GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[browneyes]

Experts blow the lid on the mystery of Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger may have finally admitted to killing four University of Idaho students - but for those who want to know why he did it, the mystery is far from solved.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lest we forget…he may not be facing the death penalty, but this THING will be scrubbed from everywhere on Earth except his prison cell and that environment.

I have to count this as a win. Bird in the hand and all that.

In my opinion.
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I was just getting ready for bed. I won’t be sleeping. He’s just so scary.

 

[LAborn]

Early in the hearing yesterday, Judge Hippler went over the roles & responsibilities. (Going from memory here as I haven't rewatched it after viewing it real-time.)

Judge Hippler said that the Prosecutor has sole option to offer a plea deal (regardless of whether the prosecution offers it freely or if the defense asks prosecution for a deal & then the prosecution agrees to a deal). As a judge, he does have some say over it, but not all. As long as he can determine that both sides agree to the plea & that the defendant is capable of understanding & agreeing to the plea, he doesn't really have say other than being able to adjust the sentence (or maybe terms somewhat). I don't think he can just flat out reject it at that point or override the fact that a plea deal exists.

The plea that was agreed to by both sides was the maximum sentence that Idaho law allows for each count that BK plead guilty to (10 years + life + life + life + life) to be served consecutively. So, both sides agreed to the maximum possible punishment (other than death which would be reserved for a jury to find). Judge Hippler would have discretion to lessen the sentence (such as reducing the time/having sentences run concurrently instead of consecutively) if he deemed it proper but I doubt he would do that due to the heinousness of the crime & the fact that both sides agreed to the maximum sentence & (as far as we know), BK has not shown remorse.

I expect the sentencing in a few weeks will exactly reflect the existing terms of the plea agreement for the maximum punishment given per charge to run consecutively.

Thanks for this! By pleading guilty the DA was required to forego a jury trial, is that right? I'm sorry this is may be a remedial question. I'm still bothered by Kaylee's father implying the DAs office did something wrong. I mean, they can't reject BK plea of guilty. That would make no sense.

 

[Warwick7]

In this interview on News Nation, at around the 19:00 minute mark, SG says that he doesn't think that he, or members of his family, will make a victim's impact statement. He says it would be a waste of time. He may change his mind, of course, over the next few weeks, but given his current mental state I don't see him being able to do it. Perhaps another member of Kaylee's family will do so.

That makes no sense to me. He has been fighting for his daughter tooth and nail. She deserves his impact statement!!

 

[Arkay]

Thanks for this! By pleading guilty the DA was required to forego a jury trial, is that right?

Yes, you are right.

There is no longer a need for a trial to determine if he is guilty.

He himself admitted he was in fact guilty. He admitted it point by point, charge by charge, for each victim by name, plus the burglary.

His confession makes a trial moot.

 

[Sundog]

Thanks for this! By pleading guilty the DA was required to forego a jury trial, is that right? I'm sorry this is may be a remedial question. I'm still bothered by Kaylee's father implying the DAs office did something wrong. I mean, they can't reject BK plea of guilty. That would make no sense.

BK's defense lawyer apparently approached the DA to negotiate taking the death penalty off the table if Kohberger would plead guilty. And also sign away his right to appeal (although we don't know at which stage this was added to the negotiations and whether it first came from the defense as an offering or from the prosecution as a requirement to take the death penalty off the table). So BK's offer to plead guilty was conditional on the removal of the death penalty as a sentence. If the DA was going to continue the case as a death penalty case, then BK would have likely withdrawn his offer to plead guilty. It was a negotiated plea change with both sides giving something up and gaining something.

Edited to add: Steve Goncalves, Kaylee's father, is angry that the DA took the death penalty off the table in the plea deal with the defense. He believed, it seems, that a jury would find BK guilty and that the jury would unanimously agree on a death penalty sentence. It appears that the DA didn't want to take any chances and the plea deal was made.

 

[LadyL]

Experts blow the lid on the mystery of Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger may have finally admitted to killing four University of Idaho students - but for those who want to know why he did it, the mystery is far from solved.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lest we forget…he may not be facing the death penalty, but this THING will be scrubbed from everywhere on Earth except his prison cell and that environment.

I have to count this as a win. Bird in the hand and all that.

In my opinion.
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death. the picture on the right. he looks like death.

 

[Arkay]

death. the picture on the right. he looks like death.

I agree. The Grim Reaper, personified.

Tragically, four young people paid the price.

I’m relieved he’ll be locked up forever and I hope he fades from the news.

JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Daily mail, of course, says BK would have got away with the murders if he had not left the DNA knife sheath.

How Bryan Kohberger almost got away with the perfect crime

Bryan Kohberger carried out the nearly 'perfect murder' when he broke into an off-campus house a stabbed four University of Idaho students to death.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't believe that. LEO had a lot of other information, the vehicle, the ID, I think he would have been caught. If nothing else, I wouldn't have been surprised if his instructors at Pullman, wouldn't have put a bead on him with LEO.

 

[LAborn]

Daily mail, of course, says BK would have got away with the murders if he had not left the DNA knife sheath.

How Bryan Kohberger almost got away with the perfect crime

Bryan Kohberger carried out the nearly 'perfect murder' when he broke into an off-campus house a stabbed four University of Idaho students to death.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't believe that. LEO had a lot of other information, the vehicle, the ID, I think he would have been caught. If nothing else, I wouldn't have been surprised if his instructors at Pullman, wouldn't have put a bead on him with LEO.

What ID did LE have? I hadn't heard that. It would have been difficult to convict him without the DNA though.

 

[mickey2942]

Wow, this is a scary creepy photo of BK with his Dad, during the LEO pull over.

Cold-blooded steps Bryan Kohberger took to cover up Idaho slaughter

Prosecutors have for the first time laid out in detail Kohberger's meticulous planning to try and make sure he wasn't connected to the slayings of the four college students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Thanks for this! By pleading guilty the DA was required to forego a jury trial, is that right? I'm sorry this is may be a remedial question. I'm still bothered by Kaylee's father implying the DAs office did something wrong. I mean, they can't reject BK plea of guilty. That would make no sense.

IANAL, but I gather from reporting that this is what happened:

The defense requested a plea offer from the prosecution. After consulting with the families (basically just telling them what they planned to do), the prosecution created a plea offer, and then the defense accepted it. (I imagine this process involved quite a bit of negotiation between the two sides to seal the deal.)

Next, AT and BT informed Judge Hippler on Monday afternoon about the plea offer so he could schedule the hearing ASAP. (I suppose they also told the families that BK agreed to the plea offer.)

Judge Hippler’s role during Wednesday’s hearing was to make sure the plea offer (or plea agreement) was sound—that BK understood exactly what he was pleading guilty to and the ramifications of pleading guilty, and that BK wasn’t being compelled to accept the plea offer.

During the sentencing hearing on July 23/24, Judge Hippler will hear victim impact statements and determine whether or not to impose the maximum sentence included in the signed Plea Agreement (which I just now noticed was signed on Monday, June 30, the same day Hippler was informed about it, and two days before he approved it).

IMO

 

[snooptroop88]

With all respect, SG encouraged crazies from every corner of the internet to bombard and harass a sitting judge and attempt to interfere in judicial proceedings. Imo the judge was not wrong to bring it up and wasn't in any way victim shaming. SG is lucky he hasn't had the cops at his door at this point. I understand that he's in agony and my heart breaks for him and the other families but that doesn't mean he has a pass to do what he wants IMO

100% agreed. The Probergers should have exclusive rights to any Crazytowns in this case, and I'm not being sarcastic. Agreed it's not victim shaming. This judge, too, we should all be incredibly grateful for him. The poor man looked white as a ghost during that hearing, and as I looked at BK's face, I really could see why. I found BK's facial expressions that day-- beyond words. I can't even describe them. I'm sorry, there were certain facial expressions that I found so freakish, it was like Bundyesque.

Personally, I am still glad they did this deal. If SG's upset now, imagine how he'd feel with a mistrial. And even with slam-dunks, anything can happen. I think it was a mistake for SG to establish such a cordial relationship with the media. Even were he skilled in media relations (I don't know if he is or not), him getting on what's essentially a megaphone to millions upon millions of people when he has to be racked by tremendous grief-- it seems ill advised, but jmo.

I genuinely do feel like BK's going to be just fine in prison, jmo. And like others on here, I'm wondering, too, if he left the knife sheath on the bed on purpose. I still think that's a no, and he'd probably too much enjoy the idea of us thinking it's a yes.

So glad for such a water tight plea deal. To watch and hear BK take full responsibility and be accountable was incredibly relieving. To me it felt like the justice system performing as it should. I'm heartened by Maddie's mother's and step family's statement.

I wish the families and loved ones of dear Maddie , Kaylee, Xana and Ethan some measure of acceptance and peace as time moves on. RIP beautiful young innocents.

Read you all again at sentencing and beyond when discovery starts coming out.

Btw [B]@snooptroop88! I haven't forgotten a short exchange we had earlier in the year on the subject of a plea. I've prepared a marinade for my hat, which I will attempt to eat in due course![/B]

@jepop , please don't eat a hat over anything even remotely associated with BK. I am washing my hands of that situation if you insist. But just remember, in principle, you're eating a hat over what? Over BK. Like I said earlier, leave exclusive rights to Crazytowns with the Probergers, it was thriving over there till the plea deal. And remember: depending on what that hat's made of, it's actuallly probably in keeping with BK's vegan diet.

 

[QB2022]

The average time it takes for a state to execute someone on death row in the United States has been steadily increasing and is currently around 19.4yrs This represents the average time between the imposition of the death sentence and execution, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.

That's 2045!!! Taking into consideration all the appeals and other stuff the state, the lawyers, the courts have to do just to get this guy to the execution chamber, do the families really want to be hauled into all that year after year after year? I think when the emotions calm down a little bit, hopefully the families opposed to this plea arrangement may see this in a more favorable way.

I also think we need to think of DM and BF here, both traumatised. How would they ever be expected to go forwards to their lives with 20 years of this hanging over them? 20 years of every hearing restarting awful accusations towards them? I know the families lost children, but there were 6 victims in that house, not 4. So maybe the majority consensus actually was to take the plea?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Juxtapose that against the Wichita Kansas Da's handling of Dennis Rader. They weren't going to let him get away unscathed. They made sure he had to expose himself, and all his demented fantasies, for all the world to see. BK should've been put in the same position and made to squirm. They let him off very easy.

RSFF

I've always felt that Rader absolutely loved sharing his demented fantasies with the world, getting off on imagining people's shock.

Also, psycho- and sociopaths lie with ease. There would be no guarantee that anything BK said was truthful.

In fact, I wouldn't put it past him to fabricate something intended to cause the families as much pain as he possibly could.

 

[Dotta]

death. the picture on the right. he looks like death.

Only scythe is missing

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940856725772324876

 

[jcamh]

What is the name of the author who was writing a book and releasing parts of it which was so well written and insightful? I followed it for a few chapters, but then stopped visiting Websleuths until the past couple of weeks. I would love to read the whole book.

 

[jcamh]

I have always believed he used the "up and under" technique taught in the Marines for the Ka-Bar knife. Not the "up and over" we see in Psycho (the movie).

This minimizes blood spatter, is highly lethal, uses less strength (so women can do it too), runs into fewer bones and most of the bleeding is inside the body, at least initially.

Surely his dominant/stabbing hand would have been bloody (although he was likely wearing gloves and a utility suit with elasticized, cuffed sleeves - so the blood would be disposed of along with those items, at one of the bodies of water he admits to have visited that early morning and possibly, later in the day).

This would be consistent with the blood then pooling around and under victim E. and, if those pictures are accurate, dripping through the wall and onto the foundation - there would have been a lot of blood, but not arterial blood such as one would see with throat wounds or other sorts of wounds.

IMO.

(I can't believe I know this information or am typing it). I remember a long while back someone posted how to stab to efficiently kill someone. The wild stabbing motion is not the most effective because you may not hit major arteries. That's how people have been stabbed many times end up surviving. The most efficient stabbing is to stab and drag the knife horizontally to make sure you sever the artery in specific areas of the body - where the thigh meets the torso, behind the knees, across both sides of the neck, across the chest and below the ribs, across the upper arms, etc.

 

[jcamh]

I agree that his intent was to commit the perfect crime.
My thought is he didn’t realize he had lost the sheath until after he left after killing Ethan. Everything had gone sideways and he needed to get out fast.
Just think. The prosecution had the time BK was in the house at about 15 minutes. Let’s round it up to 16 minutes so I can do the math. That leaves 4 minutes for each victim, though if course he could have spent more or less with some. Still, that is a lot of victims in a very short period of time. I doubt he had time to even think about sheath, much less look for it.
Also, I would say, the sheath was critical only because it had a dab of his DNA on it. I’m sure he was trying to convince himself that the sheath could not be traced back to him.
Also, I have a tendency to go on and on and on and on too sometimes. You’re among friends.

I think it only took a few minutes upstairs because KG fought him. Then downstairs, a few minutes because XK fought him. But MM and EC could have been instantly killed with a stab to an artery. In the hearing, they said they know he sat down in a chair in XK's room and at some point, he had to take off the coveralls or the shoe covers or their would have been a blood trail out of the house. So, that time has to be figured into the 15-20 minutes that he was in the house.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The Probergers should have exclusive rights to any Crazytowns in this case, and I'm not being sarcastic.


@jepop , please don't eat a hat over anything even remotely associated with BK. I am washing my hands of that situation if you insist. But just remember, in principle, you're eating a hat over what? Over BK. Like I said earlier, leave exclusive rights to Crazytowns with the Probergers, it was thriving over there till the plea deal. And remember: depending on what that hat's made of, it's actuallly probably in keeping with BK's vegan diet.

I LOVE your post, @snooptroop88!

Alas, the Probergers may not be thriving right now, but they are still living in Crazytown.

Here is a small sample of the Live Chat comments made during the live stream of Wednesday’s plea hearing hosted by my (least) favorite conspiracy theorist YouTuber (I blackened most commenter’s avatars and all names for privacy and highlighted the most egregious comments in pink and the pockets of sanity in green; be sure to check out the avatar of the comment marked with the red arrow—he’s familiar!):





And here is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE:



Because we all know Chris Watts is innocent.

IMOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

What is the name of the author who was writing a book and releasing parts of it which was so well written and insightful? I followed it for a few chapters, but then stopped visiting Websleuths until the past couple of weeks. I would love to read the whole book.

That would be Howard Blum, who contributed to the magazine Airmail and wrote the novel (inspired by real events), When the Night Comes Falling.

(Just kidding, but Blum’s speculations, especially in the later pieces, are not well-received by quite a few posters here. I personally appreciate his writing style but always fact-check, when possible, his assertions.)