Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #12

[Patty G]

:wave:

Any hints on where I can find a link to the other men being charged along with Joran. I recorded Jean's segment regarding the others, but I would like to read more details. Thanks.

Wow, a link was posted at the time I posted. Thanks.

 

[FLNY]

That would be 'Mai Pen Rai'.

Here's a close-up of Joran's tattoo. Hope someone can make out what this says / means.

 

[RR0004]

Are you saying Amnesty International is going to come to Joran's defense!?

I think not. The al Quaida may!

Trust me...if the attorney can get them there he will.
The world is watching (how many times have I heard that?) so I think they'll (Peruvian LE) do their best to keep him alive.But with all the publicity about how G-d awful conditions are there, ya just never know who'll make an appearance.

ETA: I also don't view an international group's concerns about the human rights of prisoners as coming to anyone's defense. JMO

 

[suzihawk]

Unreals... you seem like a pretty nice guy. And, God knows, I love a good debate.

Maybe you have some serious suspicions or maybe you have a bit of an agenda - or both. Either way, unless you can put something out here for us to debate other than vague insinuations of a giant conspiracy then there's no need to continue.

I do think you need to do more research as it seems you're really not all that familiar with a lot of the basics regarding this case. This forum is the right place to get some good information as these sleuthers are remarkably good at gathering and disecting information.

If you want to give up some secret tidbit you feel is worthy of debate, bring it on. Until then, I wish you well in your endeavors.

 

[Unreals]

Look, everyone here is posting their opinions. In the Peru case, other than the video snippets (which can easily appear out of context, considering that the video runs constantly and we haven't seen any of that), all any of you are doing is speculating about WHY Joran killed Stephany. You take it for granted that he did kill her, without any hard evidence that he did so.

My points about the ever changing state of the crime scene evidence have been ignored. This is crucial stuff- position of body, murder weapon, wounds, etc. A few mistakes happen in every case, but they are invariably corrected pretty quickly. The ones in this case are still occuring (as of just a few days ago, when we suddenly learned that Joran actually strangled Stephany to death with his own shirt). A solid system of justice is based on understanding principles that we should all hold dear; certainly, emulating a system like Peru's would ensure less violent criminals on the streets. It would also ensure more innocent people in prison.

As for the Holloway case, there is no evidence to connect him to the death of Natalee. That's because there is no evidence that a crime was even committed. She disappeared without a trace, and nothing has been found of her since then. Of course, logic compels the supposition that something happened to her, but without a body, or any forensic evidence at all, Aruba could not convict Joran or anyone else of a crime it can't prove happened. Now, perhaps Peru could manage to do that.

My speculation is just the same as most of yours, just not as popular.

 

[newone]

Thanks for the link on the cab drivers - just a thought that it might be a good idea (at this time) to keep them out of harm's way too?

 

[georger]

Trust me...if the attorney can get them there he will.
The world is watching (how many times have I heard that?) so I think they'll (Peruvian LE) do their best to keep him alive.But with all the publicity about how G-d awful conditions are there, ya just never know who'll make an appearance.

What applies for ordinary people wont apply in Joran's case.
For once the setting fits the person and the crime.
If you could invent a setting and conditions which more apply fit
Joranand his crimes, it would be this. Either God or Joran himself
steered directly into the place and conditions fitting his personhood.
Joran literally selected the place and conditions of his demise. Hogs
like mud! .............. and I seriously doubt anyone can lift him out.
It des not appear his mother cares that much as this point. His attorney
can only do so much. His attorney is a paid employee. And the Peruvians
have an air tight case, and the moral right. If there was ever a more perfect
fit, I cant think of one right at this moment ...

 

[Tadpole12]

Here's a close-up of Joran's tattoo. Hope someone can make out what this says / means.

Heyya FLNY.


http://www.etriptips.com/wiki/Thai_phrasebook

Thai phrase book:

That’s all right ไม่เป็นไร (mâi pen-rai)


tatoo:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9590&d=1276379979

 

[Kat]

That would be 'Mai Pen Rai'.

http://www.businessbackpacker.com/mai-pen-rai-a-lesson-on-letting-go/

A pretty good assessment of the word and how it is used. FWIW, the description that is used by this blogger can be applied almost word for word describes my impressions of the culture here in Hawaii. Lovely

 

[georger]

My speculation is just the same as most of yours, just not as popular.[/quote]

That is where you are wrong. Your speculation supposes non-facts
which are clearly not facts and prejudicial to boot. You are inventing
unreality, just like your nym, and then using nonfacts to argue some hypothetical
nonpoint! 0+0=0..

 

[Nana46]

http://www.businessbackpacker.com/mai-pen-rai-a-lesson-on-letting-go/

A pretty good assessment of the word and how it is used. FWIW, the description that is used by this blogger can be applied almost word for word describes my impressions of the culture here in Hawaii. Lovely

OT one second Kat....I had the pleasure of being in Oahu in 1985 and will never forget it....you are truly in a paradise:woohoo:

 

[Tadpole12]

Hey CC.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...es -Peru/?action=view&current=joranResort.jpg

ausome photo compilation. TY!

 

[RR0004]

Look, everyone here is posting their opinions. In the Peru case, other than the video snippets (which can easily appear out of context, considering that the video runs constantly and we haven't seen any of that), all any of you are doing is speculating about WHY Joran killed Stephany. You take it for granted that he did kill her, without any hard evidence that he did so.

My points about the ever changing state of the crime scene evidence have been ignored. This is crucial stuff- position of body, murder weapon, wounds, etc. A few mistakes happen in every case, but they are invariably corrected pretty quickly. The ones in this case are still occuring (as of just a few days ago, when we suddenly learned that Joran actually strangled Stephany to death with his own shirt). A solid system of justice is based on understanding principles that we should all hold dear; certainly, emulating a system like Peru's would ensure less violent criminals on the streets. It would also ensure more innocent people in prison.

As for the Holloway case, there is no evidence to connect him to the death of Natalee. That's because there is no evidence that a crime was even committed. She disappeared without a trace, and nothing has been found of her since then. Of course, logic compels the supposition that something happened to her, but without a body, or any forensic evidence at all, Aruba could not convict Joran or anyone else of a crime it can't prove happened. Now, perhaps Peru could manage to do that.

My speculation is just the same as most of yours, just not as popular.

I agree about all the misinformation...but attribute it to the crime having been committed in a foreign country. But let's not forget we do have his confession. I'm also eagerly awaiting the results of the forensics.

 

[RR0004]

What applies for ordinary people wont apply in Joran's case.
For once the setting fits the person and the crime.
If you could invent a setting and conditions which more apply fit
Joranand his crimes, it would be this. Either God or Joran himself
steered directly into the place and conditions fitting his personhood.
Joran literally selected the place and conditions of his demise. Hogs
like mud! .............. and I seriously doubt anyone can lift him out.
It des not appear his mother cares that much as this point. His attorney
can only do so much. His attorney is a paid employee. And the Peruvians
have an air tight case, and the moral right. If there was ever a more perfect
fit, I cant think of one right at this moment ...

No one said that the prison doesn't suit him or that some organization can come and improve his plight. It is what it is.
I personally don't like to hear about conditions such as these...regardless of who is imprisoned there.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Here's a close-up of Joran's tattoo. Hope someone can make out what this says / means.

Good timing. My husband just walked through the room and he took a look at the Thai letters on Joran. He said, "That's mai pen rai in Thai guaranteed."

He studied Thai in language school as he was a student of SE Asia for the Army. We lived there two different time periods. I never learned to speak
Thai fluently let alone read Thai letters but my husband did learn a lot more than I did. He's sure that's what is written on Joran's chest.

How's that working for you now Joran?

 

[Unreals]

I'm not talking conspiracy theory now. My analysis of this case is just as valid as yours, or anyone else's.

Facts- we have been told, so far, that: there was no murder weapon found (direct quote from the head of the police investigation); a baseball bat was found; a tennis racket was found; there were multiple stab wounds; there was a bloody mess everywhere, and the body was horribly mutilated, with Stephany's brother graphically describing her missing an eye; the body was found fully clothed, face down, wrapped in a bloody sheet; the body was found face up, clad only in a tee shirt and red panties; the neck was broken, but there was no blood other than a trickle from her nose and/or ear; she was actually strangled with Joran's own shirt.

No theory, no conspiracy in this post at all. But plenty of room for skepticism and doubt.

 

[Kat]

Look, everyone here is posting their opinions. In the Peru case, other than the video snippets (which can easily appear out of context, considering that the video runs constantly and we haven't seen any of that), all any of you are doing is speculating about WHY Joran killed Stephany. You take it for granted that he did kill her, without any hard evidence that he did so.

My points about the ever changing state of the crime scene evidence have been ignored. This is crucial stuff- position of body, murder weapon, wounds, etc. A few mistakes happen in every case, but they are invariably corrected pretty quickly. The ones in this case are still occuring (as of just a few days ago, when we suddenly learned that Joran actually strangled Stephany to death with his own shirt). A solid system of justice is based on understanding principles that we should all hold dear; certainly, emulating a system like Peru's would ensure less violent criminals on the streets. It would also ensure more innocent people in prison.

As for the Holloway case, there is no evidence to connect him to the death of Natalee. That's because there is no evidence that a crime was even committed. She disappeared without a trace, and nothing has been found of her since then. Of course, logic compels the supposition that something happened to her, but without a body, or any forensic evidence at all, Aruba could not convict Joran or anyone else of a crime it can't prove happened. Now, perhaps Peru could manage to do that.

My speculation is just the same as most of yours, just not as popular.

Hi unreals, I see you have been a member for more than a few months but can see that your post count is on the lower end so please forgive me if I suggest something for you that you are already aware of

When we have a thread such as this where the information from the media is flowing fast and furious and also posters here have their own theories...etc.

A good way to avoid confusion for me is to make sure that when I speak about what are considered facts in a case---I support that fact with a link to the published source (sometimes I wait until it is requested because many times in the flow of the thread many posters have already read the link...etc.)

When I express an opinion, theory about a case it helps if I (other posters here do the same, except sometimes we forget) to make sure to type in a JMHO (just my humble opinion) or an IMHO (In my humble opinion, we see it sometimes as IMO).

That way we know what is speculation, theory and what is comments based on facts that can be supported by links that we all can view for ourselves.

Just a gentle suggestion. I am by no means a moderator and can't speak for one, just sharing experiences with you.

 

[Labrat]

My points about the ever changing state of the crime scene evidence have been ignored. This is crucial stuff- position of body, murder weapon, wounds, etc. A few mistakes happen in every case, but they are invariably corrected pretty quickly. The ones in this case are still occuring (as of just a few days ago, when we suddenly learned that Joran actually strangled Stephany to death with his own shirt).

Personally, I am not worried at all about this- I think it's due to the reporters misinterpreting, repeating rumors, etc. The Annie Le case reporting was even worse in terms of accuracy. What reporters say is not crime scene evidence. Every case I have followed has been the same. I no longer watch most of the reporting on TV for this reason.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Lol! Apparently so, here you go...http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3925483&page=1

WHO KNEW???????

I wouldn't buy his book but I might check it out at the public library and read it, if they would translate it into English.

 

[doobiedoo52]

Thanks to whoever posted the interviews with Stephany's father in the media thread. If you listen to the very last one, I think it clears up whether or not those NE photos are real. Her father says he did not want her going out of the hotel in a plastic bag. He had a coffin delivered and the police helped him. She was "carried out in a grave digger's drawer (coffin) like a human being should be".