Pit Bull Ban Starts Today In Garfield Heights, OH

[imthemom]

If his insurance covered it, that would be an admission of liability, which proves my point. A deer, by comparison, cannot and is not expected to be controlled by a human. A dog, on the other hand, is expected to be controled by a human. If that human fails to control the dog, they are responsible for any damages that dog creates.

Your last sentence isn't clear to me, so if you'd like to rephrase it, I'll be happy to try and answer; however, since its comparing apples and oranges, you may wish to just let it slide.

I mean the drivers insurance would cover it. Sure the legality of it is that the owner of the dog would pay for the damage but to me this is not morally right unless this had been a dog running around the neighborhood causing trouble all the time.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I mean the drivers insurance would cover it. Sure the legality of it is that the owner of the dog would pay for the damage but to me this is not morally right unless this had been a dog running around the neighborhood causing trouble all the time.

No, actually, owners are responsible for their dogs regardless of the number of times they allow them to cause trouble.

 

[Details]

That's similar to someone saying if we allow gay marriage then the next step is people trying to marry goats.

Exactly!

 

[Details]

LOL! You don't want a 90 lb Pit sitting on your lap while a 140 lb Rot looks on adoringly?

Actually we're pretty receptive when people are afraid of our dogs. Most of my friends aren't so I leave them lose but when there's lots of children, I put them away. I also put them away when my Mom or Gram comes over, they're terrified of them. My Mom spent the night one time and my Pit was sitting next to her licking her hand over and over and I said "See, he loves you" and she said "Yeah right, he's just tenderizing me right now."

Just because they're nice sometimes doesn't mean they are good dogs, won't attack.

One thing I notice in the other breed dog attack stories on this thread - aside from the obvious that the person is here and alive to talk about it - is that the damage wasn't so severe. That's the problem with pits. Any dog can get triggered and attack. Pits don't stop, and are stronger than most other dogs so they do more damage. And that's what they're trying to do - damage.

 

[Lurker]

Just because they're nice sometimes doesn't mean they are good dogs, won't attack.

One thing I notice in the other breed dog attack stories on this thread - aside from the obvious that the person is here and alive to talk about it - is that the damage wasn't so severe. That's the problem with pits. Any dog can get triggered and attack. Pits don't stop, and are stronger than most other dogs so they do more damage. And that's what they're trying to do - damage.

My dogs aren't nice "sometimes", they've never shown any aggression whatsoever, they're 4 and 6. I agree that some pits are mean but there are also some that are excellent, loving dogs. This is my 2nd pit, my first was a female that was put down at the ripe old age of 16. She never showed any sign of aggression either except for at the guy who jumped out from behind a tree at me in the woods. Mine have never been chained or penned or kept outside.

I guess we should just agree to disagree.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Mine have never been chained or penned or kept outside.

Reminds me of the lady who was recently eaten by her pits whom she allowed to sleep in her bed with her.

I'll agree to this: Most pits that people have had since they were pups are nice . . . until they aren't.

 

[nanandjim]

...I'll agree to this: Most pits that people have had since they were pups are nice . . . until they aren't.

That's exactly how I feel. More and more states are banning this breed--with good reason, IMO.

 

[LinasK]

I mean the drivers insurance would cover it. Sure the legality of it is that the owner of the dog would pay for the damage but to me this is not morally right unless this had been a dog running around the neighborhood causing trouble all the time.

And what if a pit kills somebody or a pet on its first time??? Should the owner not be held responsible???

Just recently here a woman protecting her baby from a neighbor's pit in her own garage was severely mauled on her arms. The pits owner scooped the dog up, drove off and hid the dog. While they were in the parking lot of a Denny's restaurant, the same pit ran out of the car and attacked a busboy. The owner of the pit and her boyfriend are now being held on attempted murder charges, as is fitting.

 

[Details]

Totally fitting. If it were the first attack, I wouldn't go for attempted murder, but after that, they know what the dog was, so the busboy was attempted murder.

For the car - the owner may not have known the fence was weak, but it was his dog, his responsibility, and if it damaged the car, the car's owner shouldn't have to pay for it - no matter how emotionally distraught the dogs owner was over the loss of his dog.

 

[Chloekins]

I unfortunately have seen the damage that pit bulls can do more than once. The worse case I saw was a 4 yr old child mauled to death by 3 PB who had gotten loose from the backyard and attacked him while his mother pushed him in his stroller. The mother herself had to have multiple reconstructive surgeries to her legs and arms. The owners swear up and down that their dogs were well trained and loving. Dogs of all breeds are unpredictable in packs. Even the most modest and well trained dog can become vicious when surrounded by other dogs. I think in the interest of the many these dogs should be banned. I understand some peoples anger at the ban however I think that if the tables were turned and you had a loved one suffer because of one you would think differently. No one said laws had to be fair.

 

[dingo]

Totally fitting. If it were the first attack, I wouldn't go for attempted murder, but after that, they know what the dog was, so the busboy was attempted murder.

For the car - the owner may not have known the fence was weak, but it was his dog, his responsibility, and if it damaged the car, the car's owner shouldn't have to pay for it - no matter how emotionally distraught the dogs owner was over the loss of his dog.

Any dog owner worth their salt should know that their yard is secure....Im not the owner of a vicious dog but my backyard is secure for his protection more than anyone elses.

 

[reb]

we may just have to eventually make a rule that NO thugs, gangstas, drug dealers, rednecks, or otherwise trashy people or idiots are allowed to own dogs, PERIOD.. because those are the ones who will try to make another dog 'into the new pit bull' if they are banned everywhere. and then everyone will whine about how their freedoms have been taken away. well, boo f***ing HOO!!!!! maybe ya shoulda thought about that when you were ABUSING your freedoms, and infringing upon everyone ELSE'S freedoms!!!

and sharpeis?? come on,, they have the potential to do damage like any dog (to some degree-- I mean all dogs have teeth- unless they lost their teeth),, but they can't hold a candle to a pit bull. there is something within the pit bull's genetic makeup that makes them go crazy and become killing machines. PLUS they have the physical characteristics to do THE MOST damage. Sure, some of them are sweet. But, those are the exception,, and the fact remains that their physical characteristics (along with the mental instability/unpredictable nature that SO MANY of them have) make them an incredibly dangeorus dog. and yes,, how many stories do we need to hear about how a PB who just killed someone was 'sweet and well-behaved, wouldn't hurt a fly'.. blah blah blah.. yeah, tell it to the judge!

 

[dingo]

I mentioned sharpei because thats the breed that some are using here now as guard dogs..remember that we here have run out of Pittbulls and from my obs and people I speak to Sharpei is now sadly becoming the new killer breed.....no Sharpei has killed or maimed anyone so far and I hope it stays that way.
On a lighter note.....quick lock up your carrots....I really dont think that purebreed labs will make it to the dangerous dog list.

 

[imthemom]

And what if a pit kills somebody or a pet on its first time??? Should the owner not be held responsible???

Just recently here a woman protecting her baby from a neighbor's pit in her own garage was severely mauled on her arms. The pits owner scooped the dog up, drove off and hid the dog. While they were in the parking lot of a Denny's restaurant, the same pit ran out of the car and attacked a busboy. The owner of the pit and her boyfriend are now being held on attempted murder charges, as is fitting.

This dog wasn't even a pit. He was a beagle mix. I was just telling a story, I am not talking about dogs killing people. My pastors dog got hit by a car because he got out of the fence and the man called the police and tried to make them give him a ticket and was yelling at him while is dog is dying telling him he has to pay for his car. Read previous posts please.

 

[feddup]

And I have facts to back up my feelings and I am sure you have yours.( No tone intended) I was reponding to HER telling us we were wrong. I have worked with many pits who have been deemed bad pets and really with proper traing and LOVE they come out of it just fine. I just get angered by people who dont read the facts that most of these dogs that have attacked are not even full pitts, and Yes lab/pit mixes have done the same. I have said this so many times It might be my new headline...lol but When you buy An inbreed pit from a backyard breeder you will get what you pay for. I just want to see proof that any pits from GOOD breeders have done this. Believe me I have looked many times and can not find one.

ETA also GS, huskies, akita, etc have killed people, not as many as the inbred pits but it does happen

Could you puh leeze give us links where German Shepherds have killed people?

 

[JBean]

Could you puh leeze give us links where German Shepherds have killed people?

Seven-year-old killed by German Shepherd in North Moravia

Last Friday a seven-year-old boy was killed by a German Shepherd dog in the town of Rumburk, north Moravia. When the boy's body was found police first suspected that he had been killed by a brutal sadist, before realising that the killer was in fact a German Shepherd owned by a neighbour of the boy's. The dog's owner has been charged with endangering health and could face up to 8 years in prison. Meanwhile police are deciding what to do with the dog itself. Ian Willoughby spoke to Josef Holejsovksy of the state veterinary office and began by asking him if it was time to start thinking of German Shepherds as a dangerous breed of dog.

http://www.radio.cz/en/article/25036

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Dogs of all breeds are unpredictable in packs. Even the most modest and well trained dog can become vicious when surrounded by other dogs. I think in the interest of the many these dogs should be banned. I understand some peoples anger at the ban however I think that if the tables were turned and you had a loved one suffer because of one you would think differently. No one said laws had to be fair.

I feel the same way and have said so here many times (quite an unpopular stance)! :clap: I am glad communities are realizing the dangers these animals/owners present and are finally doing something about it.

A person should not have to worry about being mauled to death when going to their car or their mailbox because of irresponsible owners with potentially deadly dogs. Children should not be subjected to these animals in the home with parents who fail to see the avoidable risks either.

 

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Jelly!! There are more if you like. PBs are not the only dogs that kill. I have never once said that PBs are not the ones who kill often though. But I know about the dangers of inbreeding and abuse they take as well. I see it every single day I look out my window.

 

[Kymistry35]

GS death
Mastiff death
Dingo crossbreed death
Rottie death
Chow death
Husky death
PresaCanario death
Mutt death
Greyhound severe injury
Rottie-Shep mix death
GreatDane death
StaffordshireTerrier death


Labrador shot and killed his owner...ok, ok, this is not exactly death by dog, but a very strange story.

 

[dingo]

Wow,how unlucky was that hunter.