People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[sds71]

@kyledcheney

JUST IN: Judge rules that Mahmoud Khalil's habeas case should go forward in New Jersey because that's where he was when the petition was filed.Here's his 67-page analysis of that issue:https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.564334/gov.uscourts.njd.564334.153.0_1.pdf

 

[Lyanna]

To me, it seems like the Trump administration is just trying to fast track a lot of the student protestors removals because they know what they are doing is illegal, so they do it quickly to avoid it getting tied up in court because they know they aren’t following due process. They don’t alert a lot of these visa holders that their visa has been revoked, detain them, then ship them off to a deportation center and it’s all “oops, sorry, too late!” Like in the case of the MD man who was thought to be a Venezuelan gang member and the Tufts University student who ended up in LA despite the court saying she should not leave the state.

You'd think there'd be more outrage of a government treating people this way, wouldn't you?
The officials elected into post by the people of the States committing criminal acts under the guise of making America safe by deporting legal migrants and by deporting students.
Have they actually deported any illegal immigrants because the people they're saying they've deported as a "week 10 win" isn't true.
How much is all this costing the average hard working American taxpayer?

Moo

 

[SouthAussie]

You'd think there'd be more outrage of a government treating people this way, wouldn't you?
The officials elected into post by the people of the States committing criminal acts under the guise of making America safe by deporting legal migrants and by deporting students.
Have they actually deported any illegal immigrants because the ones they're saying they've deported as a "week 10 win" isn't true.
How much is all this costing the average hard working American taxpayer?

Moo

"Taxpayers are facing huge costs, with deportation flights averaging $4,675 per person, much higher than standard airfares."

"While commercial flights typically cost around $853 for a first-class seat, Trump’s deportation flights are burning through taxpayer dollars at a much higher rate. According to reports, military deportation flights are averaging an eye-watering $4,675 per person, more than five times the cost of a luxury airfare.

Some estimates suggest that costs fluctuate depending on the type of aircraft used, with a C-17 military transport flight running at $252,000 per trip and a C-130E flight soaring to an astronomical $852,000 per mission.

Even standard Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deportation flights—separate from military operations—are racking up around $8,577 per flight. In a country already grappling with inflation, economic uncertainty, and a growing deficit, these numbers are sparking outrage among critics who argue that Trump's latest MAGA venture is costing America more than it's worth."

The cost of MAGA: How much is America paying for Donald Trump's deportation crackdown?

 

[Lyanna]

"Taxpayers are facing huge costs, with deportation flights averaging $4,675 per person, much higher than standard airfares."

"While commercial flights typically cost around $853 for a first-class seat, Trump’s deportation flights are burning through taxpayer dollars at a much higher rate. According to reports, military deportation flights are averaging an eye-watering $4,675 per person, more than five times the cost of a luxury airfare.

Some estimates suggest that costs fluctuate depending on the type of aircraft used, with a C-17 military transport flight running at $252,000 per trip and a C-130E flight soaring to an astronomical $852,000 per mission.

Even standard Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deportation flights—separate from military operations—are racking up around $8,577 per flight. In a country already grappling with inflation, economic uncertainty, and a growing deficit, these numbers are sparking outrage among critics who argue that Trump's latest MAGA venture is costing America more than it's worth."

The cost of MAGA: How much is America paying for Donald Trump's deportation crackdown?

Wow!!
That's just the flights. Not even the cost of the detention centres they're being held in beforehand, the transport to the planes being used. Then there will be all those civil cases.
Donald single handedly destroying America.

Moo

 

[SouthAussie]

You'd think there'd be more outrage of a government treating people this way, wouldn't you?
The officials elected into post by the people of the States committing criminal acts under the guise of making America safe by deporting legal migrants and by deporting students.
Have they actually deported any illegal immigrants because the people they're saying they've deported as a "week 10 win" isn't true.
How much is all this costing the average hard working American taxpayer?

Moo

Another link ....

Mass Deportation:
In total, we find that the cost of a one-time mass deportation operation aimed at both those populations—an estimated total is at least $315 billion.

On-going Deportation:
In order to estimate the costs of a longer-term mass deportation operation, we calculated the cost of a program aiming to arrest, detain, process, and deport one million people per year—paralleling the more conservative proposals made by mass-deportation proponents. ..... we estimate the ultimate cost of such a longer operation would average out to $88 billion annually.

Even this estimate is likely quite conservative, as we were unable to estimate the additional hiring costs for the tens of thousands of agents needed to carry out one million arrests per year, the additional capital investments necessary to increase the ICE Air Operations fleet of charter aircraft to carry out one million annual deportations, and a myriad of other ancillary costs necessary to ramp up federal immigration enforcement operations to the scale necessary.

Mass Deportation: Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy

The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economy—one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

 

[Lyanna]

Another link ....

Mass Deportation:
In total, we find that the cost of a one-time mass deportation operation aimed at both those populations—an estimated total is at least $315 billion.

On-going Deportation:
In order to estimate the costs of a longer-term mass deportation operation, we calculated the cost of a program aiming to arrest, detain, process, and deport one million people per year—paralleling the more conservative proposals made by mass-deportation proponents. ..... we estimate the ultimate cost of such a longer operation would average out to $88 billion annually.

Even this estimate is likely quite conservative, as we were unable to estimate the additional hiring costs for the tens of thousands of agents needed to carry out one million arrests per year, the additional capital investments necessary to increase the ICE Air Operations fleet of charter aircraft to carry out one million annual deportations, and a myriad of other ancillary costs necessary to ramp up federal immigration enforcement operations to the scale necessary.

Mass Deportation: Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy

The mass deportation of millions of undocumented individuals would be tremendously expensive and would have a catastrophic impact on our economy—one that would be expansive and impact every American. The American Immigration Council analyzes the fiscal costs and economic impacts of such a mass...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Oh geez.
And people have voted someone whose declared bankruptcy 6 times to be in a position to authorise this.
Unreal.

Moo
Ebm

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

More about the deported Maryland father.

On Tuesday, Department of Homeland Security’s spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin hit back at critics who have painted Abrego Garcia as an innocent victim of Trump’s fast-moving deportation raids.

“Whether he is in El Salvador or a detention facility in the U.S., he should be locked up,” McLaughlin said on X.

Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that DHS has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

Trump admin defends arrest of migrant who was sent to El Salvador’s hellhole megaprison by mistake: ‘He should be locked up’

DHS says Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that ICE has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

nypost.com

 

[airportwoman]

Yes and some use stolen SS numbers, per your article.
In 1995, this happen I me. Someone use my SS number to work at a poultry processing plant in Virginia. When I filed my taxes it was red flagged. It cost me several thousand dollars in tax attorney fees and assistance of my US Senator to straighten this out. I was responsible for the taxes on the processing plant job initially. It also affected filing scholarships and grants for my daughter's college education. It was determined, the breech was actually at the college, over 400 social security numbers were used in the same 30 mile radius.

I personally suffered much mental anguish with this situation. I'm a firm believer those in our country need to follow all of our laws, including legal citizenship.
Moo

I've also heard of people using "fake" SSNs to dodge creditors. It always catches up with them.

 

[airportwoman]

More about the deported Maryland father.

On Tuesday, Department of Homeland Security’s spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin hit back at critics who have painted Abrego Garcia as an innocent victim of Trump’s fast-moving deportation raids.

“Whether he is in El Salvador or a detention facility in the U.S., he should be locked up,” McLaughlin said on X.

Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that DHS has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

Trump admin defends arrest of migrant who was sent to El Salvador’s hellhole megaprison by mistake: ‘He should be locked up’

DHS says Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that ICE has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

nypost.com

A couple weeks ago, there was a big kerfluffle about a kidney transplant specialist who was deported. It turned out she had a long history of endorsing Hamas, and there was evidence that she was involved in some aspects or terrorism. Did the authorities do proper due process? Some people say they didn't, and if that's true, it needs to be fixed, but I have a feeling that precious few people are being deported without justification.

 

[SouthAussie]

More about the deported Maryland father.

On Tuesday, Department of Homeland Security’s spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin hit back at critics who have painted Abrego Garcia as an innocent victim of Trump’s fast-moving deportation raids.

“Whether he is in El Salvador or a detention facility in the U.S., he should be locked up,” McLaughlin said on X.

Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that DHS has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

Trump admin defends arrest of migrant who was sent to El Salvador’s hellhole megaprison by mistake: ‘He should be locked up’

DHS says Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that ICE has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

nypost.com

He has a protected legal status - ruled by a judge in 2019.
The WH is now fluffing around to try to act like they didn't screw up. imo


..... is a legal resident protected by a 2019 court order that prevented him from being sent back to his home country.

A man was sent to El Salvador due to 'administrative error' despite protected legal status, filings show

Kilmar Abrego Garcia "was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error," a Monday court filing said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[SouthAussie]

A couple weeks ago, there was a big kerfluffle about a kidney transplant specialist who was deported. It turned out she had a long history of endorsing Hamas, and there was evidence that she was involved in some aspects or terrorism. Did the authorities do proper due process? Some people say they didn't, and if that's true, it needs to be fixed, but I have a feeling that precious few people are being deported without justification.

Speaking out about the ongoing slaughter of Palestinians is not endorsing Hamas or acting like a terrorist. imo

My country also does not like the ongoing slaughter of Palestinians. We do not support Hamas or any terrorist organisation. And we like the Jewish people. No general bigotry against Palestinians or Jewish people here.

 

[Summerliz03]

He has a protected legal status - ruled by a judge in 2019.
The WH is now fluffing around to try to act like they didn't screw up. imo


..... is a legal resident protected by a 2019 court order that prevented him from being sent back to his home country.

A man was sent to El Salvador due to 'administrative error' despite protected legal status, filings show

Kilmar Abrego Garcia "was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error," a Monday court filing said.

www.nbcnews.com

To piggyback on this comment, I found this article in Forbes, and here's some quotes directly from Abrego Garcia's lawyer, from his court filings:

Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador at the age of 16 in 2011 after he faced threats from gang members there attempting to extort his parents and was granted protection from deportation in 2019 by a judge who determined he could be targeted by gangs if he returned, according to court filings.

Abrego Garcia lived in Maryland with his wife, a U.S. citizen, and their 5-year-old son, and worked as a full-time sheetmetal apprentice; he has no criminal record in the U.S. or El Salvador, his attorney, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, said in a court filing.

Here’s What To Know About Kilmar Abrego Garcia—Father Mistakenly Deported By ICE

The White House said Tuesday Abrego Garcia would not be returning to the U.S., despite an ICE official admitting to a judge a day earlier that his deportation to El Salvador’s notorious Terrorism Confinement Center was an “oversight.”

www.forbes.com

So his lawyer testified in court that he has no criminal record in either the US or El Salvador and it seems like he was being targeted and extorted by gangs in El Salvador prior to immigrating to the US (probably because he was refusing to join the gang)

Seems like the White House is the only one insisting that he's a gang member without any actual proof and is contradicting actual filed legal documents stating the opposite. Interesting that earlier today they were admitting the "error" but now they are doubling down.

 

[brittanyoshell]

Being in the country illegally is a crime. Committing further crimes against our laws and citizens, US taxpayers should not have to pay for incarceration of illegal immigrants. Those funds are better used to help our citizens.
We spend enough housing our own citizens who choose to break our laws.
Moo...

Immigrants spend enough housing your citizens. Nearly 100 billion in taxes per year to your government.

 

[Lyanna]

He has a protected legal status - ruled by a judge in 2019.
The WH is now fluffing around to try to act like they didn't screw up. imo


..... is a legal resident protected by a 2019 court order that prevented him from being sent back to his home country.

A man was sent to El Salvador due to 'administrative error' despite protected legal status, filings show

Kilmar Abrego Garcia "was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error," a Monday court filing said.

www.nbcnews.com

There's no criminal convictions for this gentleman either, not in the States or El Salvador, also no evidence provided by the government to back up their allegations of gang affiliation let alone human trafficking.
Since when can laws be changed at a whim?
Why is the Trump administration lying all over social media about this man and how is it acceptable?

Moo

 

[GOBliaison]

"Taxpayers are facing huge costs, with deportation flights averaging $4,675 per person, much higher than standard airfares."

"While commercial flights typically cost around $853 for a first-class seat, Trump’s deportation flights are burning through taxpayer dollars at a much higher rate. According to reports, military deportation flights are averaging an eye-watering $4,675 per person, more than five times the cost of a luxury airfare.

Some estimates suggest that costs fluctuate depending on the type of aircraft used, with a C-17 military transport flight running at $252,000 per trip and a C-130E flight soaring to an astronomical $852,000 per mission.

Even standard Department of Homeland Security (DHS) deportation flights—separate from military operations—are racking up around $8,577 per flight. In a country already grappling with inflation, economic uncertainty, and a growing deficit, these numbers are sparking outrage among critics who argue that Trump's latest MAGA venture is costing America more than it's worth."

The cost of MAGA: How much is America paying for Donald Trump's deportation crackdown?

Reality check:
Assuming, arguendo, your bookkeeping is fine, your cited costs are [imo] relative nickels and dimes, i.e. far, FAR less than allowing any variety of scofflaw to remain within the continental United States....
...these same being on my dime, and to the consequential detriment of my children and those generations of assimilating Americans, with God's grace, fortunate enough to come to and remain here legally.

 

[SouthAussie]

Reality check:
Assuming, arguendo, your bookkeeping is fine ...

Not my bookkeeping. My post was a direct quote.

The American Immigration Council have produced the very conservative amounts. They were unable to quantify the additional expenses of .... increase the ICE Air Operations fleet of charter aircraft to carry out one million annual deportations, and a myriad of other ancillary costs necessary to ramp up federal immigration enforcement operations to the scale necessary. (as per my previous post)

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Speaking out about the ongoing slaughter of Palestinians is not endorsing Hamas or acting like a terrorist. imo

My country also does not like the ongoing slaughter of Palestinians. We do not support Hamas or any terrorist organisation. And we like the Jewish people. No general bigotry against Palestinians or Jewish people here.

And I doubt you would be going to the Hezbollah leader’s funeral like this woman did.

ETA - Link

“Last month, Rasha Alawieh traveled to Beirut, Lebanon, to attend the funeral of Hassan Nasrallah – a brutal terrorist who led Hezbollah, responsible for killing hundreds of Americans over a four-decade terror spree,” a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said.

“A visa is a privilege not a right – glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be denied. This is commonsense security,” the spokesperson added.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/17/us/brown-university-doctor-deported-hnk/index.html

 

[SouthAussie]

And I doubt you would be going to the Hezbollah leader’s funeral like this woman did.

ETA - Link

“Last month, Rasha Alawieh traveled to Beirut, Lebanon, to attend the funeral of Hassan Nasrallah – a brutal terrorist who led Hezbollah, responsible for killing hundreds of Americans over a four-decade terror spree,” a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said.

“A visa is a privilege not a right – glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be denied. This is commonsense security,” the spokesperson added.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/17/us/brown-university-doctor-deported-hnk/index.html

No, I wouldn't. She technically didn't either .... "she had joined the many thousands who gathered on the road outside the stadium where the funeral was held, but that she "did not attend the ceremony inside the stadium" Link

But, either way, I don't see how that makes a kidney transplant specialist and professor at Brown University a terrorist or a threat to the US. I think the US has more nazi sympathisers and other internal radicals that it should have more concerns about than a kidney transplant specialist. imo

Now the US has lost a kidney transplant specialist and Lebanon has gained one. A US loss, a Lebanese gain.

I think the US needs someone with logic behind these decisions. Like maybe a fair-minded judge.

imo

 

[acutename]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5218277-european-universities-target-scientists-us/

 

[tarabull]

Neil Young says he may be barred from returning to US over Donald Trump criticism

The US-Canadian dual citizen speculates he may be ‘barred or put in jail to sleep on a cement floor’ after his European tour, after years of speaking against Trump

www.theguardian.com

Snipped...
...“When I go to play music in Europe, if I talk about Donald J Trump, I may be one of those returning to America who is barred or put in jail to sleep on a cement floor with an aluminium blanket,” Young wrote. “That is happening all the time now. Countries have new advice for those returning to America.”

Young will tour across Europe in June and July – his first shows on the continent in six years – before returning to the US in August.

“If I come back from Europe and am barred, can’t play my USA tour, all of the folks who bought tickets will not be able to come to a concert by me,” he wrote. “That’s right folks. If you say anything bad about Trump or his administration, you may be barred from re-entering USA if you are Canadian. If you are a dual citizen like me, who knows? We’ll all find that out together.”