Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #21

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Since she was in the NL I don't know how much factual information she has about " that incident " as what Paul told her was based on what he did/knew/saw.
After the fact she may have been more discerning seeing Joran's behavior. BUT...we may never know what she thinks or knows other than using this as an opportunity to preserve her reputation, and that of her two other sons.

She has to be thinking about them at some point. Sooner would have been better than later.


If she does know anything, I would imagine she could be seen as an accessory after the fact (please correct me on this if I'm mistaken). Along with anyone else who may still be living who has any information, or who helped in a cover up, and did not/has not come forward. Anita still lives on Aruba and has two other children to think about...if she knows names or information of others involved, she's not going to be speaking anytime soon. I think that's the main reason why she still refuses to acknowledge that Joran may have been involved at all. Even in light of the recent events regarding SF.

In Stephany's case, AVDS knows the facts/evidence and neither her or anyone around her has any culpability so she's okay with admitting Joran's probable involvement. If the truth about NH comes out, it could possibly bring down her entire world, whereas this case only affects her son. The same person who needs her more than ever right now so she's likely pretty confident that he won't be throwing her under the bus any time soon either.

MOO
 
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Per JC via In Session JVS's attorney filed appeal this morning. On now.

Hi hollyblue.

HLN reports it may take up to three years for appeal to be processed?
 
  • #23
A little O/T. I believe that justice masquerading as Karma begins (began for JVS and KC) the very moment they could no longer do just as they choose when they choose as is the case with their victims. We really don't have to wait for a more permanent resolution to feel that what is in progress for both "alleged" murderers will remove that mask someday and there will be justice recognized.
 
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i would actually watch an interview of jvds from his jail cell just to see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears the lies that he will attempt to pass as truths - which in the end will only prove to seal his fate. unfortunately i think that jvds will adapt very well to prison life ... especially the type of prison that he is currently in. financially he is a king in comparison to the rest of the inmates, not to mention that he has always seemed eager to learn the more nefarious ways to obtain his "needs".... its possible that he could fair better in prison than he ever would have in his poker "career.... moo right now he is like a pig in 🤬🤬🤬🤬... he has the eye of the world watching him and a lot of news organizations willing to pay stupid amounts of money just to get a snippit with him... moo moo moo
 
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Mgardner:

Oh Yah! How many catered meals do you think JVS can buy with a cool million.

According to the State Department Human Rights report for Peru, prison conditions are harsh although prisoners with money have access to everything from cell phones to drugs and catered meals.

Even if he gets 1/2 of the money he wants, he's going to live pretty sweet. He'll probably even get that curtain he wants too!

More here:

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/sto...nGhgwCa5Q.cspx

Mel



Hi mel.

ty for the link.

I had been concerned about violence against JVS, if he was to eventually end up in gen pop.
'Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS reportedly remained at near-epidemic levels.'
I had not considered the health issues.


The incoming revenue will provide a lot of payola for protection while JVS is incarcerated.
 
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It makes me sick thinking he would ever make a cent from the crimes he has committed. It's just too twisted!
 
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It makes me sick thinking he would ever make a cent from the crimes he has committed. It's just too twisted!


Absolutely! But he STILL can not move about traveling from country to country. He won't be free! If he is a sociopath, he may be happy because he adapts to whatever situation, but I don't believe this. I think he will be miserable no matter how much money he makes off of killing people.
 
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If she does know anything, I would imagine she could be seen as an accessory after the fact (please correct me on this if I'm mistaken). Along with anyone else who may still be living who has any information, or who helped in a cover up, and did not/has not come forward. Anita still lives on Aruba and has two other children to think about...if she knows names or information of others involved, she's not going to be speaking anytime soon. I think that's the main reason why she still refuses to acknowledge that Joran may have been involved at all. Even in light of the recent events regarding SF.

In Stephany's case, AVDS knows the facts/evidence and neither her or anyone around her has any culpability so she's okay with admitting Joran's probable involvement. If the truth about NH comes out, it could possibly bring down her entire world, whereas this case only affects her son. The same person who needs her more than ever right now so she's likely pretty confident that he won't be throwing her under the bus any time soon either.

MOO

A few people on this thread are musing about this, so here goes.

The article I asked about at Biography.com included the following: the family relocated to Aruba when Joran was 16.

This is not what the author of Paul's biography ( also noted to show his recent activities as a judge in training ) meant to convey.

In 2003 Paul received an opportunity to train as a judge- completed one year IN THE NL, and returned back to live full time in Aruba when Joran was 16.

this coincides completely with the other events we know. Joran conduct problems, kicking brothers, anger management, sneaking out windows, stealing money, breaking cell phones, etc.

ANITA was a single parent for a year, save Pauls visits back home, when and if he could come home,depending on the schedule of his training and duties in the NL.

Anita was 45/46, single, for the most part, parenting three boys, one of who was not 6" 3' and had a temper. The worst possible circumstances happened all at the same time.

She had a reputation at work to uphold and duties there, and here is her son acting up, maybe making her late for work or unprepared. There is an allegation of Joran apologizing to the entire class, statements form schoolmates, etc.

The boys are relatively close in age but Sebastian would be farther away developmentally than Joran and Valentin. Joran being the oldest and largest.
Valentin has some activities at this time showing he was already exploring some of the same activities as Joran, parties with the pseudo gang symbols, etc, but he is not yet in that league and appears to be a better student, more compliant- he is the middle child typically the mediator/peacemaker in the family, but Sebastiaan is the baby.

Sebastiaan is the brother Jossy Mansur alleges was beaten badly by Joran when Sebatian was around aged 7/8. Valentin is three years older than Sebas, Joran is roughly 3 years older than Valentin.

Joran would have been about 15/16.

Mid Life crisis extraordinaire. Imagine your husband away for a year and trying to defuse situations when the root of your problem lives with you and accompanies you to work, daily.


Joran has " no respect for women " and it is his mother, a woman, who is in charge the year he climbs out windows, is drinking alcohol, etc.

Paul isn't around to take him to play tennis, Joran doesn't drive and it is easier to allow him to get away with friends, have them over for sleepovers than to try to entertain him and keep him in line with the other children in the house needing attention as well.

If Anita ever admits to anything it will be that there were problems that got worse, because of the night Joran met Natalee at CnC. SHe knows full well that she needed to get away from him, too, for that period she was in the NL. Paul was the parent on duty and he had recently failed his final judges exam and was technically out of work.

Big Beach party weekend, teenagers on the streets and no one watching the store- so to speak.

I don't think for a minute Anita will admit to knowing and believing anything other than what she was told. Paul was in charge of all three of his sons that night and he is the one she would have looked to for the truth.
 
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was not= was 6' 3".
AMENDED
sorry
 
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It makes me sick thinking he would ever make a cent from the crimes he has committed. It's just too twisted!

I agree with you, but what is really twisted are the people that would pay him money and the people that will pay to read, watch, or listen to it. jmo
 
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Good. I want him and his attorneys to file every possible appeal. I want them to have all of the witnesses and files and materials from discovery. I want Joran to have the BEST attorney to defend him, the most impartial judges, and the cleanest, most ethical prosecution possible.

Because if there is justice, he will go to prison.
 
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I rarely boycott, but a JVS interview will NOT be on my viewing list. It won't matter overall, but I will feel better about it. What's to be gained by interviewing him anyway? Who on earth would believe even the smallest utterance from him? Not me.

And, no, I am not advocating organizing a boycott. I understand the TOS. :)

I wouldn't watch either. Only reason I would watch would be if authorities were allowed to give him sodium penathol during the interview. I don't have any desire to hear any more of his lies.
 
  • #34
HLN on now......Stephany's father has seen the judge and gave his statement.
Stephany was absolutely AGAINST drugs............but anfedimines found in her system.
Stephany told her friends that she was the HAPPIEST she had ever been in her life, the same day she was murdered.
It has been exactly 1 month!
 
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I wouldn't watch either. Only reason I would watch would be if authorities were allowed to give him sodium penathol during the interview. I don't have any desire to hear any more of his lies.

I agree!! Now fortunately or in this case unfortunately it's considered torture (grrrrrrr) - [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_drug[/ame]
 
  • #36
BBM
Which part?

How about this for starters -

For one thing John van den Heuval (same one that had negative comments on Ms. Gielen's Documentary) brought out a bunch of garbage after visiting with Anita and Joran. He's known as a rather weak man and hasn't had much chance in something like he has done this time going to Aruba and Peru
 
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How about this for starters -For one thing John van den Heuval (same one that had negative comments on Ms. Gielen's Documentary) brought out a bunch of garbage after visiting with Anita and Joran. He's known as a rather weak man and hasn't had much chance in something like he has done this time going to Aruba and Peru

When Renee released her Documentary about Natalee he said she was nuts. It's on the Web, you are free to research his past words regarding Natalee and the Documentaqry.
As far as his reputation, that comes from someone living in Nl that knows their journalists. I don't have a link.

Yes, he didn't get paid or pay for the interview, however the american news media that obtained the interview of Anita supposedly put a price on it, some of which was to go for Joran's defense in Peru. Not?
 
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If she does know anything, I would imagine she could be seen as an accessory after the fact (please correct me on this if I'm mistaken). Along with anyone else who may still be living who has any information, or who helped in a cover up, and did not/has not come forward. Anita still lives on Aruba and has two other children to think about...if she knows names or information of others involved, she's not going to be speaking anytime soon. I think that's the main reason why she still refuses to acknowledge that Joran may have been involved at all. Even in light of the recent events regarding SF.

In Stephany's case, AVDS knows the facts/evidence and neither her or anyone around her has any culpability so she's okay with admitting Joran's probable involvement. If the truth about NH comes out, it could possibly bring down her entire world, whereas this case only affects her son. The same person who needs her more than ever right now so she's likely pretty confident that he won't be throwing her under the bus any time soon either.

MOO

ITA. I just don't like the way she's inferring that the cause of joran being "sick in the head" stems from the investigation in the Holloway case.
 
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