Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #18

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  • #361
Sure this has been linked, but I know how easy it is for links to get lost. Anywhooo I don't believe these pictures to be an re-enactment of the crime scene, but the original scene.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848.html

As posted on CBS News.

Thanks,

Mel
 
  • #362
md89: Thank you very much for your translation. It is by far, the best I have seen since this whole thing started!!!

I have given up on the robotic, computerized translations. They are no longer of much interest to me.
 
  • #363
Just on Dutch TV: an exclusive interview with Anita van der Sloot. They talked about the recent developments and ofcourse about Natalee Holloway.

The interview started with Anita who talked about the first days of Natalees disappearance. Anita was in Holland when she learned there was a girl missing on Aruba and that her son Joran was the last person seen with her. She boarded the plane back to Aruba with mixed feelings. Back on the island Joran told her the story about how he dropped Natalee of at the hotel. Joran told her that Natalee probably would show up soon. When Anita saw the first posters of Natalee she thought that she had run away.

There was tension in the house. Brothers didn't understand why Joran lied and sneaked out of the house. His father told Joran that he could get arrested and that he needed to tell the truth. First they believed the story about Natalee getting dropped of at the hotel. When that story changed to the one where he left her at the beach Anita was shocked. She had doubts and thought that there may have been an accident and that Joran was scared to tell the truth.

Paul and Anita both tried to contact Natalees parents. It was very difficult to reach Beth Holloway because of the media. She could only imagine what Beth was going through. She felt horrible for her. Would have loved to hug her. Both parents (Paul and Anita) said that if Joran or one of his friends had done something they would do anything to get it out of him.

Eventually they talked with Beth. (FOX interview) She thought it was very difficult to be confronted with a mother who lost her child. Media was very agressive. They said that Paul was involved and that they where protecting Joran. They literally said that they would destroy the v/d Sloot family.

She then talks about Paul. They alwayss supported each other. Cries when she talks about Paul. It's only been 4 months since he passed away. She said that if Paul suspected Joran being involved in the disappearance of Natalee he would have taken him to the police.

She says that if you tell so many lies no one believes you. She thinks he should have worked with police and if he had known something he should have said so. If he was involved he needs to be punished for that. He has done so many stupid things according to Anita. But the Joran she knows would never murder or rape someone. She does not know the Joran who is portrayed by the media as a killer or rapist. But she knows the Joran who gambles, steals money and lies.

The death of Paulus had a huge impact on Joran. He always gave Joran advice. Joran was very sad when he came to Holland. He wouldn't leave his fathers coffin. He talked to him and sat next to him. He promised him things. Became very depressed. According to Anita he needs help. He's sick in his head. He should not only be treated for his gamble addiction but also for his personality disorder.

After Pauls death he came to Aruba and stayed 2,5 month. Helped Anita around the house. Painted the house, worked in the garden. Anita offered him psychological help. He had a couple of conversations on Aruba. Anita had contact with a Dutch institution. She became very angry when she found out he left to Peru. She doesn't know how he got the money. It was not from her. He left her a note that said that he was going to Peru to play poker. He was being followed on Aruba and that he could not stand to see the sadness in Anita's eyes. He would call her.

She doesn't want to say what they said in the first telephone call. But it was clear that she was done with Joran. She says that if you are a mom you always have that little bit of hope that everything will be allright. She says that maybe she is fooling herself. But if you dont have that hope it's very hard.

After she learned of Stephanys dead she had a telephone conversation with Joran. He said that he was on his way to Chile and that he feared for his life because he was being followed by people with posters of Natalee Holloway. He said that he was on his way to the embassy. Anita then said that there was a girl murdered and that he needed to contact the police or embassy. Joran said: what girl? Anita couldn't remember her whole name but only Flores. Joran became very quiet and started to cry. He said what happened? They didn't hurt her did they? Anita believed Joran at that moment.

Anita thinks its terrible for the parents of Stephany. She also lost a child although it was his own fault. She thinks that if he's guilty of killing Stephany he should be punished. She won't visit him in his cell because she has no reason to do so.


Her biggest fear is that he's gonna get killed. She can imagine people saying something like 'he deserves it to be there under those circumstances'. She cant blame those people. She even thinks it herself sometimes. The last things she will do for him are pay for a lawyer, give him some clothes, make sure he has a mattress and that he can wash himself.

She hopes Joran will get a fair trial. She finds it bizarre that this happened exactly 5 years after Natalee disappeared. She believes in karma. She often tought that he had a bad karma and that he attracts bad things because of that.

She hopes he feels what he has done to all the familys involved. Not only Natalee and Stephanys family but also his own.

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I'm sorry for the very very bad translation. I know that there are many faults but please forgive me as I'm really busy. :)

Thank you for posting this -- it's good that ANVS gets to give a bit of insight into the situation -- she was away after all and I can imagine what was going through her mind and none of it good -- poor lady
 
  • #364
I had heard so much talk of a re inactment, that I wondered. But now I think they are the actual photos. :(

Let me say it is rather important to know the original configuration of the room to be able to judge the movement of things and people, as it "may"
relate to the crime. I stress "may". So any widefield photos of the room are important if any exist. I assume thehotel had a standard placement
of things in rooms of this type (level) ... bed, chairs, 1-2 shelf night stand, desk work area where he might have a radio and his laptop ...
details like that ... the entry walk in area, closet area, the placement of
the window in relation to the room .....
 
  • #365
I thought I read here either last night or early this morning a post about Joran beating one of his brothers up when his brother was 7 or 8 years old. The brother had to be hospitalized if I remember correctly. I've searched and haven't been able to find that post again. It could be that I read it somewhere else so I don't want to start a rumor!
Does anyone remember anything about that post or where I might find it?
I was just curious and wanted to read it again. TIA!!!!!!

Listen to Steph Watts radio blog program here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this
 
  • #366
I don't think his sphincter muscles could handle it. Ooops, LOL

:floorlaugh:

Yuh ... :blushing:nal retentive and full of crap. Sorry, it just slipped folks!

MOO
 
  • #367
I finally broke down and looked at the pictures today. I have been studiously avoiding any videos and pictures of the scene. They were indeed disturbing and it breaks my heart that her parents must know these photos are out there. I feel so very badly for what Stephany suffered. I apologize for being flip earlier as there is nothing funny about this situation. So many people have suffered and continue to suffer at the hands of Joran. I keep hoping that one day he will wake up with a heart and just be straight about what he has done and to whom. I hope that these families (including his own) will someday find peace.

Note her fetal position with legs drawn up just as first reported ... the
brusing really stands out ... looks like Joran's white shirt just as Joran said but, is this shirt on her or over her? Is she wearing the shirt? Lots
of questions again ...
 
  • #368
md89......terrific translation Kudos to you.

Many thanks
 
  • #369
Yuh ... :blushing:nal retentive and full of crap. Sorry, it just slipped folks!

MOO

ROFLMAO......you mean like diahhreah ???....(spl)....
 
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  • #371
The bruising and injuries are obvious - this is no actor.

These are positively Stephany Flores lying on that floor in room 309

No doubt about that. None whatsoever.
 
  • #372
Quote from md89's post of AVDS interview

She doesn't want to say what they said in the first telephone call. But it was clear that she was done with Joran. She says that if you are a mom you always have that little bit of hope that everything will be allright. She says that maybe she is fooling herself. But if you dont have that hope it's very hard.

After she learned of Stephanys dead she had a telephone conversation with Joran. He said that he was on his way to Chile and that he feared for his life because he was being followed by people with posters of Natalee Holloway. He said that he was on his way to the embassy. Anita then said that there was a girl murdered and that he needed to contact the police or embassy. Joran said: what girl? Anita couldn't remember her whole name but only Flores. Joran became very quiet and started to cry. He said what happened? They didn't hurt her did they? Anita believed Joran at that moment.

I see that the two phone calls she supposedly had with JVDS while he was in SA are being morphed and changed once again. This can't always be attributed to bad reporting. I think his mother is guilty of changing things after seeing how they went over in the press the first time too.

MOO
 
  • #373
The bruising and injuries are obvious - this is no actor.

Agreed - and while no murder is simple, the room looks like a bloody massacre occurred in there. Quite chilling.

Best,

Mel
 
  • #374
Oh, no, you need to understand. She claims he didn't harm Natalee. Natalee's case is the reason he was so distraught and ended up killing Stephany. Yeah, that's it,...............................it's Natalee's fault. :mad:

just sayin'
fran


PS....LOL, I'm not saying you don't understand mck16.......I just liked your post. :) fran.........now I need to catch up.

Hi, Fran, there is nothing in any interview given by Anita Van Der Sloot that blames Natalee Holloway for Joran's murder of Stephany Flores.
 
  • #375
This from a retired law enforcement officer regarding FBI sting in Peru.

Fron John van den Heuval:
The hotel where the girl was found, it turns out, didn't have any cameras pointing at room 309. The cameras didn't hang there regularly and have been removed, it turned out yesterday when reporters visited Hotel Tac in Lima.

Retired officer:
If the Chinese family that runs the hostel is under a gag order, I do not see how a newspaper could know whether cameras "hang there regularly" or not.

My guess is that the CCTV cameras have been removed to preserve them as evidence and for forensic examination - to show that they were working properly around the time that Joran was staying in the room.

If the Peruvians want to enter the CCTV tapes as evidence at trial, it would be a good thing to be able to also enter the cameras and have someone demonstrate how they work and testify that they were in working order in late May-early June 2010. If they wait two years till the trial comes up on the docket and they break and have to be replaced or someone steals them for "souvenirs" in the meantime, that would not be good for the prosecution.


My only question is about the part this "Elton Garcia" played in this. Allegedly, he called the hotel or got someone from the casino to do it. Why? I have also read that he had dinner plans with Joran, Joran didn't show, and Garcia wanted someone to check on him. He knew Joran was a rolling stone. Why would he have worried about him? Why not just have assumed that he had decided to move on or head home after a losing night at the tables or something like that. And Garcia was an Albanian who was a naturalized Peruvian citizen?????

I seriously doubt that this whole thing was set up as an FBI sting. They can't move that fast even in America. Besides, why would they have needed CCTV cameras trained on his room? If they were trying to keep track of him till they could get the indictment in Birmingham and then try to persuade the Peruvians to arrest him pending extradition, you'd think that a couple of agents on the ground surveilling him would have been a lot more use to them than CCTV.
 
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  • #377
I'm not sure what I think about AVDS' interview. Taken at face value, I feel a lot more sympathy for her than I did. However, I'm not sure it can be taken at face value. Is lying a family trait? Literally, can it be a genetic trait in a family? Her interview was meant to either clear the air as to her and her husband's previous involvement or it was meant to garner sympathy for the current situation. I'm not sure what her motive is, which makes the interview more suspect in my eyes.
 
  • #378
Yes that's Joran's shirt for sure. This girl put up an incredible fight for her life. Did you see the bruises on her feet?

I also noticed that her sneakers were still tied in a bow.....he must've just pulled them off her feet.

Lord, that poor girl. She entered the room and left in a body bag.

This was NOT as one-sided as Joran claims - there was definately a
fight-struggle lasting more than just several minutes. The bruising on her
hands and the room dissarray show that. Her knees drawn up in a fetal
position show the end. This does not look haphazard to me but methodical at the end - this guy knew exactly what he was doing, trying to kill her.
 
  • #379
By looking at pictures #1 and #2, it appears as though Stephany was wearing the white shirt since the sleeves seem to be covering both of her arms/wrists. Does anyone else think this?

Thats what I think, not laid OVER her as Joran stated, but On her ...
probably prior to the killing.
 
  • #380
AVDS stated she didn't know where he got the money to go to Peru.....well we all know where that came from. The Extortion fraud case. Not that answers that.

She also hoped that he has a mattress....yup he got that too.......and he can wash because we did see a sink and the toilet does drip constantly, so there is some water in his cell.

On the MSNBC Video.....the inmate called the place ELEGANT......they even grow roses which are outside the cell block where Joran is residing....so the view is pleasant even though he can't see it. He'll just have to take our word for that.

So aside from everything else.......it seems he's staying in a 5 Star Prison....LOL at that one.

 
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