GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[Rolypolyoly]

how could he not know that there were multiple people in the house if he had been "casing" the place beforehand, as is speculated?

He knew there would be people there, but im guessing he figured at 4am they would all be asleep in their own beds. If Kaylee hadn't been in Maddie's room he likely would have killed Maddie without any noise and been on his way, I think it was just very bad luck that Xana was up and about, even if she had been awake but in her room, I believe she and Ethan would have survived.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah, some of the max security prisons look pretty desolate.

The state prisons in the state I live in are horrible, so there’s no saying a state prisoner is living in the lap of luxury.

Right, and while all inmates need to be treated humanely as possible, those who are serving time as convicted murderers especially don't deserve any type of luxuries IMO. They committed the ultimate act of violence, the taking of another human being's life.

Their victims are dead, being cruelly ripped away forever from loving families and friends who suffer endlessly. Just look at the ripple effect of what BK did. He left many family members deeply broken, a community in mourning, survivors with severe emotional trauma, and local LE and Prosecutors in an overwhelming emotional case. Bill Thompson broke down in the hearing the other day just reciting their names towards the end of his evidentiary summary.

I'd like BK to be sent to the toughest prison around. He brutally stole 4 innocent, capable lives and needs to pay the consequences of those actions, although nothing will ever bring those bright, beautiful young people back to our world.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I can’t reconcile anything resembling moral principles to BK, am unwilling to give him any.
I believe the two girls were found in MM’s room together.
Was the dog in KG’s room, was it in a crate? To find the dog may have taken too much time?

If MM was the targeted victim- I think he BK intended sexual assault and murder her- like Bundy- but to his surprise he encountered KG in her room.
What did BK plan to do after MM? I’m not sure. Maybe he intended to simply leave and then watch the reaction of all?
If he encountered the other three victims unexpectedly- he is one lucky sick killer. None of the three were able to adequately defend themselves. Maybe it was the time of night and odds that people are asleep, distance between rooms, debilitating nature of the weapon, his size- or all of these things together. No one used pepper spray or a bat- they didn’t have a chance.
I had a rod in my sliding door when I lived in an apartment in college, pepper spray in my car, a baseball bat in the den, and a 38 Special in the bedside drawer. Being from the country I was not comfortable with the noises and constant activity and sirens of a college town.
Maybe it was all the regular noises of the city and neighborhood that made noise seem normal?

IMO

I think he was trying to commit the perfect crime leaving zero evidence. So JMO but don't think he intended to SA her in the most obvious ways... maybe take photos if he had his phone? But nothing that would leave any evidence or trace of him. I don't see how that could include some form of interfering with the victim?

JMO but I suppose he was going to leave and then be very active in the discussions of who did this and how could it have happened etc, inserting himself.

Did we ever find out the truth of Pappa Rodger and if that was him etc?

I think it was said the dog was not crated, although I suppose the dog could have been in a room with the door closed, or he closed the door on the dog.

JMO MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I was talking about SG and his reaction to the plea deal. It’s so interesting (in a real way, no sarcasm) that you applied this to BK. His feelings I don’t care about.

Ah sorry I misunderstood!

 

[Megnut]

I can't find it now but someone asked upthread why XK would go upstairs (I'm still not sure she did, I'm not sure the DM heard a roommate on the stairs at all, and thst actually it was BK whom she heard) but if it was XK, why did she go up? It's that scene in every horror movie where you shoot at the screen, "get out! Get out! He's in the house!" She went to check. Went to see what was going on. Never expecting the worst.

It does seem factual she discovered the open slider.

After DM yelled up to her roommates, if indeed she did.

Maybe it was XK who said "there's someone there", maybe she was answering DM.

A possible order:

BK parks, third loop.
DDD parks.
BK drives away, loops again.
DDD delivers DD to XK.
BK parks again.
XK eats her DD.
BK enters. Goes immediately upstairs.
DM hears the commotion. XK does not, because of tiktok. BK brutally murders MM and KG.
XK puts her DD in the kitchen, sees the slider is open.
DM shouts to the roommates to be quiet which XK does hear.
XK says "there's someone there" to DM as she goes to investigate. (Maybe DM thought KG said it because she believed only KG was awake, maybe it's because of where the vice she heard came from, maybe she misremembered, or maybe it was XP but fear did something to her voice inflection which sounded a lot like KG's natural inflection.
BK encounters XK and follows her into her room where there's a struggle.
DM opens her door a second time. Listens. Hears nothing.
BK tells XK that it's okay, he's there to help her in an attempt to subdue her, she sustains defensive wounds, cries. He brutally murders XK and EC.
DM opens her door a third time.
BK is moving past her door toward the exit.
She locks her door.
As DM starts calling and messaging roommates, BK returns to his car and drives at a high rate of speed.

And for it, he will be sentenced to die in prison, four life sentences, no parole, no appeal.

He walks among us no more.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think he knew the size and number of rooms in the house, and the possibility that multiple people would be home. He thought the rooms were far enough apart and they would be asleep.
It is a big house- the floor plan an be seen online- and the windows do not have curtains. He could easily see that many people lived in that house.
In thinking through it- Why leave a dog alive that can bark?

D saw him in the hallway and described him carrying a ‘container’. She did not see him holding a knife out in front of himself- what was he holding?

IMO

I thought it was the knife wrapped in something (a towel or piece of clothing) in order for him to carry it without cutting himself since he didn't have the sheath.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I thought it was the knife wrapped in something (a towel or piece of clothing) in order for him to carry it without cutting himself since he didn't have the sheath.

JMO

I did too. But BT said a container. I can't imagine what kind of container. Something he brought with him, it almost has to be. A knife containment container? Did he think he was clever, brought something in which to deposit the knife, better than a sheath, intended specifically to contain blood and prevent blood transfer between the house and his car?

Strange.

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

In the end, it was likely considerably less then even that.

Parking at 4:08/:09, entering at 4:11, exiting prior to 4:19...

Could have been 8 minutes ...

JMO

Wow, if this timing is correct that is exceptionally fast work frenzied even! Nuts
I know he had a history of drug use- was he on something?

How does this quick movement reconcile with enjoying the process, the game, the moment?
Did he get his jollies from the planning process?
Was he startled, or unexpectedly fueled or afraid?

If this is his first human to human physical attack- I’m amazed that he did not suffer injury, wake people up and get attacked himself. You don’t just buy a knife on Amazon and then go out there and use it correctly. Book reading and physical skills are not the same thing.
How/ where did he physically practice?

IMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Dateline mentioned at the beginning of the episode that the photos were “resized.” I wonder if that stretched them out. That set of photos make him look like one of those statues on Easter Island, but in a creepy way.

I see the resemblance, but BK is definitely more creepy.

Note that the clock in the background is not distorted, so the apparent elongation of BK's face could be due a combination of his head tilting down and the camera angle.

When I do elongate BK's photo, the clock is elongated, too:



(Photograph of Easter Island statue by Alamy in Easter Island statues: mystery behind their location revealed)

 

[AngTxGal]

I did too. But BT said a container. I can't imagine what kind of container. Something he brought with him, it almost has to be. A knife containment container? Did he think he was clever, brought something in which to deposit the knife, better than a sheath, intended specifically to contain blood and prevent blood transfer between the house and his car?

Strange.

JMO

Yes, I think it was DT that saw him and she said container.
I read somewhere that the sheath was under MM or KG, he may have looked and couldn’t find it.
If he improvised- did he pick up something from the room- a pillow and pillow case or stuffed animal from KG’s or XK’s room?

He would have needed a place to hold all of these things that could potentially be splattered with blood- and he took these with him- and they were not on him to deposit blood outside the house or in the car.
Baklava
Coveralls
Shoe covers
Gloves
Knife
Anything else he took in that he took back out?

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I did too. But BT said a container. I can't imagine what kind of container. Something he brought with him, it almost has to be. A knife containment container? Did he think he was clever, brought something in which to deposit the knife, better than a sheath, intended specifically to contain blood and prevent blood transfer between the house and his car?

Strange.

JMO

I missed that part. Did he say DM said container or they (Prosecution) believed it was a container?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I did too. But BT said a container. I can't imagine what kind of container. Something he brought with him, it almost has to be. A knife containment container? Did he think he was clever, brought something in which to deposit the knife, better than a sheath, intended specifically to contain blood and prevent blood transfer between the house and his car?

Strange.

JMO

Maybe he used / took something from the room of XK, such as a small waste paper litter bin or a small container, a laundry or shower bag or such? I don't suppose anyone would know every single item that was in her room and therefore nobody would know something is missing. JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Maybe he used / took something from the room of XK, such as a small waste paper litter bin or a small container, a laundry or shower bag or such? I don't suppose anyone would know every single item that was in her room and therefore nobody would know something is missing. JMO

Yes that is my thought too- and he would have to be sure it was not splattered with blood.
Something to contain all the items he brought in with him. He could have brought a fanny pack or small duffle bag, somethign that allowed his hands to be free- a cross body bag?

He could have improvised with the knife- have gotten some container from the bathroom, or a towel or something to wrap it in before he put it in his ‘container’.

IMO

 

[Miss Poovy]

Right, and while all inmates need to be treated humanely as possible, those who are serving time as convicted murderers especially don't deserve any type of luxuries IMO. They committed the ultimate act of violence, the taking of another human being's life.

Their victims are dead, being cruelly ripped away forever from loving families and friends who suffer endlessly. Just look at the ripple effect of what BK did. He left many family members deeply broken, a community in mourning, survivors with severe emotional trauma, and local LE and Prosecutors in an overwhelming emotional case. Bill Thompson broke down in the hearing the other day just reciting their names towards the end of his evidentiary summary.

I'd like BK to be sent to the toughest prison around. He brutally stole 4 innocent, capable lives and needs to pay the consequences of those actions, although nothing will ever bring those bright, beautiful young people back to our world.

JMO

My state has some of the worst prisons in the nation, I wasn’t insinuating prisoners should be allowed luxuries.

 

[AcousticViper]

Daily mail, of course, says BK would have got away with the murders if he had not left the DNA knife sheath. <snip> I don't believe that.

Right. Even without the DNA, they had Bryan Kohberger's name on a list of people who purchased a KA-BAR knife and protective sheath within a specified period. They also had his name on a list of people within 10 miles of the crime scene registered to drive a white Hyundai Elantra. It was only a matter of time before someone cross-referenced both lists and paid him a visit.

"Where were you in the early morning hours of November 13, 2022?"

At this critical juncture, Kohberger would have a big decision to make. Does he tell an untruth? Easy, yes, he could simply lie to them. "I was sleeping."

But wait, no! "What if detectives have done their homework and know I was roaming outdoors?"

How would detectives interpret his body language when confronted with this simple question? I suspect, at the very least, he would be a POI without the DNA.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Daily mail, of course, says BK would have got away with the murders if he had not left the DNA knife sheath.

How Bryan Kohberger almost got away with the perfect crime

Bryan Kohberger carried out the nearly 'perfect murder' when he broke into an off-campus house a stabbed four University of Idaho students to death.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't believe that. LEO had a lot of other information, the vehicle, the ID, I think he would have been caught. If nothing else, I wouldn't have been surprised if his instructors at Pullman, wouldn't have put a bead on him with LEO.

I personally think that without the DNA on the sheath, he may very well have got away with it. He may still have been caught eventually, but all the other evidence is pretty circumstantial. The DNA ties it all together.
Just think how many Probergers there are out there, and even some in here, that even when presented with detailed DNA evidence absolutely insist he is innocent, or he has been fitted up somehow, blah, blah, blah, so it's not a stretch to believe that some jurors wouldn't believe the case presented was BARD.

I don't think he committed even close to the perfect crime, but I do think without that huge mistake with the sheath, he may have avoided a guilty verdict.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

If it wasn't for leaving the sheath with his DNA, he could have maybe whipped up a frenzy storm saying he'd been framed for someone else's crime. Also if he'd left his phone at home scrolling on youtube.

Same time, there was the Kabar purchase from amazon, the footprint (whatever happened to that piece of evidence?), his phone coverage, his odd antisocial behaviour, possibly his questionnaire for criminal perpetrators, possibly his actions as 'Pappa Rodger' if that was him.

If prosecution hadn't been certain they'd got the right person, would they have gone further into searching for the knife or going deeper into his online activities and researching him some more etc?

 

[girlhasnoname]

My state has some of the worst prisons in the nation, I wasn’t insinuating prisoners should be allowed luxuries.

That wasn't what I was inferring from your post. I'm sorry if my reply got lost in translation, that happens sometimes when hurriedly reading and replying, not my intention.

 

[Megnut]

I missed that part. Did he say DM said container or they (Prosecution) believed it was a container?

Iirc, BT said it, didn't attribute it to DM (although it's likely from where they got it).

To me, a container is rigid.

Not like a towel, which technically could also be a container, as it would contain any blood...

Maybe they have an idea what it was but didn't want to lock it into the plea agreement.

At trial, DM might have described something he appeared to be holding, like a handheld vacuum, and the jury would be left always to wonder what the heck it was.

The way brains work (and don't work), I find myself wondering, as BK answered 'yes' and 'guilty' to each question -- abs without emotion -- if it was just staid and rehearsed for him or if his brain was simultaneously reviewing the corresponding events in his mind's eye. Does he even have that capacity? To be present to the questioning while his minds recalls?

The ease and poise with which he answered the judge will forever chill me. Detached from human warmth.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

I’m no longer surprised at the extent people can find a group and willingly pick up the cup, drink, and swallow all the Kool Aide served to them.
Western society is losing their ability to critically think. As a person of science and logic- I find that fact frightening

I would add that the Kool Aide reference is my go to phrase, and my son has just informed me that he hasn’t a clue where it originated. A group of over 900 people were enticed to drink, and give their over 200 children poisonous Kool Aide by cult leader Jim Jones- in Jonestown, Guyana, 1978.

IMO

O/T, but as a big trivia buff, I have to point out that Kool-Aid got a bad rap from that whole Jim Jones tragedy, and the associated "drinking the Kool-Aid", meaning unquestioning obedience or loyalty to someone or something. The people were actually given Flavor Aid, a less expensive powdered drink mix, and not Kool-Aid.

Drinking the Kool-Aid - Wikipedia

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