People being detained and "exported" by ICE

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  • #381
The problem is .... this would be true if Abrego García voluntarily left the US or was deported to a country other than El Salvador, but that is not what happened. The government removed Abrego García to El Salvador in violation of US law.

imo

which is what we covered several pages back beginning with you politely correcting me as to the administrative error which i mistakenly called a clerical error. beyond that, none of my posts were misleading nor false. i've provided links proving my basic point so... now we should all know he was judged to be an ms-13 gang member and he was not legally protected - by the 2019 judge nor anyone else - from deportation to any other country other than el salvador. that's the substance of all my posts on this thread.



jmo
 
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  • #382
the full truth absolutely matters, at least it matters to me... and i would hope it matters to anyone reading here. there were several links posted on this thread with only partial or incomplete information... which can often lead to incorrect thoughts/opinions. it is very important that no one assumes that i am spreading incorrect details... whether those details are liked or not.

jmo

I am glad that you posted the full information and that @Elley Mae also provided all of the information.

It highlighted to me that what this government did was totally illegal.

Their "administrative error" was that Abrego García was not legally allowed to be sent to El Salvador.

What they should have done (and can still do, once they bring him back) is give him another immigration hearing.

Then it might be decided to revoke the 2019 order and send him to El Salvador as a 'free' man or to anther country which might take him as a 'free' man - or provide proof that he has committed crimes, have him found guilty, and imprison him.

imo
 
  • #383
I am glad that you posted the full information and that @Elley Mae also provided all of the information.

It highlighted to me that what this government did was totally illegal.

Their "administrative error" was that Abrego García was not legally allowed to be sent to El Salvador.

What they should have done (and can still do, once they bring him back) is give him another immigration hearing.

Then it might be decided to revoke the 2019 order and send him to El Salvador as a 'free' man or to anther country which might take him as a 'free' man - or provide proof that he has committed crimes, have him found guilty, and imprison him.

imo

yes, i appreciate that there are others attempting to post the full truth regarding the legalities... it makes a difference. i am sure everything that can be done in this situation is being done.

jmo
 
  • #384
yes, i appreciate that there are others attempting to post the full truth regarding the legalities... it makes a difference. i am sure everything that can be done in this situation is being done.

jmo

Just so you know, I appreciate the full information. Which is why I asked for a link. I cannot always find the US court links from afar. Some sites geo-block other countries from accessing the information. And you also have to get really specific to try to bypass Google location services in a search (it wants to bring up Aussie stuff for me).

Now I can fully see why the courts are ordering that the US Govt bring Abrego García back.

imo
 
  • #385
the initial complaint, first lines, page 2 of 21

In 2019, Plaintiff Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia won an order from an immigration judgegranting him a form of relief called withholding of removal, which prohibits Defendants fromremoving him to El Salvador. Should Defendants wish to remove Plaintiff Abrego Garcia to ElSalvador, the law sets forth specific procedures by which they can reopen the case and seek to setaside the grant of withholding of removal. Should Defendants wish to remove Plaintiff AbregoGarcia to any other country, they would have no legal impediment in doing so.


bbm... again, there it is in the initial legal complaint filed by abrego garcia's own attorney... el salvador only.... no legal impediment to removing him to another country.

even for a legal document the wording is plain... and my point entirely. i know what i stated was not wrong nor incorrect information. for if so, then garcia's own attorney is wrong.

jmo

And again, I will go with what the United States of America, itself, said through its attorney -- he should not have been removed. He has a work permit and was under legal protected status. It should be noted that 2019 to 2025 is a LONG time. In that time, he began working LEGALLY, and got married to a US citizen. Links throughout this thread state that.

MOO.
 
  • #386
the full truth absolutely matters, at least it matters to me... and i would hope it matters to anyone reading here. there were several links posted on this thread with only partial or incomplete information... which can often lead to incorrect thoughts/opinions. it is very important that no one assumes that i am spreading incorrect details... whether those details are liked or not.

jmo

BBMFF

And it's also important to not accuse others of posting links with incomplete information and calling the opinions of others incorrect. Opinions are opinions and we're all allowed to have them. Just because they differ from doesn't mean they're incorrect. Some are going by records from 2019. Others are going by what a US attorney said in court last week.

MOO.
 
  • #387
Undocumented Irish have not felt overly vulnerable until now but at least one Irish woman who overstayed illegally was deported to Panama. I believe she is back in Ireland now.

Irish, undocumented, and unsure of their future in Trump's America​

Irish privilege?​

While Mary fears for her own status, she says communities of color are bearing the brunt of President Trump's immigration crackdown while she can somewhat fly under the radar.

"There's some very hardworking people that have set up businesses and are employing people and all of a sudden, you know, they're on a plane somewhere, their lives have changed, and it's very hard," she said. "I absolutely do feel for people."

Aisling, an undocumented Irish waitress in Chicago, who has lived in America for eight years, says that while she is concerned she may become a "collateral damage" target for the administration, ICE raids in her neighborhood have targeted predominantly Latino communities — something she has condemned as racist.

[...]

I find that article fairly shocking. In Canada, we have no tolerance for business owners hiring undocumented migrants.

Otherwise, the migrants are subject to exploitation, they have no legal rights, no medical insurance, no unemployment benefits, no pension benefits, etc. Plus they're undermining the ability of Canadians to get better paid jobs and benefits...

JMO
 
  • #388
I find that article fairly shocking. In Canada, we have no tolerance for business owners hiring undocumented migrants.

Otherwise, the migrants are subject to exploitation, they have no legal rights, no medical insurance, no unemployment benefits, no pension benefits, etc. Plus they're undermining the ability of Canadians to get better paid jobs and benefits...

JMO

I don't understand why they are not getting temporary visas for their migrant staff. In Australia we have specific visas for workers who are brought in from other countries to seasonally pick fruit or do other things to help us out.

In Australia they are subclass visas .... Working Holiday Visa (Subclass 417) or a Work and Holiday Visa (Subclass 462).

Link and Link
 
  • #389
BBMFF

And it's also important to not accuse others of posting links with incomplete information and calling the opinions of others incorrect. Opinions are opinions and we're all allowed to have them. Just because they differ from doesn't mean they're incorrect. Some are going by records from 2019. Others are going by what a US attorney said in court last week.

MOO.

by stating that incomplete and/or incorrect information in posted links can lead people to believe something that's not true or lead to incorrect opinions/thoughts which is what i said. that is simply a fact - no matter what is being discussed. i made no accusations. it seems you misunderstood, misread and/or misinterpreted my post.

jmo
 
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Speaking in the Oval Office,
@nayibbukele
says he has no intention to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the U.S."The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."


12:02 PM · Apr 14, 2025
 
  • #393
Speaking in the Oval Office,
@nayibbukele
says he has no intention to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the U.S."The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."


12:02 PM · Apr 14, 2025
I’m beginning to wonder how “safe and secure” Garcia is. Has there been any communication directly from him to his own lawyer?
 
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  • #395
Speaking in the Oval Office,
@nayibbukele
says he has no intention to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the U.S."The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."


12:02 PM · Apr 14, 2025
This is an outrageous game these people are playing! IMO
 
  • #396
I'm not even going to watch that. I'm not interested in hearing one of Trump's dumbest henchmen lying.

I did read this article: Stephen Miller Snaps at Fox Host Over Supreme Court Deportee Ruling: ‘We Won!’

Stephen Miller is just hilarious. He says that Trump won the Supreme Court case, but SCOTUS upheld Judge Paula Xinis' order that his administration must facilitate the return of Kilmar Garcia back to the US. And then he repeats the LIE that Garcia is a member of MS-13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/supreme-court-trump-kilmar-abrego-garcia.html
 
  • #397
Facilitate
to make something possible or easier:

 
  • #398
I'm not even going to watch that. I'm not interested in hearing one of Trump's dumbest henchmen lying.

I did read this article: Stephen Miller Snaps at Fox Host Over Supreme Court Deportee Ruling: ‘We Won!’

Stephen Miller is just hilarious. He says that Trump won the Supreme Court case, but SCOTUS upheld Judge Paula Xinis' order that his administration must facilitate the return of Kilmar Garcia back to the US. And then he repeats the LIE that Garcia is a member of MS-13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/supreme-court-trump-kilmar-abrego-garcia.html


i thought sure the scotus documents i read stated... facilitate the release of abrego-garcia, not facilitate the return. i'll try to find the document again and link it <modsnip: Unnecessary>

jmo

eta link and comment <modsnip>

The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.

release not return... there it is.

 
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  • #399
Speaking in the Oval Office,
@nayibbukele
says he has no intention to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the U.S."The question is preposterous," Bukele says. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States."


12:02 PM · Apr 14, 2025

Why doesn't he have "the power"?


Populists who have successfully crafted their images through media, Bukele and Trump are of different generations but display similar tendencies in how they relate to the press, political opposition and justice systems in their respective countries.

Before the press entered the Oval Office, Trump said in a video posted on social media by Bukele that he wanted to send “homegrowns” to be incarcerated in El Salvador, and added that “you’ve got to build five more places,” suggesting Bukele doesn’t have enough prison capacity for all of the U.S. citizens that Trump would like to send there.

 
  • #400
Here’s Donald Trump saying he wants “homegrowns” (aka US citizens!!!) to be able to be deported to El Salvador and that he wants 5 more of the high security prisons built there so he has space to send more people there.

 
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