Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #12

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  • #41
Did anyone else hear Mr. Kelly (Beth's attny.) say something about what JVS said regarding "tell Beth I will see her in five years"? It was something in his exchange with JVS I guess he asked "what if she does not pay you the money" paraphrasing here.......that struck me as odd that he was bringing up the date again of five years.....as the money exchange was coming up close to the anniversary.

I heard this also - its a prime example of his psychology (delusionary
state). It must come as a great shock to him that Fate and his demi-god protectors (who keep him invisible) have had him arrested and have him in prison. He must see this as a great trial and ordeal in which the gods
are testing him ... by means of infidels. If I were his guard I would ask
for his autographbefore time runs out!
 
  • #42
Regarding Stephany's sexuality, I believe she was a lesbian or at least bi as I saw an article that quoted a former girlfriend of Stephany's saying that she was out but her family was unhappy about it. If I can find the story again I will post it.

As far as Joran calling Natalee a lesbian, I'm sure he meant that as an insult, but Stephany actually apparently dated women if not exclusively fairly exclusively according to her friends.

Also, this is my first post. I was invited here by my friend GuardianAngel who is also relatively new. Wonderful forum and site full of sincere, concerned, informed and thoughtful people!

Welcome to the crew!
 
  • #43
regarding stephany's sexuality, i believe she was a lesbian or at least bi as i saw an article that quoted a former girlfriend of stephany's saying that she was out but her family was unhappy about it. If i can find the story again i will post it.

As far as joran calling natalee a lesbian, i'm sure he meant that as an insult, but stephany actually apparently dated women if not exclusively fairly exclusively according to her friends.

Also, this is my first post. I was invited here by my friend guardianangel who is also relatively new. Wonderful forum and site full of sincere, concerned, informed and thoughtful people!

welcome!!!!!!
 
  • #44
Regarding Stephany's sexuality, I believe she was a lesbian or at least bi as I saw an article that quoted a former girlfriend of Stephany's saying that she was out but her family was unhappy about it. If I can find the story again I will post it.

As far as Joran calling Natalee a lesbian, I'm sure he meant that as an insult, but Stephany actually apparently dated women if not exclusively fairly exclusively according to her friends.

Also, this is my first post. I was invited here by my friend GuardianAngel who is also relatively new. Wonderful forum and site full of sincere, concerned, informed and thoughtful people!

:Welcome-12-june:
 
  • #45
JVS's dinner tonight looked like this?

secodepollo.jpg

Seco de pollo is an easy recipe for stewed chicken, with peas, carrots and potatoes, cooked together in a delicious cilantro sauce. It's a Peruvian specialty that is also made with beef (seco de res) and duck (seco de pato). Served with South American-style rice, seco de pollo is a one dish meal. It's perfect for entertaining, as it's easy to make ahead, then reheat and serve when ready.

I especially like the part: It's perfect for entertaining ;)

Mel
 
  • #46
Regarding the use of disposable cameras by JQK on the previous thread, I am thinking maybe he would do this because it would be harder to claim they are photoshopped??? Being since you would have a negative and all???

Also, I did hear NG mention that there is a possible rumor of a skull being found... that was all I heard about it
 
  • #47
I keep hearing the rumor that Juran killed a dog when he was 13, but I have never seen one single article to support that. Can anyone PM me or provide a link for information inre to that event? Also, earlier today, someone posted that his mom had him in some sort of therapy after that event. I'd also appreciate the ability to read that article. Google is giving me nothing at this point, although I was able to see a naked Joran holding himself compliments of Google, today. Ack! I keep running my virus scanner because I heard you can get one from visiting sites such as that.
 
  • #48
JVS's dinner tonight looked like this?

View attachment 9582

Seco de pollo is an easy recipe for stewed chicken, with peas, carrots and potatoes, cooked together in a delicious cilantro sauce. It's a Peruvian specialty that is also made with beef (seco de res) and duck (seco de pato). Served with South American-style rice, seco de pollo is a one dish meal. It's perfect for entertaining, as it's easy to make ahead, then reheat and serve when ready.

I especially like the part: It's perfect for entertaining ;)

Mel

and sounds delicious too!
 
  • #49
It will be interesting to findo out if this article is true and there is no other footage of him leaving to grab coffee at the mini-mart. That means that the murder could have happened anytime between 5:15 a.m. and 8:25 a.m. In other words, it widens the time of death, again. :waitasec:

Im still sticking to my idea this was a sex crime tinged by financial matter
of revenge between them and it got out of hand. Bound and gaged he could easily have broken her neck from behind and pressure from being trussed up and not being able to breath expelled an eye from its socket? Its just a physical theory I have especially if Police are correct and no tennis racket was involved in strikes. That wound account the bruises on neck, wrists, ankles, feet, etc. They seem to have done good forensics
so will match this to a scenario...
 
  • #50
Do I understand you are saying that JVS is mentally challenged and that others are using him as a scapegoat?
Are you implying that BH has murdered in Peru using him as her hand to do the "work"?
If I read you correctly, please, let me know the name of this book since I want to make sure I do NOT purchase it ever.

I agree!

When I see someone try to convey some sort of conspiracy theory...Yes some of it to the reader might in fact be somewhat thought provoking to some. But where all it goes south for me. Is all the book preaching. It turns from a conspiracy to book peddling and nonsense! MOO

Hardly something I would ever really want to read let alone indulge the mindset of a person who's ulterior motives are questionable at best.

Just my two cents.
 
  • #51
Im still sticking to my idea this was a sex crime tinged by financial matter
of revenge between them and it got out of hand. Bound and gaged he could easily have broken her neck from behind and pressure from being trussed up and not being able to breath expelled an eye from its socket? Its just a physical theory I have especially if Police are correct and no tennis racket was involved in strikes. That wound account the bruises on neck, wrists, ankles, feet, etc. They seem to have done good forensics
so will match this to a scenario...

I'm with you on this one, jwarner. No reason for her to take off her pants. I believe I've read/heard that one of Joran's confessions even state that Stephany told him she like girls. I don't think either of them layed down to rest. I think they struggled while he had his white shirt on and he knocked her out, took her pants and panties off. When he realized she was on her monthy he pulled the panties back up and smothered her with his blood stained shirt. Pure outrage and fury!

I don't even buy that she saw something about Natalie and his involvement on his computer! But that's just me thinking that Joran is a complete and utter BSer trying to make the victim the perp.
 
  • #52
This is the only link I can find re: the skull (Nancy Grace):

After report circulate that Natalee`s skull that Natalee`s skull emerge, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and authorities from Aruba head to Peru, has he admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html
 
  • #53
Where id the thread and everyone go? Dont see any of my replies here? Am I in
the wrong place?
Jerry
 
  • #54
I agree!

When I see someone try to convey some sort of conspiracy theory...Yes some of it to the reader might in fact be somewhat thought provoking to some. But where all it goes south for me. Is all the book preaching. It turns from a conspiracy to book peddling and nonsense! MOO

Hardly something I would ever really want to read let alone indulge the mindset of a person who's ulterior motives are questionable at best.

Just my two cents.

While I'm fairly certain I would never buy such a book, I'm also fairly certain that if it were sitting around I might pick it up so I could pick it apart or at the very least test my own personal knowledge and beliefs about the events surrounding the case. JMHO. Just always trying to be aware of others and their opinions without sticking my head in the sand.
 
  • #55
I heard that also on her show tonite...There was a doctor saying IF there was a skull, a lot could be determined from examing it..like if it was crushed. It was not clear to me that a skull was found...I believe if that had been the case...It would be all over the news and repeated BOMBSHELLS on her show tonight but you are right..just a mention of a skull ONE TIME..

I would believe anything NG says.
 
  • #56
Associated Press
2010-06-12 05:29 AM
Taiwan News

Police say Van der Sloot brutally murdered Flores three days after meeting her at a casino. He broke her nose, strangled her, threw her to the floor then emptied her wallet and drove away in her SUV, said Gen. Cesar Guardia, chief of the criminal police.

The 6-foot-3 (190-centimeter-tall) Van der Sloot took about $300 worth of Peruvian currency ($104.00 US), two credit cards and Flores' national ID card, Guardia said. He said the suspect abandoned her car in a lower-class Lima neighborhood before fleeing south to Chile by bus.


http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_...&lang=eng_news


This is where the $300.00 came from. (FYI)

Gosh what started out as $5000 is now down to $104 US! :waitasec:
 
  • #57
suzihawk and others,

I really don't mean to be coy, and I would be much more detailed about things, but I am bound by contractural obligations to save most of this stuff for the book. I also have to careful about anything I say regarding Beth and her family/friends, because I don't want to violate forum rules.

That being said, the powerful interests that covered up Natalee's death revolve around the drug trade in Aruba (and elsewhere, including Peru) and government officials who profit financially from it. I really don't know why Joran was targeted initially; it may just have been a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I still can't completely figure out why Beth focused so exclusively on him from the outset (and believe me, there is evidence to indicate there was no logical reason to do so). I believe, at some point, due to Joran's seeming lack of sympathy for her, and his ever changing stories, that it became personal for Beth.

I can only speculate about exactly what happened in Peru, but that speculation will naturally be influenced by the research I've conducted on the Holloway case. I can't help but strongly believe the two cases are connected, even without the incredible five year anniversary date "coincidence," and the sudden news about the "extortion" plot, breaking nationally on the exact day Joran was apprehended. I've tried to post a plausible scenario, but I fully realize that most of you will find it preposterous.

As for the coffee video, I respectfully question the dire interpretations about Joran appearing confounded in the hallway, weakly knocking on a door that isn't fully closed, etc. There is no question that it looks very weird, but I can't see as how it is an indication of guilt. And, of course, getting the hotel employee to open the door just makes no sense to me, if there is a dead body behind that door, unless you want it to be discovered, which obviously wasn't the case, since Joran didn't point it out.

Joran appears to lack the capacity to make sound judgments, and his morality clearly is impaired where money is involved. There are far too many young people now who share these unfortunate traits. If I were to mimic Kelly, and play armchair analyst, I'd say that Joran has some mild form of autism, which is reflected in the impassive look he often projects and the apparent lack of empathy he shows towards others. Of course, I could easily be wrong- this is just a guess to explain his habitual lying and failure to understand the seriousness of a situation.

I won't be on the forum again until tomorrow, but I thank those of you who are at least according my outlandish notions some respect.

[bbm]

I would say b/c he was the last person with her. Seems pretty simple to me. Also, she has stated and he has admitted that he was awful to her when he first met her (at the Holiday Inn IIRC). As to it being personal, her daughter was missing - how much more personal can a situation get?
 
  • #58
Taken from the translation thread, thoughtfully translated by TravelingBug, Big huge thanks!

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-11-hol...ia_271692.html

He argued that the information on the Dutchman's laptop may assist the investigation and could provide new evidence that sheds light on the facts of the case. "It's said the laptop may have information about the crime that was committed in Aruba," the lawyer added.

I sure hope there is some new information or possible emails that the Feds/or Peruvian authorities can hopefully find new leads.
 
  • #59
Steph Watts is still in Aruba, although I am not sure what he is doing, but he was interviewed by his own Pocono, PA CBS TV station about his knowledge of Joran.
Also, at the end it mentions that Anita is still in Aruba because she is still in school, or has school duties.

The video: http://cbs3.com/video/[email protected]
 
  • #60
Taken from the translation thread, thoughtfully translated by TravelingBug, Big huge thanks!

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-11-hol...ia_271692.html

He argued that the information on the Dutchman's laptop may assist the investigation and could provide new evidence that sheds light on the facts of the case. "It's said the laptop may have information about the crime that was committed in Aruba," the lawyer added.

I sure hope there is some new information or possible emails that the Feds/or Peruvian authorities can hopefully find new leads.

John Q Kelly stated on the Dateline interview tonight that he was in contact with Juran up until May 25th, 2010. So, yes, I would say there will definitely be correspondence of value on Joran's computer. JMHO.
 
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