People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[kuromiiiilove]

There was no "Muslim ban" under Trump. The ban was against immigration from certain nations that refused to participate in vetting people immigrating here. When someone applies, the US inquires of the originating nation for the immigrant's identity and qualifying information. Certain nations refused to cooperate. People from those nations were "banned." But many Muslim nations did cooperate and their citizens were allowed entry. So, how is that a Muslim ban?

Trump literally called it a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” That was his campaign promise. Those are his words. (NBC News, Dec 2015)

The policy wasn’t officially labeled a “Muslim ban,” but that doesn’t mean the intent wasn’t there. Courts reviewed Trump’s own public statements during his campaign and presidency and found clear evidence of religious bias. The Fourth Circuit Court said the order “drips with religious intolerance, animus, and discrimination.” (The Right to Be Free From Religious Intolerance: Trump v. IRAP | ACLU)

The first version of the ban applied only to Muslim-majority countries. These weren’t selected based purely on security data; they aligned closely with Trump’s earlier campaign rhetoric. None of the banned countries had produced attackers who carried out deadly attacks on U.S. soil in recent decades. Meanwhile, countries like Saudi Arabia (home to most of the 9/11 attackers) were left off the list, despite security concerns. That raised questions for many about whether the criteria were truly based on national security or something else.

 

[Kudzuu]

Lol, someone needs to tell Kristi Noem she was acting illegally yesterday when she had $3000 stolen with her purse whilst dining out
If people/government are assuming and implying having large amounts of money on your person is criminal then she fits in that category

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/21/politics/homeland-security-kristi-noem-purse-stolen/index.html

Moo
Ebm

They should have stolen the watch!

 

[keek]

I am late replying to your post, but wanted to thank you for bringing up the internment of the Japanese Americans during WW2. My grandparents and my parents were sent to Manzanar (my parents were yet in their teens, before they started dating). Both my mother and father were US citizens by birth.

As Google’s AI says: “The internment of Japanese Americans was widely considered unconstitutional due to its violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. The Fifth Amendment protects against the deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law, regardless of race.”

It certainly seems the current deportations are unconstitutional, as well, with the same violations.

jmo

Never forget. People need to read the stories of the unthinkable time for people and families, in AMERICA.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Americans will never ever be detained in foreign detention centers, ever. To take that serious, if he said it, is paranoia.

Snipped by me. If your defense of him is “he didn’t mean it”…how is that comforting? How can anyone feel safe under a president whose words we’re not supposed to take seriously?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Presidents have been revoking visas and deporting people for decades. The reaction was crickets. However, now with a President Trump it’s a so-called Constitutional Crisis.

It is absolutely a Constitutional crisis when you have a President who openly and proudly thumbs his nose at the courts, which this President has done. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that EVERYONE deserves due process. This was not done. It's a miracle the administration decided to listen to the Supreme Court's emergency halting of any other deportees to El Salvador over the weekend.

A visa is a privilege.

That cannot be taken away on a whim without due process, as the courts have ruled. If this administration has a problem with the Constitution, then they need to pursue further amendments to it, not just ignore it because they want to.

Entering the country unlawfully is illegal. 300,000 migrant children are unaccounted for in the U.S Where are the voices for these children? I don’t hear them anywhere.

This entire forum is about missing people, migrants included. But I would also welcome a thread specifically about the migrant children who have disappeared under ICE detention.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I didn't see this man posted about (maybe missed it, but the name didn't come up in search)

Venezuelan Immigrant Deported by Trump Administration Has Disappeared

The Venezuelan man does not appear on a list of people sent to a prison in El Salvador, and his family and friends have no idea of his whereabouts.

www.nytimes.com

An Immigrant Held in U.S. Custody ‘Has Simply Disappeared’​

The Venezuelan man does not appear on a list of people sent to a prison in El Salvador, and his family and friends have no idea of his whereabouts.

In late January, Ricardo Prada Vásquez, a Venezuelan immigrant working in a delivery job in Detroit, picked up an order at a McDonald’s. He was heading to the address when he erroneously turned onto the Ambassador Bridge, which leads to Canada. It is a common mistake even for those who live in the Michigan border city. But for Mr. Prada, 32, it proved fateful.

The U.S. authorities took Mr. Prada into custody when he attempted to re-enter the country; he was put in detention and ordered deported. On March 15, he told a friend in Chicago that he was among a number of detainees housed in Texas who expected to be repatriated to Venezuela.

That evening, the Trump administration flew three planes carrying Venezuelan migrants from the Texas facility to El Salvador, where they have been ever since, locked up in a maximum-security prison and denied contact with the outside world.

But Mr. Prada has not been heard from or seen. He is not on the list of 238 people who were deported to El Salvador that day. He does not appear in the photos and videos released by the authorities of shackled men with shaved heads.

“He has simply disappeared,” said Javier, a friend in Chicago, the last person with whom Mr. Prada had contact. The friend spoke about Mr. Prada on condition that he be identified only by his middle name, out of fear that he too could be targeted by the immigration authorities."

If he disappeared anywhere besides under ICE custody, we'd start a thread for him on Websleuths and sleuth the circumstances and his last known whereabouts. Perhaps we should do that now?

MOO.

 

[R Ross]

There was no "Muslim ban" under Trump. The ban was against immigration from certain nations that refused to participate in vetting people immigrating here. When someone applies, the US inquires of the originating nation for the immigrant's identity and qualifying information. Certain nations refused to cooperate. People from those nations were "banned." But many Muslim nations did cooperate and their citizens were allowed entry. So, how is that a Muslim ban?

If we want to talk about migrant children, here’s some truly sad articles about how they’ve been treated since Trump took over.

Trump admin hasn’t funded legal help for unaccompanied immigrant children despite judge’s order

Attorneys say the funding cutoff has caused chaos, with kids as young as 5 facing judges alone in immigration courts. Some are victims of sexual abuse and trafficking.

www.nbcnews.com

4-year-old migrant girl, other kids go to court in NYC with no lawyer: 'The cruelty is apparent'

The Trump administration cut funding for lawyers aiding unaccompanied minors in court.

gothamist.com

Immigration court’s youngest left to their own devices | CNN Politics

Every week, Evelyn Flores travels to government shelters in the Washington, DC, region for story time with migrant children, telling the tale of a cartoon cat learning to navigate a confusing immigration system with the help of his superhero lawyer.

amp.cnn.com

So there’s thousands of migrant children who have come here alone, or have been separated from their parents, who are now having to deal with court hearings BY THEMSELVES as the Trump Administration cut funding to one of the biggest contracts it had with a company that provided children with legal representation. The articles mention kids 4 and under who are having to join zoom calls with judges to discuss their own deportation and status updates. It’s actual insanity! So we can talk all about how immigrants have been deported for years but this current administration has done so much damage to the system and fundamentally changed how things have been done for years, to the detriment of children in this country. It’s appalling IMO.

There are no 4 year olds on a zoom meeting by themself. That is absurd on its face. This is the problem. There are those who believe every implausible catch phrase regurgitated. The funding you are speaking of was NEVER cut during the mass migration of immigrants during the Biden/Harris migration policy. And where are the lost children who the Biden/Harris admin were responsible for? NGO’s are the organizations you are referring to that funding has been cut by Trump administration and rightly so. They failed these children and may have exploited them for the money. Just my opinion. The amount of waste and fraud was unprecedented. The children were the last on their agenda. I promise you out of those 300,000 plus, 1,000’s have been sexually exploited and it is going on now. Who actually knows the unprecedented numbers.

 

[PrairieWind]

History will remember all who were complicit.

complicit in what? In allowing/encouraging so many people to enter illegally thus giving them no/limited recourse for due

Trump literally called it a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” That was his campaign promise. Those are his words. (NBC News, Dec 2015)

The policy wasn’t officially labeled a “Muslim ban,” but that doesn’t mean the intent wasn’t there. Courts reviewed Trump’s own public statements during his campaign and presidency and found clear evidence of religious bias. The Fourth Circuit Court said the order “drips with religious intolerance, animus, and discrimination.” (The Right to Be Free From Religious Intolerance: Trump v. IRAP | ACLU)

The first version of the ban applied only to Muslim-majority countries. These weren’t selected based purely on security data; they aligned closely with Trump’s earlier campaign rhetoric. None of the banned countries had produced attackers who carried out deadly attacks on U.S. soil in recent decades. Meanwhile, countries like Saudi Arabia (home to most of the 9/11 attackers) were left off the list, despite security concerns. That raised questions for many about whether the criteria were truly based on national security or something else.

But the Supreme Court did agree with Trump that the rule was not a "Muslim ban" and was permitted. They ruled the president's campaign comments were not relevant since the language of the order spoke otherwise. Not all Muslims were banned (in fact most Muslim nations were not effected, and even Muslim from the affected nations could still enter) and some banned were not Muslim or from Muslim nations. The entire "Muslim ban" was a made up scare tactic as the Court stated.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

complicit in what? In allowing/encouraging so many people to enter illegally thus giving them no/limited recourse for due

Complicit in human rights violations, in treating human beings like garbage and shipping them off to a foreign prison without due process for a misdemeanor offense at most (and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if LEGAL immigrants are sitting in El Salvador). It is absolutely wrong, both morally and legally. And yes, history will remember every single person who was complicit in this from Trump to Bukele to Rubio to Bondi to Noem.

MOO.

 

[Kudzuu]

His wife and politicians are the only folks I hear defending this gentleman. Makes me wonder why, if he's such a good guy, his neighbors, coworkers, employer or the wife's family, haven't spoken up on his behalf.
Moo

Maybe they are afraid they'll get deported too? Or maybe it hasn't been done on an approved source?

Anyway, it isn't about him it is about due process. Moo

 

[sds71]

The deadline for the government is 6pm tomorrow to provide answers on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.100.0_1.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914805563172528193

 

[R Ross]

It is absolutely a Constitutional crisis when you have a President who openly and proudly thumbs his nose at the courts, which this President has done. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that EVERYONE deserves due process. This was not done. It's a miracle the administration decided to listen to the Supreme Court's emergency halting of any other deportees to El Salvador over the weekend.



That cannot be taken away on a whim without due process, as the courts have ruled. If this administration has a problem with the Constitution, then they need to pursue further amendments to it, not just ignore it because they want to.



This entire forum is about missing people, migrants included. But I would also welcome a thread specifically about the migrant children who have disappeared under ICE detention.

MOO.

They will get their due process in Texas

 

[Summerliz03]

There are no 4 year olds on a zoom meeting by themself. That is absurd on its face. This is the problem. There are those who believe every implausible catch phrase regurgitated. The funding you are speaking of was NEVER cut during the mass migration of immigrants during the Biden/Harris migration policy. And where are the lost children who the Biden/Harris admin were responsible for? NGO’s are the organizations you are referring to that funding has been cut by Trump administration and rightly so. They failed these children and may have exploited them for the money. Just my opinion. The amount of waste and fraud was unprecedented. The children were the last on their agenda. I promise you out of those 300,000 plus, 1,000’s have been sexually exploited and it is going on now. Who actually knows the unprecedented numbers.

If you read any of the articles, children who are currently being housed in a shelter, have no legal representation on a zoom and the only adult helping them is a shelter worker with zero legal experience. So no, the kids aren’t technically alone on the zoom, but they have no lawyer present to help them. It’s a judge, a translator, a shelter worker and groups of children under the age of 18. That is a huge problem.

And if you want to say that these NGOs that were responsible for helping the migrant children retain a lawyer were corrupt and full of “waste and fraud” - ok, then why weren’t corruption or fraud charges filed against them? How was the Trump administration able to determine in less than 60 days that they were “corrupt” and completely cut off all their federal funding? Seems like a very large undertaking that would have legal ramifications if the corruption that you speak of is true, not something that could be determined that quickly.

ETA: it seems like a judge also agrees that Trump and his team couldn’t just cut off the funding to the NGOs. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/02/nx-s...-administration-legal-aid-to-migrant-children

 

[SouthAussie]

The deadline for the government is 6pm tomorrow to provide answers on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.100.0_1.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914805563172528193

This is what Trump's attorneys have provided for discovery ..... they have been asked (ordered) to provide what they are doing to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return.

“Its document production consists entirely of public filings from the dockets, copies of Plaintiffs’ own discovery requests and correspondence, and two non-substantive cover emails transmitting declarations filed in this case. Its interrogatory responses are similarly non-responsive,” they wrote in a court filing.

‘That ends now’: Judge overseeing Abrego Garcia case knocks Trump administration for repeated stonewalling

By Devan Cole, CNN (CNN) — The Trump administration is not acting in “good faith” as part of the expedited fact-finding process unfolding in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the federal judge overseeing the matter ruled Tuesday, accusing officials of intentional noncompliance with their...

ktvz.com

 

[PrairieWind]

Complicit in human rights violations, in treating human beings like garbage and shipping them off to a foreign prison without due process for a misdemeanor offense at most (and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if LEGAL immigrants are sitting in El Salvador). It is absolutely wrong, both morally and legally. And yes, history will remember every single person who was complicit in this from Trump to Bukele to Rubio to Bondi to Noem.

MOO.

It can equally be said that the ones who really should be held both morally and legally responsible are Biden and Obama and any one of those organizations that facilitated the transportation of people into the country by other than legal immigration means, knowing full well that eventually they would have to be removed.

 

[R Ross]

It is absolutely a Constitutional crisis when you have a President who openly and proudly thumbs his nose at the courts, which this President has done. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that EVERYONE deserves due process. This was not done. It's a miracle the administration decided to listen to the Supreme Court's emergency halting of any other deportees to El Salvador over the weekend.



That cannot be taken away on a whim without due process, as the courts have ruled. If this administration has a problem with the Constitution, then they need to pursue further amendments to it, not just ignore it because they want to.



This entire forum is about missing people, migrants included. But I would also welcome a thread specifically about the migrant children who have disappeared under ICE detention.

MOO.

I agree. Their whereabouts are worrisome. Unfortunately I drifted.

 

[SouthAussie]

It can equally be said that the ones who really should be held both morally and legally responsible are Biden and Obama and any one of those organizations that facilitated the transportation of people into the country by other than legal immigration means, knowing full well that eventually they would have to be removed.

Whataboutism.

As far as I am aware, the US has never before paid to have another country hold human beings from the US in their mega prison. And ones who have had no due process.

imo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

They will get their due process in Texas

I'm not holding my breath for that. Trump has already said that he doesn't want to give due process because it'll take too long, as if that's any kind of sound excuse for trampling on people's rights.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5259657-trump-courts-migrant-deportations/

 

[PrairieWind]

Whataboutism.

As far as I am aware, the US has never before paid to have another country hold human beings from the US in their mega prison. And ones who have had no due process.

imo

what "whataboutism?"
They are people that are being deported. They are not "US prisoners." Their own countries would not take them, they can't stay here. The last administration put them in 5 star hotels, this administration isn't.

 

[R Ross]

You haven't been here but a minute, so that is a pretty bold assertion. The voices for missing, unaccounted for vulnerable and marginalized children, both citizen and undocumented/illegal ones can be heard throughout the threads on this site.

Whether a minute or a decade is of no consequence. I started the over 300,000 missing thread. The exploited are on my mind and in my heart. My daughter was raped and believe me it doesn’t fall short on me. I’m very familiar with exploitation of the young and vulnerable. I recommend people to come to this forum whether just joining or who have been here years to share thought and attention to these precious children who are lost. It will take all of us regardless how long we’ve been here. I actually came here to Websleuths to help bring comfort to the victims of unsolved crimes. I need to get back on track.