GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #24

[Hazel]

When you think about it, Beth had involved the FBI, her lawyer and a Dutch TV show in the money deal with Joran. Was the happy ending supposed to be Joran sent to the US via Peru?

My humble opinion is JVdS didn't do his homework - he probably thought poorly of South American countries - boy what a surprise he must have had when he found out Lima and Santiago are big, modern, cosmopolitan, beautiful cities! delicious food, etc...

If he had only used his laptop and checked Wikipedia or the many Travel guides, YouTube, etc. :floorlaugh:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima"]Lima - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Lima is the capital and the largest city of Peru. It is located in the valleys of the Chillón, Rímac and Lurín rivers, in the central part of the country, on a desert coast overlooking the Pacific Ocean. Together with the seaport of Callao, it forms a contiguous urban area known as the Lima Metropolitan Area. With a population fast approaching 9 million, Lima is the fifth largest city in Latin America, behind Mexico City, São Paulo, Buenos Aires and Rio de Janeiro. Lima is home to one of the largest financial hubs in Latin America. It has been defined as a beta world city by GaWC international ranking.

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-191502077-lima_vacations-i

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago"]Santiago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Santiago, also known as Santiago de Chile, is the capital and largest city of Chile, and the center of its largest conurbation (Greater Santiago). It is located in the country's central valley, at an elevation of 520 m (1,706.04 ft) above mean sea level. Although Santiago is the capital, legislative bodies meet in the coastal town of Valparaíso, 120km to the west.

Chile's steady economic growth has transformed Santiago into one of Latin America's most modern metropolitan areas, with extensive suburban development, dozens of shopping centers, and impressive high-rise architecture. It has a very modern transport infrastructure, including the steadily growing underground Santiago Metro, an effort at modernizing public bus transport and a free flow toll-based ring road and inner city highway system, part of which is tunneled underneath a large section of the city's main river Mapocho connecting the Eastern and Western end of the city in a 25-minute drive. Santiago is the regional headquarters to many multinationals and a financial center. Santiago has a diverse, cosmopolitan culture.

 

[otto]

I guess the big question is still whether a US citizen should be expelled from Chile to Peru, without consultation with either a lawyer or the embassy, because someone in Peru suspects that US citizen of committing a crime and based on paperwork dated 2.5 weeks prior to the crime occurred.

 

[annalia]

My humble opinion is JVdS didn't do his homework - he probably thought poorly of South American countries - boy what a surprise he must have had when he found out Lima and Santiago are big, modern, cosmopolitan, beautiful cities! delicious food, etc...

If he had only used his laptop and checked Wikipedia or the many Travel guides, YouTube, etc. :floorlaugh:
Lima - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-191502077-lima_vacations-i

Santiago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Agreed, didn't do his homework and underestimated LE, thinking just telling more of his lies would just get him out of this too.

It was a great work by Interpol and LE, all done legally and properly that got him.

The short of it, he cons three guys to get him out of Peru into Chile, he lies about his reasons for being in Chile on offical paperwork, makes him an undesirable illegally entering, cause for expulsion. Police were quickly able to track down the drivers who took him across the border. He's taken back to the exact spot he entered the country under false pretenses. This time his lies did him in.

Good police work did it not some fantasy about an international conspiracy against him.

 

[Hazel]

I guess the big question is still whether a US citizen should be expelled from Chile to Peru, without consultation with either a lawyer or the embassy, because someone in Peru suspects that US citizen of committing a crime and based on paperwork dated 2.5 weeks prior to the crime occurred.

To be honest, I don't know otto. Anyone can sue anyone, that doesn't mean they have enough grounds or that they will win. In his case, with all the evidence they had at the time, there was no doubt it was him who killed Stephany, so it was not just a 'suspicion". Later on, more and more evidence came out -- and the trial is set to start January 6 -- that's why he must be so scared, he is trying to delay proceedings.

My guess is he might get a partial win based on a technicality, like no access to a phone call (though he had his cellphone and laptop with him, and could have easily called his mother at any point in time after entering Chile,

IMHO, he doesn't have grounds for any lawsuit. Why did he go to Chile in the first place? He was running from the law, wasn't he?

Just for the sake of argument, let's say he gets a partial win, what if he is awarded what he is asking for, BUT without a few zeros ....let's say $ 100 Euros sounds good to me

the demand is for Euros not US Dollars, am I right?

 

[annalia]

Hazel, interesting note about calling his mother.

Reportedly, in Chile he wasn't being questioned about Stephany but he voluntarily tells Chilean authorities that he was just about to go to the police and explain what happened because he had talked to his mother on the phone who told him to go. That was either before or after he voluntarily told Chilean police that two dirty Peruvian police had attacked Stephany.

 

[otto]

To be honest, I don't know otto. Anyone can sue anyone, that doesn't mean they have enough grounds or that they will win. In his case, with all the evidence they had at the time, there was no doubt it was him who killed Stephany, so it was not just a 'suspicion". Later on, more and more evidence came out -- and the trial is set to start January 6 -- that's why he must be so scared, he is trying to delay proceedings.

My guess is he might get a partial win based on a technicality, like no access to a phone call (though he had his cellphone and laptop with him, and could have easily called his mother at any point in time after entering Chile,

IMHO, he doesn't have grounds for any lawsuit. Why did he go to Chile in the first place? He was running from the law, wasn't he?

Just for the sake of argument, let's say he gets a partial win, what if he is awarded what he is asking for, BUT without a few zeros ....let's say $ 100 Euros sounds good to me

the demand is for Euros not US Dollars, am I right?

I suspect that Natalie suffered the same fate as Stefanie ... a violent, abrupt temper resulting in death. I'm of the opinion that Joran should never be free again.

That said, I still think he has a valid case regarding the violation of human rights. Arguing law and seeing justice do not always seem to work together.

 

[fran]

FWIW, Joran Van der Sloot is not an American citizen. Thank goodness!

He's a Dutch.

According to this CNN article "Chile and Peru say van der Sloot's expulsion from Chile was legal under the Southern Common Market treaty that allows for international cooperation in criminal matters"

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...extradition/UPI-85161322763088/#ixzz1fcGYcRUr


Now the way I see it, according to this article, old Joran was offered $2m by a Dutch media outlet for an interview, but he turned it down because......,.....you're gonna love this one!

He knew they were going to ask about the Flores family and out of respect for them he turned it down," his self-proclaimed "guardian angel," Mary Hamer, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"He has principles, he didn't want to disrespect the family," said the radiologist from Lake City, Florida, who befriended Joran soon after the alleged murder and has been wiring him money.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...sloot-turns-down-2-million-pay-day-sues-chile


Yep! LOL, he's got principles! :floorlaugh:

I think his EXCUSE runs a little flat with the filing of this $13M lawsuit, doncha' think!? :innocent:

Anyway, now I think I understand what this alleged 'guardian angel' sees in old Joran....$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yep, old as time. $Money$.

JMHO and all that!
fran

PS

How many lawsuits has Joran filed?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/28/joran-van-der-sloot-lawsuit_n_1116638.html
Joran Van Der Sloot Names Former President And Stephany Flores' Father In $10 Million Lawsuit

 

[Hazel]

JMHO and all that!
fran

PS

How many lawsuits has Joran filed?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/28/joran-van-der-sloot-lawsuit_n_1116638.html
Joran Van Der Sloot Names Former President And Stephany Flores' Father In $10 Million Lawsuit

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"The lawsuit is against the Chilean government, for having violated Joran van der Sloot's basic human rights," his Peruvian lawyer Aldo Cotrina told In Session.

The suit was filed September 4 with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights in Washington.

Cotrina said he expects to complete next week a similar document, to be filed against the government of Peru.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/30/world/americas/chile-van-der-sloot/index.html?hpt=ju_c2

The list of people named in lawsuit is long : http://www.panamericana.pe/eldominicalc/locales/96323

• Ex-President of Peru, Alan Garcia Perez
• Ex-Minister of the Interior, Octavio Salazar
• Victim's father: Ricardo Flores Chipoco
• Head of the Dirincri, general Cesar Guardia
• Head of Criminal Investigations, Colonel PNP Miguel Angel Canya Ore
• Head of National Police (PNP) general Miguel Hidalgo
• Provincial Prosecutor of Lima, Dr. Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor
• Executive Director of the Interpol, Colonel Manuel Malaver
• Acting Chief of the Interpol Peru, Commandant Zojar Ortiz

 

[vlpate]

I guess the big question is still whether a US citizen should be expelled from Chile to Peru, without consultation with either a lawyer or the embassy, because someone in Peru suspects that US citizen of committing a crime and based on paperwork dated 2.5 weeks prior to the crime occurred.

Joran is not a US Citizen.

 

[vlpate]

FWIW, Joran Van der Sloot is not an American citizen. Thank goodness!

He's a Dutch.

According to this CNN article "Chile and Peru say van der Sloot's expulsion from Chile was legal under the Southern Common Market treaty that allows for international cooperation in criminal matters"

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...extradition/UPI-85161322763088/#ixzz1fcGYcRUr


Now the way I see it, according to this article, old Joran was offered $2m by a Dutch media outlet for an interview, but he turned it down because......,.....you're gonna love this one!

He knew they were going to ask about the Flores family and out of respect for them he turned it down," his self-proclaimed "guardian angel," Mary Hamer, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"He has principles, he didn't want to disrespect the family," said the radiologist from Lake City, Florida, who befriended Joran soon after the alleged murder and has been wiring him money.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...sloot-turns-down-2-million-pay-day-sues-chile


Yep! LOL, he's got principles! :floorlaugh:

I think his EXCUSE runs a little flat with the filing of this $13M lawsuit, doncha' think!? :innocent:

Anyway, now I think I understand what this alleged 'guardian angel' sees in old Joran....$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yep, old as time. $Money$.

JMHO and all that!
fran

PS

How many lawsuits has Joran filed?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/28/joran-van-der-sloot-lawsuit_n_1116638.html
Joran Van Der Sloot Names Former President And Stephany Flores' Father In $10 Million Lawsuit

oops, sorry, should have read entire thread. There's always someone for everyone, even cold blooded killers. Serial killers are flooded with mail on a daily basis from admirers.... it's insane.

 

[vlpate]

It's a human rights issue, which means that the date on the paperwork will be at the core of the case. There's no room for arguing that someone was sloppy with the date, because that opens the door to the possibility that there were irregularities and sloppiness throughout the process.

Paperwork mistakes are just that, mistakes - there are usually other fail-safes that date the documents correctly.

Just ask Casey Anthony.

 

[annalia]

JVDS' human rights weren't violated. It's a last ditch effort to stall the trial. Remember his first lawyer said his plan was to paralyze the process?

There's a difference between being extradited and being expelled, in other words getting deported, which is what happened to JVDS in Chile. His lawyer probably knows it already, but they're running out of ways to stop the trial, once they get to trial he probably doesn't have much in the way of a defense, if anything at all..

He just wasn't as smart as he thought he was. It was JVDS' own actions that got him expelled, LE responded according to their laws. Now there's something Joran was never used to, being held accountable. Only he would think he could go anywhere in the world, murder a girl, flee that country, enter another country illegally and cry because he didn't get away with it.
Too bad, so sad, cry me a river

 

[otto]

I'm curious about whether it is within the Declaration of Human Rights that someone can be expelled to a third party country without consulation with a lawyer, or the Embassy and under what circumstances a person can be expelled. I would like to know whether someone can only be expelled to their native country and then extradicted to a third party country, or if it's more of a free for all.

 

[annalia]

JUDGEMENT AGAINST DUTCH Joran van der Sloot will begin on 6 February

Lima, December 4, 2011, (ANDINA) .

The chief prosecutor Miriam Zully Castellares Riveros, confirmed that the case against Joran Andreas Petrus Dutchman Van der Sloot, accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores, will begin on February 6.

Van der Sloot is accused of crimes against life, body and health as a figure of simple murder and theft, to the detriment of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, so that the public prosecutor requested a sentence of 30 years of deprivation of freedom and the payment of civil damages of 200 000 new soles.

http://www.elinformanteperu.com/agenda.php?idarticulos=61074

 

[Hazel]

JUDGEMENT AGAINST DUTCH Joran van der Sloot will begin on 6 February

http://www.elinformanteperu.com/agenda.php?idarticulos=61074

Has there been change of date just lately from January 6 to February 6?

January:

• article dated Nov. 25
• article dated Nov. 26

February:

• article dated Dec. 2
  
• article dated Dec. 4

 

[annalia]

I was wondering the same thing Hazel. Maybe this date is wrong, or the date was changed. :waitasec:

Guess if we don't hear anything about the trial having started come Jan 6th, we'll know it was changed to Feb 6th.

 

[Hazel]

This other article, dated Dec. 2, states January 6, so I guess those other two were wrong.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2011-12-02-confirman-que-juicio-oral-a-joran-van-der-sloot-empezara-el-6-de-enero-noticia_428039.html

Trial against JVdS will begin on January 6th, 2012, at 10:00 am :yesss:

 

[Coldpizza]

Joran Van Der Sloot's Admirer: Dr. Mary Hamer Says She's The Accused Killer's 'Guardian Angel'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...3&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk3|119538

 

[Steely Dan]

Joran Van Der Sloot's Admirer: Dr. Mary Hamer Says She's The Accused Killer's 'Guardian Angel'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...3&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk3|119538

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF3IpNU1Yu8"]cuckoo clock 2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kamille]

More delusional ramblings from Dr Mary Hamer.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-do...-holloway-suspect-joran-van/story?id=15145035

Just the fact that Joran and his mother are willing to exploit this woman's obvious "fragile mental state" is disgusting to me.

MOO