People being detained and "exported" by ICE

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I don't understand what cherry picking data about violent criminals has to do with this conversation. Yes, there are illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes, just as there are legal citizens who commit violent crimes. So unless you're trying to generalize the whole population I don't really see the relevancy.
 
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Ahhhhh, so that's how they "confirm" them ... by their Real Madrid, rose, Chicago Bulls or Michael Jordan-23 tattoos. Was it a 2-pointer or a 3-pointer 'awarded' by the assessor?? So much for the legal requirements of due process.

I've a couple rose tattoos so thank goodness that I am now retired and thus have no further need - or desire - to return to the USofA lest I end up in an internment camp in El Salvador.
 
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The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he’s now locked up.

The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador’s grim “Terrorism Confinement Center” on March 15.

“Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government…

“Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s ‘primacy in foreign affairs’ outweighs the interests of Garcia Abrego and his family.



 
  • #124

The Independent

Cornell student protester facing deportation leaves the US on his 'own terms' after losing faith​

 
  • #125

The Independent

Cornell student protester facing deportation leaves the US on his 'own terms' after losing faith​

Let’s take a closer look at Momodou Taal.

Keep in mind the article I’m linking is dated September 28, 2024, before the current administration.

A third-year PhD candidate in Africana studies who also teaches a first-year writing seminar called "What is Blackness? Race and Processes of Racialization," Taal is at Cornell in Ithaca, New York, under the F-1 student visa program.

He was among four Cornell students suspended in the spring for participating in a pro-Palestinian encampment on campus. The university informed Taal of a second "temporary suspension" on Monday in connection with a protest on September 18.

University officials have told Taal that the latest suspension would lead to his F-1 visa being terminated, which he says means he is "effectively" facing deportation.
 
  • #126
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
  • #127
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Except the people who built this country and the ones who continue to build its greatness from across the globe. Unless you're not white. IMO
 
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Let’s take a closer look at Momodou Taal.

Keep in mind the article I’m linking is dated September 28, 2024, before the current administration.

A third-year PhD candidate in Africana studies who also teaches a first-year writing seminar called "What is Blackness? Race and Processes of Racialization," Taal is at Cornell in Ithaca, New York, under the F-1 student visa program.

He was among four Cornell students suspended in the spring for participating in a pro-Palestinian encampment on campus. The university informed Taal of a second "temporary suspension" on Monday in connection with a protest on September 18.

University officials have told Taal that the latest suspension would lead to his F-1 visa being terminated, which he says means he is "effectively" facing deportation.
You're missing some important points out though, per article that you have posted:
he is the first Cornell student to be deported by the university without following its due process or without evidence being reviewed - that's illegal, right?
At least 7000 people have signed for him to re instated at the university - that includes staff of the university
The Cornell Chapter of the American Association of university professors have called for the temporary suspension to be rescinded.
A minimum of 7000 independent, free thinking individuals attending and working at Cornell think that this is wrong.
He was not the only student protesting, yet he is the only one from that university being deported - why??

Moo
 
  • #129
I don't understand what cherry picking data about violent criminals has to do with this conversation. Yes, there are illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes, just as there are legal citizens who commit violent crimes. So unless you're trying to generalize the whole population I don't really see the relevancy.
Being in the country illegally is a crime. Committing further crimes against our laws and citizens, US taxpayers should not have to pay for incarceration of illegal immigrants. Those funds are better used to help our citizens.
We spend enough housing our own citizens who choose to break our laws.
Moo...
 
  • #130
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Thank you @LaborDayRN ….. and maybe already clear up thread…… and for any that might have missed it me included bears repeating….. that inscription is from IIUC The Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island, NY. Not far from Ellis Island where many ancestors have immigrated. I believe it was ascribed to and was penned by Emma Lazarus November 2, 1883.

This brief article ‘Poetry of Lady Liberty’, The New Colossus - 1883, online at the Statue of Liberty Ellis Island Foundation has some more details on it:


My own paternal grandfather and his family immigrated here through Baltimore, ultimately settling in Milwaukee, WI. And he was in WWI USN at sea in Murmansk, Archangel, Spalato (Split) Croatia, Italy etc. And he was also stateside at Great Lakes in WWII. MOO
 
  • #131
Let’s take a closer look at Momodou Taal.

Keep in mind the article I’m linking is dated September 28, 2024, before the current administration.

A third-year PhD candidate in Africana studies who also teaches a first-year writing seminar called "What is Blackness? Race and Processes of Racialization," Taal is at Cornell in Ithaca, New York, under the F-1 student visa program.

He was among four Cornell students suspended in the spring for participating in a pro-Palestinian encampment on campus. The university informed Taal of a second "temporary suspension" on Monday in connection with a protest on September 18.

University officials have told Taal that the latest suspension would lead to his F-1 visa being terminated, which he says means he is "effectively" facing deportation.
Very happy to see colleges are taking student safety and security seriously.

A visa is a privilege, not a right. Those seeking visas agree to terms and conditions, including obeying our laws, and school regulations. Setting up encampments on school property it's a violation of Code of Student Conduct, and violation of noise regulations. The encampment at my granddaughter's college, banged drums, used loud speakers and chanting all night, disrupting studying and sleep for many.

Tasi was suspended last year for an encampment and made the choice to do so again. I think Cornell was more than fair, they gave him a second chance, he chose to abuse this. He violated the Code of Student Conduct, that's pretty serious at any University. It's clear he does not respect our laws, nor the school he was accepted to. Yes, he needs to go back to his home in Britain and finish his degree.
Moo
 
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Being in the country illegally is a crime. Committing further crimes against our laws and citizens, US taxpayers should not have to pay for incarceration of illegal immigrants. Those funds are better used to help our citizens.
We spend enough housing our own citizens who choose to break our laws.
Moo...
Being present in the US without documentation is a civil offense, not a criminal one.

Edit: sorry, meant to add a link. Are undocumented immigrants committing a crime? Not necessarily | CNN Politics
 
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Being in the country illegally is a crime. Committing further crimes against our laws and citizens, US taxpayers should not have to pay for incarceration of illegal immigrants. Those funds are better used to help our citizens.
We spend enough housing our own citizens who choose to break our laws.
Moo...
Not always. If they had been previously deported and then reentered or entered without proper inspection or authorization at a port of entry, it can be a criminal offence. But overstaying a visa is a civil offence, not criminal, the penalty is typically deportation or removal, not criminal punishment. Being undocumented is not a reason to suspend due process and the right to legal counsel. This is not my opinion, this is fact.
 
  • #135
You're missing some important points out though, per article that you have posted:
he is the first Cornell student to be deported by the university without following its due process or without evidence being reviewed - that's illegal, right?
At least 7000 people have signed for him to re instated at the university - that includes staff of the university
The Cornell Chapter of the American Association of university professors have called for the temporary suspension to be rescinded.
A minimum of 7000 independent, free thinking individuals attending and working at Cornell think that this is wrong.
He was not the only student protesting, yet he is the only one from that university being deported - why??

Moo
He’s being deported because he lost his F-1 status. I don’t know how many others were on F-1 Visas but the article said most of the students were American citizens.

I’m glad he chose to leave. It makes no sense for him to stay. imo
 
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Also, undocumented immigrants pay both federal and state taxes, to the tune of $97B in 2022 per this article. Yet they aren’t allowed to take advantage of any of the taxpayer benefits such as Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps/SNAP or Social Security.

Yes and some use stolen SS numbers, per your article.
In 1995, this happen I me. Someone use my SS number to work at a poultry processing plant in Virginia. When I filed my taxes it was red flagged. It cost me several thousand dollars in tax attorney fees and assistance of my US Senator to straighten this out. I was responsible for the taxes on the processing plant job initially. It also affected filing scholarships and grants for my daughter's college education. It was determined, the breech was actually at the college, over 400 social security numbers were used in the same 30 mile radius.

I personally suffered much mental anguish with this situation. I'm a firm believer those in our country need to follow all of our laws, including legal citizenship.
Moo
 
  • #137
He’s being deported because he lost his F-1 status. I don’t know how many others were on F-1 Visas but the article said most of the students were American citizens.

I’m glad he chose to leave. It makes no sense for him to stay. imo
He lost it because the university terminated it by saying he wasn't meeting the requirements of the F1 by being a full time academic student, because they suspended him. They then didn't follow due process and didn't bother looking at evidence of the allegations for/against him or offer him the opportunity to defend himself.
You don't have concerns about that?

Moo
 
  • #138
Being in the country illegally is a crime. Committing further crimes against our laws and citizens, US taxpayers should not have to pay for incarceration of illegal immigrants. Those funds are better used to help our citizens.
We spend enough housing our own citizens who choose to break our laws.
Moo...

Well, you are paying for their incarceration, regardless. They are not all being immediately deported, and some may never be deported.

If 'you' truly wanted to avoid taxpayers paying for their incarceration, maybe 'you' should not incarcerate them. But instead put them through the courts.


a.webp

‘Detention Alley’: inside the Ice centres in the US south where foreign students and undocumented migrants languish
 
  • #139
He lost it because the university terminated it by saying he wasn't meeting the requirements of the F1 by being a full time academic student, because they suspended him. They then didn't follow due process and didn't bother looking at evidence of the allegations for/against him or offer him the opportunity to defend himself.
You don't have concerns about that?

Moo
To me, it seems like the Trump administration is just trying to fast track a lot of the student protestors removals because they know what they are doing is illegal, so they do it quickly to avoid it getting tied up in court because they know they aren’t following due process. They don’t alert a lot of these visa holders that their visa has been revoked, detain them, then ship them off to a deportation center and it’s all “oops, sorry, too late!” Like in the case of the MD man who was thought to be a Venezuelan gang member and the Tufts University student who ended up in LA despite the court saying she should not leave the state.
 
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He’s being deported because he lost his F-1 status. I don’t know how many others were on F-1 Visas but the article said most of the students were American citizens.

I’m glad he chose to leave. It makes no sense for him to stay. imo

As your post confusingly says, he is not being deported ... he chose to leave.

His choice may, in fact, leave the door open for him to return at some point in the future. As he has never been deported. Nor been convicted of a felony crime.

Wise choice.

imo
 
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