Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #12

[krowdkat]

I would like to know also:

1. Did he access the $15,00 that was wired into his Netherland's bank account.
2. How much of his own money did he have when he was captured.
3. He said that he had left his credit cards in the hotel in Santiago. Were these closed cards, or did Joran have full use of them. Also, were there any cards belonging to others. I suspect that he might have stolen credit cards in his possession.
4. Did he attempt to use Stephany's credit cards/bank cards.

Great questions, Lexington. Based on my obsessive/compulsive following of the case here's what I've read at WS or heard on national news. Everyone feel free to jump in and correct if I was sleeping when a different report came out. lol

1. No mention has been made as to his personal accounts in the Netherlands being drained. My guess is they were as his acts seem so desperate.

2. There is video footage (thanks Patty G and others) of his arrest and they show the amount and different currencys he had on him at time of arrest. I personally don't know how much that added up to, though.

3. The news media was reporting, today (again, thanks Patty G) that Stephany's credit cards and her ID was found in his possession.

4. I heard/read one report that said he tried to access Stephany's credit card. That, however, has not been widely reported. I have spent 99% of my time on this case here at WS, only accessing things that have been linked at this website. So, I'm very grateful that we now have a media links only sticky thread.

 

[twall]

Useful information I found on last night's Dateline show page.

Peru's legal process
Under Peruvian law, prosecutors have 15 days to file charges and the judge has 15 days to accept or reject the charge. After that, the judge opens an investigation, then hands the case to the district attorney, who gives an opinion and hands it back.

The judge then gives a final report to a superior court judge, who reviews it and gives it to the superior court district attorney. That DA decides whether to file an "accusation" – a charge with a request for a penalty, and the oral trial begins.

By law, the investigation period leading up to trial is supposed to be four months (with a possible two-month extension) – but because of massive backlogs, the period is always longer.

There is no jury. A panel of three judges decide the verdict and sentence. Almost all big cases are appealed to the Supreme Court's five judges.

If convicted of premeditated aggravated murder, Joran van der Sloot could receive a sentence of up to 35 years in prison. Other options:

Simple murder — up to 20 years
Murder “as result of violent emotion" — from 3 to 5 years in prison
"Injury that leads to death" — 1 to 3 years in prison

Confessions help reduce a sentence, but likely not much for a case like this, according to Peruvian legal sources.

Source: NBC News' Michelle Kosinski

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

 

[newone]

I have been totally unable to locate anything using google that indicates a source for the ''alleged'' killing of the family dog by JVDS

 

[Melanie]

While I'm fairly certain I would never buy such a book, I'm also fairly certain that if it were sitting around I might pick it up so I could pick it apart or at the very least test my own personal knowledge and beliefs about the events surrounding the case. JMHO. Just always trying to be aware of others and their opinions without sticking my head in the sand.

Me too. I bought most of the OJ books as I was curious how such (IMHO) a guilty man was found innocent -- fascinated the heck out of me. I was not working at the time, and watched the entire trial. Then when the verdict came in it was like WTH? So yah, if there are books on this case, I'd buy them. Then again, I love most mystery books

MOO

Mel

 

[Melanie]

I have been totally unable to locate anything using google that indicates a source for the ''alleged'' killing of the family dog by JVDS

Until there's a linky, please chock it up as a rumour. I looked on Google for ages, and didn't find a thing. The only mentions were on message boards -- and I don't think we can use those as verified links.

MOO

Mel

 

[newone]

quote from other thread
DollyPardonMe
I have watched the video over and over of Stephany coming to the Poker table, shaking Joran's hand and sitting down to play poker. She looks around rather suspiciously at first (IMO). You would think they were just meeting for the first time but according to news reports they actually met a couple of days BEFORE the day she was murdered. Does anybody else think that maybe the two of them could have been in cahoots to "cheat" at the poker tables..Win some money and then go back to the room on the night of Stephany's murder to divide up their winnings and Joran didn't want to cough up her share? She could have threatened to expose him....I don't know...Just a thought....
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Somewhere in the early days of the initial investigation there was a friend of Stephany's who mentioned something about her concern for her gambling and that she was headed for trouble. I have attempted to find this ...... too many hits of course on SF at this time (google wise).....on the previous thread #4 there was a link to an article about Stephany's gambling resulting in her father's concern too (she hocked her car) and there was also an earlier link about her being loaned money by JVDS -- I will find and edit appropriately.


http://translate.google.com/transla...om.pe/Main.asp?T...To=0&idA=46851&sl=es&tl=en



click ''mortal poker'' under the photo of JVDS -- middle of the article indicates she won and would pay at the hotel

indicates that JVDS also attempted to withdraw cash using SF's credit cards

end of the article indicates that her father was concerned as she had to use her truck as collateral and that every night she was clubbing or at the casino

JVDS bankrolling SF
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594382,00.html

 

[twall]

More details from Joran on Stephany's death-including WHY THEY WENT TO HIS ROOM. I'm not shouting, really, lol, I know a lot of people have asked this and I wanted it to stand out! (I am going to submit this to be translated so you may want to check there later for the accuracy)

The confession of Joran van der Sloot: "I took her by the neck and strangled"

The Dutchman told the police reacted violently after Stephany Flores hit her head after hearing the case of Natalee Holloway

12:21 am Saturday June 12, 2010 - 12:21 am

According to his account, he and Stephany entered her room around 5:30 am on May 31 after playing in the Atlantic City casino. According to Conte, Stephany occurred to him that could play online poker and so went to his room.

At that point, had "received an email stating" I'll kill mongolito "which are colds, the murder of Natalee Holloway, the young American who was accused of having murdered in Aruba in 2005.

Then Van der Sloot spoke to Stephany on the case and told him that he had been arrested for that offense. She, again according to Joran, had a strong reaction and gave him a punch on the left side of his head. The Dutchman said he reacted with his elbow and hit her leaving "almost fainting."

He also assures that the reaction of Stephany affected him while he took her by the neck with both hands and "choked for about a minute."

Then Joran van de Sloot left the hotel at Stephany van, but after leaving the vehicle parked in Surco, boarded a taxi that took him to Ica and Arica another direction.
According to his testimony, both taxi drivers told them that they were wrongly accused of murdering a person.

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

Scroll down until you see the title of the article.

After reading the details of Joran's latest confession (we all know his track record so take it with a ton a salt, it is what it is and we are all chomping at the bit for accurate news!) I am really curious what the e-mail he is referring to says and who it was from.
I can guess-JQK telling him no more money.

Also, the last sentence of the article I posted-what did he say to the cab drivers?
The way it reads the cab drivers told Joran they had been wrongly accused of murdering a person? Or did Joran say this to them? Translation issue?

 

[mahoneys07]

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

~snipped~

http://abcnews.go.com/International...oot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791


yet another lie from Van Der Sloot

 

[Melanie]

Yes! Now that you explain I have heard of this too; have no idea
where but it is interesting. There is no question Joran has supporters
in Holland and elsewhere. *Everyone has to be somewhere.

Thanks.

Yah, he has a FB page with 67 friends. But you have to be added to get the info. Here's his profile pic.





There are 20 people on the JVS is innocent page, but no posts. It just says "cuz he is". Okay - that's a good reason.

If you're a FB fan, there are a lot of JVS pages that you can browse.

Mel

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Joran-van-der-Sloot-is-Innocent/102087236507703?v=wall&ref=search

 

[georger]

Yah, he has a FB page with 67 friends. But you have to be added to get the info. Here's his profile pic.

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There are 20 people on the JVS is innocent page, but no posts. It just says "cuz he is". Okay - that's a good reason.

If you're a FB fan, there are a lot of JVS pages that you can browse.

Mel

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Joran-van-der-Sloot-is-Innocent/102087236507703?v=wall&ref=search

Maybe he's using his fingernails and a nail to scratch his way
out as we speak! :waitasec: Seriously, I am just impressed with how authorities in several countries have handled this so well. For once the system worked in spite of it being a tragedy for so many, the vander Sloots included. Hopfully some good will come from this.

 

[Melanie]

I apologize if this has already been addressed, because I will never be able to catch up with all the posts, but I have a question about the coffee cups after watching the "coffee" video.

If I go out to Starbucks--or anywhere else--to get a coffee, I don't bring my own paper cup. As far as I can recall, I've never seen anyone else do this either. Is this a Peruvian norm, or something more universal that I just haven't observed yet because I'm an old fogey who doesn't get out much?

Nope - me either. BUT, I do bring my own travel mug. The clerks know me there, and it keeps the earth green. OTOH, it makes no sense to bring a styrofoam cup that will take a zillion years to decompose in a landfill. I've also seen folks refill their cups. But the whole Joran coffee cup video is just a farce if you ask me. He probably got those cups from the hotel room -- since we've yet to see a video where he actually brings cups into the room, or goes to the mini-mart.

MOO

Mel

 

[twall]

From the article I just posted Joran is showing a sign of the typical sociopath aka antisocial personality disorder (is that the correct term? if not, please feel free to correct me) when he justifies his actions for killing Stephany by blaming her for hitting him first causing him to react the way he did.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

Yah, he has a FB page with 67 friends. But you have to be added to get the info. Here's his profile pic.

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There are 20 people on the JVS is innocent page, but no posts. It just says "cuz he is". Okay - that's a good reason.

If you're a FB fan, there are a lot of JVS pages that you can browse.

Mel

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Joran-van-der-Sloot-is-Innocent/102087236507703?v=wall&ref=search

I've seen several that seem to support him. I was wondering specifically about the one that Unreal mentioned that consists of his ex-girlfriends. Also, could you link Joran's FB 'cause I can't remember if I've seen that one or not? :crazy: TIA.

ETA Never mind ... I found that one.

 

[Melanie]

From the article I just posted Joran is showing a sign of the typical sociopath aka antisocial personality disorder (is that the correct term? if not, please feel free to correct me) when he justifies his actions for killing Stephany by blaming her for hitting him first causing him to react the way he did.

JMO

Now I think that's another lie by JVS. If you watch the casino videos, and the video where Stephany walks into the room, she is very passive - carrying her shoulders and head low, and almost always looking at the ground. She's also quite shorter than JVS.

She'd have to reach quite high to punch him in the face (as he said she did), and JVS -- being much stronger, would have already blocked her arm (thinking out loud here).

He's using the "she was on my laptop" excuse, and I am not buying that one either.

IMHO - he brought her back to his room to rob her, then was enraged when she refused (or didn't want) sexual relations, then killed her. NOTE: My opinion only.

Best,

Mel

 

[Melanie]

I've seen several that seem to support him. I was wondering specifically about the one that Unreal mentioned that consists of his ex-girlfriends. Also, could you link Joran's FB 'cause I can't remember if I've seen that one or not? :crazy: TIA.

This looks to be his official page:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=15505463&ref=ts

There are also a bunch out there that are fakes. Appearing that he posted yesterday, etc. I can pretty much write those off.

I don't know about the ex-girlfriends because I can't get to his friends page. It may have already been blocked by FB.

Mel

 

[Bobbisangel]

~snipped~

http://abcnews.go.com/International...oot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791


yet another lie from Van Der Sloot

He really isn't very bright. Didn't he know that he would be tested and LE would find out that he hadn't taken any drugs! It's just like the lies he is telling about what happened in the room. I highly doubt that Steph snooped on his puter and found out about Natalie. I will always believe that he tried to have sex with her and she refused. Joran doesn't like to be told "no" about anything. The blankets were off the bed and on the floor or dragging off the bed if memory serves me right. I think he raped and killed her and then took her money and split.

I wouldn't think it matters if Aruba has filed murder charges...if they have...Peru is going to put this guy away and after he completes his sentence he will be up for grabs between the US and Aruba. I want Joran to go to that horrible prison and find out what it is like to live like a common criminal. I can just imagine it now. He won't believe his eye and daddy isn't here to complain about it to whoever in authority...not that it would do any good in Peru even if daddy was still alive. This time the killer is going to pay.

 

[twall]

Now I think that's another lie by JVS. If you watch the casino videos, and the video where Stephany walks into the room, she is very passive - carrying her shoulders and head low, and almost always looking at the ground. She's also quite shorter than JVS.

She'd have to reach quite high to punch him in the face (as he said she did), and JVS -- being much stronger, would have already blocked her arm (thinking out loud here).

He's using the "she was on my laptop" excuse, and I am not buying that one either.

IMHO - he brought her back to his room to rob her, then was enraged when she refused (or didn't want) sexual relations, then killed her. NOTE: My opinion only.

Best,

Mel

I agree your theory could very well be true, we all know JVDS is a liar!
I was just pointing out that in his latest confession he is doing what many murderers do, blame the victim. He/she provoked me so it is their fault. He even blames Natalee stating that an e-mail on his computer got him talking about her! The nerve of him!! :furious:

Do you buy the story about why they went to his room? The casino was closed so they went to his room to play online poker, computer forensics will prove if that is false or not. I think it may be true, I can see him using that to get her back to his room, as to whether or not they turned the computer on and played poker is another story.

I don't think there is a video of him leaving to buy coffee and breakfast food,
I have a feeling it would have been released by now if there was.

My opinion, Joran now qualifies for World's Dumbest Criminal!!

JMO

 

[newone]

whew....I found it... this is the original story I found about Stephany's girlfriend who talks about SF's sexuality and her struggle to have her family accept her lesbianism she also indicates that because SF was ''struggling'' her insecurity led to her gambling which she knew was dangerous

http://lezgetreal.com/2010/06/van-der-sloot-victim-stephany-flores-openly-lesbian/

 

[justthinkin]

Funny, I thought psychopaths were supposed to be smart, cold, and calculated, but Joran and Casey seem to be missing the smart and calculated parts. Hopefully it's a trend as it seems to set them (psychopaths) up to be caught earlier in life. MOO.

Also my own opinion, I think Stephanie was killed earlier in the morning, and Joran spent time taking a shower, changing clothes, and thinking what he was going to do when he came up with his lame scheme about going for coffee. I totally believe he lured Stephanie to his room with talk of playing online poker. Seems she had an addiction to gambling herself, but I do believe the gambling online idea was a complete ruse, and Joran's aim was to kill her in honor of the anniversary date he killed Natalie, and strip her of whatever monies she had on her. It's my understanding that these anniversary killings are typical of serial killers. Also, I can just visualize Joran getting Stephanie into the hotel room, then pulling up a page online that shows him tied to Natalie Holloway's murder. Someone like Joran would have gotten a huge kick out of scaring Stephanie immediately before killing her, and it would have struck him as funny to see her reaction right before he killed her. MOO. I would suspect Natalie died a similar death to Stephanie's, sadly.

 

[Bobbisangel]

JVS's dinner tonight looked like this?

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Seco de pollo is an easy recipe for stewed chicken, with peas, carrots and potatoes, cooked together in a delicious cilantro sauce. It's a Peruvian specialty that is also made with beef (seco de res) and duck (seco de pato). Served with South American-style rice, seco de pollo is a one dish meal. It's perfect for entertaining, as it's easy to make ahead, then reheat and serve when ready.

I especially like the part: It's perfect for entertaining

Mel

I'll be it doesn't taste anything like home when it is cooked in prison!!!!