody after claims of hosting Tren de Aragua member in Las Cruces

A spokesperson for ICE confirmed they were both taken into custody as part of an ongoing investigation led by Homeland Security Investigations.

kfoxtv.com

I wonder if they have started looking at Mar A Lago staff yet. There must be a few 'Tren de Aragua' members working there. imo


Mar-a-Lago looked to employ 380 short-term foreign workers from 2017 to 2022, when Trump had access to classified documents, initially as president and ultimately as a former official living at the club.

Mar-a-Lago relies on foreign nationals to work as servers, cooks and housekeepers.

U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services’ guidelines allow U.S. employers to hire short-term, non-permanent foreign workers if “there are not enough U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified and available to do the temporary work.”

Mar-A-Lago Sought 380 Foreign Workers, Jim Jordan’s Got $100,000

Today we look at Mar-a-Lago’s staffing whilst Donald Trump had access to America's secrets.

www.forbes.com

 

[Vern]

I wonder if they have started looking at Mar A Lago staff yet. There must be a few 'Tren de Aragua' members working there. imo
...

RSBM,

Or at least someone with an Autism Awarness tattoo which is enough to get you exported to a third country's CECOT terrorism prison.

IMO.

 

[Lilibet]

It seems to me that the administration is normalizing the depriving of Americans of due process by starting with the marginalized ones.

If it's not stopped, it will progress until none of us have due process and can be arrested at will for no reason at all except whim.

You are absolutely right. It’s an attack on the Constitution using the fear of brown immigrants to gain approval. The lengths some go to defend this is unreal.

JMO

 

[Lilibet]

Good news for a change…

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook-remaking-government/2025/04/25/doge-slashes-disability-and-aging-services-00311303

FLIP FLOPPING: The Trump administration today reversed its abrupt terminations of student visa registrations for thousands of foreign students studying in the U.S. who had minor and often dismissed legal infractions, Cheney and JOSH GERSTEIN report. The DOJ announced the decision in federal court after facing weeks of backlash from courts and dozens of restraining orders who deemed it illegal.

The agency said that ICE is working on a new policy regarding foreign students on F-1 visas and until that policy is issued, “no students will have their online student-visa records terminated ‘solely based on’ criminal history checks that had flagged misdemeanor charges and dismissed cases,” Cheney and Gerstein write.

More here:

Trump administration reverses visa revocations for international students — for now

The government faced intense legal pushback for terminating visas for foreign students due to political views or infractions like DUIs.

www.msnbc.com

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Unfortunatey, it seems as if one of those American children may just have been dealt a death sentence by this administration based upon zero legal grounds or due process.

That's disgusting. No wonder they are masking and hiding their faces.

Indeed, yet Americans apparently have no reason 'to fear the ICEman' some will say.

So, they've now come - yet again - for American citizens who've comitted no crimes. This was all done contrary to US law and the US Constitution. Their 'arresters' need to be rounded up and charged. Lock them up ... after their own 'due process'.

Those are FACTS.

IMO.

At some point, kidnapping and human trafficking charges have to be filed and the irony is that the people responsible will have more due process than the victims they terrorized.

MOO.

 

[Lilibet]

This is a really good article published today in the Atlantic about Mr Abrego García. Not only does it detail the chronology and various actions by the government, but there is some new information about the initial reaction by the Justice Department, State Department and Homeland Security.

How the Trump Administration Flipped on Kilmar Abrego Garcia

Officials were developing a plan to get him back to the United States. Why did they stop?

www.yahoo.com

But in the days after the administration first discovered its mistake, instead of trying to foreclose Abrego Garcia’s return, officials looked for ways to bring him home. They puzzled over the fragmentary evidence tying him to gang membership. And they worried about his safety in a prison where he could be targeted for attack.

A lawsuit filed by Abrego Garcia’s family sparked urgent conversations among attorneys at the Departments of State, Justice, and Homeland Security who were involved in formulating the government’s response. Their discussion—which has not been previously reported—reflected serious concerns, at odds with the administration’s later statements, according to two people familiar with the conversations, as well as notes and memos I reviewed. Both people spoke with me on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter of ongoing litigation.

These conversations show that U.S. officials initially sought to resolve Abrego Garcia’s case quietly and ensure his safety through the conventional diplomatic channels they’ve used in other cases involving a mistaken deportation. This time, though, their efforts were abruptly halted.

 

[Lilibet]

Trump Tyranny Tracked Day 95

Trump Tyranny Tracker: Day 95

April 24, 2025

trumptyrannytracker.substack.com

If you scroll down toward the bottom to “In Resistance News,” there are some court cases Trump has lost, which is encouraging.

 

[Charlot123]

No the date is correct, he utilized the AEA the day before, war declared 12/8. It was used to detain Japanese, German and Italian, legal and immigrants.

President Trump's declination clearly states cartels are tied to the Venezuelan government. A list the US code providing the power to label them a national enemy, documentation of the connections to the Venezuelan government. This allowed him to then use the AEA.

The AEA is codified by Congress, making it a law. There's lots of information available, much discussion of our founding fathers and their reasoning, however, Congress has never repealed.

Sorry, I thought I had attached the link to the previous article.

The Alien Enemies Act Paved the Way for Japanese American Incarceration. Let’s Keep It in the Past. - Densho: Japanese American Incarceration and Japanese Internment

Trump's threat to deport millions of immigrants if elected is based on the Alien Enemies Act, the same law behind Japanese American WWII incarceration.

densho.org

.....
During World War II, immediately after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Roosevelt invoked the Alien Enemies Act to authorize the government to detain enemy aliens and confiscate enemy property. Within hours of the attack, federal and local law enforcement began arresting Japanese immigrants as “enemy aliens” and suspected saboteurs — before an actual declaration of war, and largely without warrants or formal charges.

Just my opinion. There are many pages of US history to learn, but when one looks for precedents, one has to compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges.

“Actions of US government after an attack on American soil” - here, one is free to discuss Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attack, for example.

“How did US government deal with organized crime and contraband” would imply, comparing how the government treated the bootleggers, the Sicilian mafia, and the cartels.

Comparing the incomparable leads us nowhere. MOO, of course.

 

[Lilibet]

I just discovered these old cartoons about immigrants. Nothing has changed. Previous immigrants try to keep out new ones.

The Politics of Panic

America's Never-Ending Fear of the New Immigrant

forgottenfiles.substack.com

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I really do care, do you ?

ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation | American Civil Liberties Union

Families disappeared and isolated without legal access; one child with cancer deported without medication and pregnant mother deported as well

www.aclu.org