Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #19

[doobiedoo52]

Also, I'm wondering if the keyboard of his laptop has been luminoled. If his story is true, there should be blood spatter INSIDE the laptop. I know they haven't been able to search the contents, but could the machine itself be tested for blood without a judge's order?

 

[Kat]

Personally...IMOO...If it was my "time of the month" I would not remove my pants to get comfortable.. I'm still shy till this day about that..:blushing:.. I can't believe for a sec. that she would do that...

I agree Frogin. I also can't see her taking her pants off in a man's hotel room that she doesn't even know very well. Even though she's young and is of a very different culture and socio-economic status. I just don't think she would have done that. Just my :twocents:

 

[Carrington]

I kept thinking about why Joran's DNA is NOT in the system?
Jean C said that if they found SF had his DNA under her nails, his DNA would be entered.
Aruba should have done that. I know his wasn't really charged with any crime in Aruba, but still, they had him locked up awhile.
IMO

 

[musictomyears]

I know that Joran "confessed" that he used his shirt to asphyxiate her, but, since he tells so many tales, perhaps Stephany had his shirt on prior to the attack. It is winter in Peru and we see in the videos that she enters the room in a sleeveless top and perhaps she was cold and Joran gave her his shirt to warm up. It certainly would explain the amount of blood on the shirt. IMO It just seems so odd that he would take the time to put his shirt on her after the attack. I'm tossing out another option.

 

[froginTtown]

Also, I'm wondering if the keyboard of his laptop has been luminoled. If his story is true, there should be blood spatter INSIDE the laptop. I know they haven't been able to search the contents, but could the machine itself be tested for blood without a judge's order?

Great Catch... or can they hold the lap top as forensic evidence...KWIM ??

 

[jilly]

BBM
The Dutch TV program is ONLY giving a portion of the $100,000.00 they received from ABC to Joran's lawyer. There is no amount listed of how much of the $100,000.00 they are giving to Joran's lawyer.

That's correct but the fact is that they are giving money to his defense fund. The amount is really beside the point.

 

[Carrington]

Great Catch... or can they hold the lap top as forensic evidence...KWIM ??

I think they can and will do anything they want too.
They will get tried of Joran's games real quick.
IMO

 

[froginTtown]

I know that Joran "confessed" that he used his shirt to asphyxiate her, but, since he tells so many tales, perhaps Stephany had his shirt on prior to the attack. It is winter in Peru and we see in the videos that she enters the room in a sleeveless top and perhaps she was cold and Joran gave her his shirt to warm up. It certainly would explain the amount of blood on the shirt. IMO It just seems so odd that he would take the time to put his shirt on her after the attack. I'm tossing out another option.

On Crimesider it shows her body...Only her left arm is inside the shirt... MOO

 

[Melanie]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed - the receptionist's statement. I have to wonder why she would knock on the door at midnight, regardless if he owed 2 days. Wouldn't a hotel wait until the morning? Now I'm glad they found Stephany, but it raises my hinky meter just a tad. Maybe because it's not a 5 star hotel (in which case probably would never do such a thing). Did he pay by credit card, and the hotel couldnt run it? Just more questions!

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...murdered-woman-joran-van-der-sloots-room-read

View attachment vandertranslation.pdf

Best,

Mel

ETA the statement indicates Stephany was wearing a dark shirt, red underwear, and covered with a white sheet. Now I thought she was wearing the white shirt (at least in part). She doesn't mention the shirt at all??

 

[Nova]

I kept thinking about why Joran's DNA is NOT in the system?
Jean C said that if they found SF had his DNA under her nails, his DNA would be entered.
Aruba should have done that. I know his wasn't really charged with any crime in Aruba, but still, they had him locked up awhile.
IMO

Collecting DNA from persons who have merely been accused of crimes is rightfully controversial, considering the potential for abuse. It may be Aruban/Dutch law doesn't allow it.

 

[Kimmer]

IMO in the very beginning of the NH case JVS was able to give great detail about the underwear that NH was wearing that night, Now IMO if you are in the backseat of a dark car, and then at a dark beach there is no way that you would be able to recall all of the detail of this garment, but if after you killed her you took them as a souvenir of you killing you would know exactly what they looked like...

Forward to the SF murder I think that JVS removed her pants in order to again take her underwear as a souvenir (sick if you ask me) but when he realized that it was her time of the month he no longer wanted to deal with them...Again this is just MO that would explain him removing her pants...

I also think that she had her shoes on and was in the upright position during this horrific crime and the blood dropped onto her shoes, I can tell you the forensics will show if the blood dropped from a distance of her height or if it was castoff from blood being slung around the shoes, but I still think they were on her and JVS removed them before he removed her pants.

 

[Kat]

I had a thought about the possibility of Stephany having JVDS DNA under her fingernails and the lack of scratches that we have seen in pictures.

IIRC, there wouldn't be a need for her to scratch him as deep to leave a mark on his skin. If she so much as was able to just rake her nails along his skin without digging, then she would have enough of his skin cells under her fingernails.

Say for example your Husband/Wife asks you to scratch their back. You gently rub your fingernails across their back. You will come away with a lot of their cells packed under your fingernails. You won't even notice it.

So she might have reached out blindly and without much strength and her nails came in contact somewhere on his body (forearms, etc.) and that's why she has DNA under her nails.

Might JVDS' DNA or perhaps someone else's she was in contact earlier that evening. We will have to wait and see.

JMHO and :twocents:

 

[suzihawk]

I know that Joran "confessed" that he used his shirt to asphyxiate her, but, since he tells so many tales, perhaps Stephany had his shirt on prior to the attack. It is winter in Peru and we see in the videos that she enters the room in a sleeveless top and perhaps she was cold and Joran gave her his shirt to warm up. It certainly would explain the amount of blood on the shirt. IMO It just seems so odd that he would take the time to put his shirt on her after the attack. I'm tossing out another option.

Interesting thought... but he doesn't exactly strike me as the gentlemanly type at all or the type that would care enough to worry whether she was uncomfortable.

 

[froginTtown]

IMO in the very beginning of the NH case JVS was able to give great detail about the underwear that NH was wearing that night, Now IMO if you are in the backseat of a dark car, and then at a dark beach there is no way that you would be able to recall all of the detail of this garment, but if after you killed her you took them as a souvenir of you killing you would know exactly what they looked like...

Forward to the SF murder I think that JVS removed her pants in order to again take her underwear as a souvenir (sick if you ask me) but when he realized that it was her time of the month he no longer wanted to deal with them...Again this is just MO that would explain him removing her pants...

I also think that she had her shoes on and was in the upright position during this horrific crime and the blood dropped onto her shoes, I can tell you the forensics will show if the blood dropped from a distance of her height or if it was castoff from blood being slung around the shoes, but I still think they were on her and JVS removed them before he removed her pants.

I always love to read your post...We think so much alike... Crazy as it sounds...When I feel stumped...you seem to come up with something.... And, I really loved your "held in" version.... THANKS...:dance:

 

[Kimmer]

I always love to read your post...We think so much alike... Crazy as it sounds...When I feel stumped...you seem to come up with something.... And, I really loved your "held in" version.... THANKS...:dance:

Well thank you very much, I try not to post just for the sake of posting, I really try to think out plausible explanation's for my posts....I really needed to be cheered up tonight been having a rough week, so Thanks Again.

 

[Melanie]

IMO in the very beginning of the NH case JVS was able to give great detail about the underwear that NH was wearing that night, Now IMO if you are in the backseat of a dark car, and then at a dark beach there is no way that you would be able to recall all of the detail of this garment, but if after you killed her you took them as a souvenir of you killing you would know exactly what they looked like...

Forward to the SF murder I think that JVS removed her pants in order to again take her underwear as a souvenir (sick if you ask me) but when he realized that it was her time of the month he no longer wanted to deal with them...Again this is just MO that would explain him removing her pants...

I also think that she had her shoes on and was in the upright position during this horrific crime and the blood dropped onto her shoes, I can tell you the forensics will show if the blood dropped from a distance of her height or if it was castoff from blood being slung around the shoes, but I still think they were on her and JVS removed them before he removed her pants.

Kim,

You are spot on. If he can remember such detail, then forget his own shoes on the beach, tells me he's probably not telling the truth (IMHO in the Natalie case).

And I agree with you on the shoes, that he removed them. If you look at the shoe picture pretty closely, it looks like drops, not spatter, to me. But then again, I'm not a forensics expert. Instead I notice that the shoes are still tied. Her parents/friends would be able to tell us if she usually removed her shoes while still tied.

Best,

Mel

 

[suzihawk]

That's correct but the fact is that they are giving money to his defense fund. The amount is really beside the point.

You know... as I said before, I don't really care if AVS or anyone else is giving money to his attorneys or where that money comes from -legally, that is. God knows his fees are going to be enormous. Receiving funds from licensing, interviews, etc. isn't illegal. I just don't understand the idea that they aren't *really* receiving money or profiting from these things because it's being sent directly to (or spent on) the attorney. :waitasec:

 

[Beatrice]

I'm confused...NG & another news source describe Stephany's sneakers as "blood soaked" when there is just droplets of blood....

I had thought I saw a scratch on Joran's head on the left side. Maybe he used Hydrogen Peroxide to clean up the blood & it bleached the hair in this area. Resulting in him bleaching his entire head.

 

[Columbo]

I had a thought about the possibility of Stephany having JVDS DNA under her fingernails and the lack of scratches that we have seen in pictures.

IIRC, there wouldn't be a need for her to scratch him as deep to leave a mark on his skin. If she so much as was able to just rake her nails along his skin without digging, then she would have enough of his skin cells under her fingernails.

Say for example your Husband/Wife asks you to scratch their back. You gently rub your fingernails across their back. You will come away with a lot of their cells packed under your fingernails. You won't even notice it.

So she might have reached out blindly and without much strength and her nails came in contact somewhere on his body (forearms, etc.) and that's why she has DNA under her nails.

Might JVDS' DNA or perhaps someone else's she was in contact earlier that evening. We will have to wait and see.

JMHO and :twocents:

Thanks, Kat.
Don't know why I was thinking she'd have to have huge pieces of his skin under her nails. DUH !!! not...

 

[Beatrice]

Bottom Line:

Joran is responsible for the disappearance and/or death of Natalee Holloway.

Joran is responsible for the death of Stephany Flores.

Before we say "Case Closed"...Where is Natalee, Joran?

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One scenario of Joran's is that someone of power paid him 10k for Natalee alive. (Joran was going off to college & would need cash for all his addictions.)

Joran claims this same man contacted him recently & asked if he needed money.

Joran told Patrick van der Eem that at the 10 year point he would come into a financial windfall.
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Patrick told Joran "You are so lucky...You must have a Higher Power." (A God)
Joran answered, "Yes, I was quite lucky...Higher Powers...