GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[LAborn]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> On Banfield's show he implied that BK would be taken care of in prison by Idahoans, essentially eliciting them to do it! And spoke as if he and BK were in a competition to win, and BK won this time. I thought that was so distasteful and strange. He's very odd. It's the last half of this broadcast (around 20min forward).

 

[otto]

Thanks. Fell down a bit of a rabbit hole with articles / videos discussing genealogy databases that are used by LE / IGG where they shouldn't be used based on TOS and how LE / IGG gets around the issue.

A lot of people are concerned about how their DNA will be used by third parties. They only wanted to understand their ancestry when they submitted their DNA samples.

I'm curious about which of Kohberger's family members uploaded their DNA to genealogical analysis sites. Was it his father, or a 3rd cousin? If Kohberger knew about it, he didn't put two and two together to realize how easy it would be to identify him via DNA.

"Members of the public voluntarily send their biological sample to a company for DNA analysis, in the hope of gaining information about their family ancestry. Then, it is their decision whether to upload their individual DNA data to one of the free genetic genealogy databases, knowing that these databases are accessible to anyone.

Investigators are simply making use of this same public tool. There is no privacy violation because people choose of their own accord to make the genetic information available that can lead police to identify a potential person. Also, it isn’t solely the genetic information that makes this identification possible. The genetic record is used in combination with other genealogical work to help narrow down the number of people of interest and potentially identify a suspect.

In a nod to concerns about privacy and ethics, though, law enforcement officials are required to jump an additional hurdle. They must use a portal of the database (in this case, GEDmatch PRO) that requires a paid membership available only to certified police and forensic teams.

Through this membership, professional users have access to all of the system’s data to aid in the identification of human remains. However, if the goal is to identify the perpetrator of a crime, professional users can only search data for which the files’ owners have “opted in” to permit use by law enforcement."

Police Are Using Your Publicly Available DNA to Solve Crimes. That’s a Good Thing. | U of T Magazine - U of T Magazine

But it’s also crucial for people to give informed consent to have their genetic information used this way Read More

magazine.utoronto.ca

 

[Megnut]

BK came prepared to commit a crime -- SA (as he might define it), murder or murders, abduction, some combination of the above.

He took precautions to prevent bringing trace in and took precautions to print trace coming out. This was different than the 23 other times because this time his phone was off.

Burglary is the right starter charge because he broke in with the intent to do violence.

It was a house rented by women.

Whom he attacked at night in or near their beds. That has sexual overtones, regardless of what else he did or didn't do, making it a sexually motivated crime. Misogyny to the hilt. Literally.

A woman's worst nightmare.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

A lot of people are concerned about how their DNA will be used by third parties. They only wanted to understand their ancestry when they submitted their DNA samples.

I'm curious about which of Kohberger's family members uploaded their DNA to genealogical analysis sites. Was it his father, or a 3rd cousin? If Kohberger knew about it, he didn't put two and two together to realize how easy it would be to identify him via DNA.

"Members of the public voluntarily send their biological sample to a company for DNA analysis, in the hope of gaining information about their family ancestry. Then, it is their decision whether to upload their individual DNA data to one of the free genetic genealogy databases, knowing that these databases are accessible to anyone.

Investigators are simply making use of this same public tool. There is no privacy violation because people choose of their own accord to make the genetic information available that can lead police to identify a potential person. Also, it isn’t solely the genetic information that makes this identification possible. The genetic record is used in combination with other genealogical work to help narrow down the number of people of interest and potentially identify a suspect.

In a nod to concerns about privacy and ethics, though, law enforcement officials are required to jump an additional hurdle. They must use a portal of the database (in this case, GEDmatch PRO) that requires a paid membership available only to certified police and forensic teams.

Through this membership, professional users have access to all of the system’s data to aid in the identification of human remains. However, if the goal is to identify the perpetrator of a crime, professional users can only search data for which the files’ owners have “opted in” to permit use by law enforcement."

Police Are Using Your Publicly Available DNA to Solve Crimes. That’s a Good Thing. | U of T Magazine - U of T Magazine

But it’s also crucial for people to give informed consent to have their genetic information used this way Read More

magazine.utoronto.ca

I thought it was MyHeritage, which is technically not open to law enforcement to search for a criminal match? Maybe I am wrong, but I recall it being a workaround-if they were to find a relative, the only person that would have standing in a case against LE would be the actual individual whose record was accessed. Not BK. Not sure how distant that relative is. All about the tree builders.

 

[Kudzuu]

<modsnip: encourages the sleuthing of victims' family> I'm trying to wrap my head around his [SG] saying BK's sentence is daycare for criminals or something like that. And encouraging people to call. <modsnip: not victim friendly>

I don't agree with his continual criticism of everyone LE, judge, lawyers either.

MOO.

 

[Boxer]

I am surprised he did make that mistake of buying the knife/sheath on Amazon, where there would be a clear record of his purchases. Law enforcement could easily subpoena Amazon for those records. He could have gone to a Sporting Goods store, and bought it with cash.

Also the mistake of driving his own car, the day of and the previous days of stalking the apartment/premises. Nowadays, security cameras are everywhere, especially apartment buildings/duplexes that are rentals. He could have rented a car, which could still eventually have been traced , but it might have confused things for a while. I don't think you can rent a car without the identifier of a driver's license, at minimum.

And then the mistake of leaving his DNA on the knife.
He failed Crime Scene Evidence 101, when he believed thought he could pull off the perfect crime.

Thisv

He thought he cleaned the knife, after all, he is good cleaner as his car and apartment demonstrated.
But the rest of the crime is oddly out of date.
Like an apprentice working to the established manual while the tradespeople have moved on to a new technique.

 

[wendy44]

We found out during the January hearings that BK was not on their radar before getting the name from IGG. The WSU officer who ran plates had not passed his name on to Moscow law enforcement. I remember we were pretty surprised by that and this is one of the points the defense was trying to make in arguing the Franks--the PCA implies that they had the info from WSU before the IGG results but that's not the case.

Q. And when was the first time you heard Bryan Kohberger's name?

A. The first time I heard Bryan Kohberger's name was December 19, 2022.

Q. And what was that a result of?

A. That was a result of investigative genetic genealogy that was being undertaken by the FBI. We had a phone call that evening, and we were told Bryan Kohberger's name.

Q. And before that, Mr. Kohberger was not on your radar?

A. No, ma'am.

...

Q. All the things in the warrant that became particular to Bryan Kohberger were not on your radar before you learned his identity through IGG; is that correct?

A. Yes, ma'am.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Brett Payne talked in open court about running his name and finding the vehicle information and his photo from the license for the first time after receiving the name from the FBI. I would hope that eventually the info from WSU would have been relayed to the investigation, but apparently it had not been before the IGG results.
JMO

 

[Megnut]

IMO BK killed because he wanted to.

His Master's and PhD program -- what he did to fill time while preparing to kill.

His greatest success, how he presented online during a pandemic. Something he could not sustain in person.

Why that morning? His presence at WSU was detonating, motive/timing enough but also, it was about to snow -- commit your crime after it snows, you leave tracks -- foot and tire. Commit your crime before it snows, the snow will erase that evidence for you.

Cunning equals cognition, as I see it.

JMO

 

[getthefax]

Ahhh man
I hate that he feels like he has failed his daughter and hate that he's visibly in absolute agony, but the judge isn't his enemy. The prosecutors are not his enemy. Idaho law enforcement are not his enemy and the Kohberger family are not his enemy. He's in so much pain that he's lashing out blindly and I get why he's upset, he had his mind set on a death verdict which is the most severe sentence given, I get it. We have to remember though that this man has been full of chew for years - slamming on everyone, leaking to media, even the firing squad t-shirts in court I just wish he would try to remember though that there are 3 other sets of families going through the exact same pain, no more no less, and the fact that however sly he finds this plea deal, it's definitively certain now that the monster will never have the ability to harm someone else's daughter.

I do hope that he in future channels all of his emotion into something productive as opposed to blind hatred which will land him in hot water eventually. A charity or legislation for women's safety in college or something in Kaylee's name.

Brutal

Well said. You put into words what I could absolutely not. I also think avoiding a trial and getting that life sentence on lock, and a plain admission that he did it where before he claimed he didn’t, is the best case scenario. I absolutely hated the idea of all of those families going through 1 or more brutal trials.
JMhO

 

[bestill]

I am surprised he did make that mistake of buying the knife/sheath on Amazon, where there would be a clear record of his purchases. Law enforcement could easily subpoena Amazon for those records. He could have gone to a Sporting Goods store, and bought it with cash.

Also the mistake of driving his own car, the day of and the previous days of stalking the apartment/premises. Nowadays, security cameras are everywhere, especially apartment buildings/duplexes that are rentals. He could have rented a car, which could still eventually have been traced , but it might have confused things for a while. I don't think you can rent a car without the identifier of a driver's license, at minimum.

And then the mistake of leaving his DNA on the knife.
He failed Crime Scene Evidence 101, when he believed thought he could pull off the perfect crime.

Thisv

Imagining how freaked out he was when it was reported what type car they were looking for. He even changed his license tags in an effort to cover up the look of his car days after the murder. He had to know it was just a matter of time for him, especially as more and more was revealed...

 

[Sundog]

On Banfield's show he implied that BK would be taken care of in prison by Idahoans, essentially eliciting them to do it!

I can't help but wonder if going on a national social media interview and encouraging prisoners to "take care" of BK is a crime under state and/or federal law.

And for NewsNation to air this is also deplorable, it amounts to incitement - provoking unlawful behavior, i.e. provoking someone to commit murder.

 

[Megnut]

I think BK took additional counter measures that may have been missed.

Doctoring his license plate perhaps.
Leaving the crime scene into Washington, then doubling back to Idaho, before returning home. What it gained him, I don't know. Maybe a decoy stop and drop.

Manipulating his phone. Failed. Turning it back on when/where he did defies any logic I can access.

Left by way of country roads.

The sheath, if intentional, was intended to point blame elsewhere, believing he'd scrubbed the sheath clean of his DNA.

I think he had full confidence in the generic invisibility of his white sedan. Thankfully the blindness there was his.

Until LE could attach his DNA to a name, that Elantra was LE's best clue -- find the car, you find the criminal. And look, his appearance doesn't not fit the eye witness account and his DNA is an astronomic statistical match.

And now he has plead guilty to all charges and will be sentenced in a couple weeks.

Meanwhile, Scott Peterson is still exhausting appeals, decades later... an open wound for those who loved Laci. This case, in contrast, is solved, guilt determined beyond now all doubt. The losses remain but no further trauma by trial, no agony over deliberations, no lifetime of painful appeals.

I look forward to forgetting his name.

JMO

 

[LAborn]

I can't help but wonder if going on a national social media interview and encouraging prisoners to "take care" of BK is a crime under state and/or federal law.

And for NewsNation to air this is also deplorable, it amounts to incitement - provoking unlawful behavior, i.e. provoking someone to commit murder.

I had the same impression of their interaction with him, basically enabling him. It seems like it would be against the law.

 

[bestill]

I think BK took additional counter measures that may have been missed.

Doctoring his license plate perhaps.
Leaving the crime scene into Washington, then doubling back to Idaho, before returning home. What it gained him, I don't know. Maybe a decoy stop and drop.

Manipulating his phone. Failed. Turning it back on when/where he did defies any logic I can access.

Left by way of country roads.

The sheath, if intentional, was intended to point blame elsewhere, believing he'd scrubbed the sheath clean of his DNA.

I think he had full confidence in the generic invisibility of his white sedan. Thankfully the blindness there was his.

Until LE could attach his DNA to a name, that Elantra was LE's best clue -- find the car, you find the criminal. And look, his appearance doesn't not fit the eye witness account and his DNA is an astronomic statistical match.

And now he has plead guilty to all charges and will be sentenced in a couple weeks.

Meanwhile, Scott Peterson is still exhausting appeals, decades later... an open wound for those who loved Laci. This case, in contrast, is solved, guilt determined beyond now all doubt. The losses remain but no further trauma by trial, no agony over deliberations, no lifetime of painful appeals.

I look forward to forgetting his name.

JMO

Thankfully he was particularly dumb by even taking his phone with him and turning it off and on along with driving back to the scene the next morning!

 

[DizzyB]

I hope that Steve does write a victim impact statement, and I hope it is reviewed by an attorney. He needs to talk to someone who can help him channel his anger into something that is meaningful to him, and honors his daughter and family. I am reminded of Rita Isbell giving her victim impact statement at Jeffrey Dahmer’s sentencing. Steve is a victim and he has the right to express himself, I believe the focus that day should be on the murderer of his child.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941188358014894187

 

[whatzthebuzz]

A lot of people are concerned about how their DNA will be used by third parties. They only wanted to understand their ancestry when they submitted their DNA samples.

I'm curious about which of Kohberger's family members uploaded their DNA to genealogical analysis sites. Was it his father, or a 3rd cousin? If Kohberger knew about it, he didn't put two and two together to realize how easy it would be to identify him via DNA.

Police Are Using Your Publicly Available DNA to Solve Crimes. That’s a Good Thing. | U of T Magazine - U of T Magazine

But it’s also crucial for people to give informed consent to have their genetic information used this way Read More

magazine.utoronto.ca

Bit of an armchair genealogist, here, who has DNA tested at Ancestry. Started with the ethnicity question, has turned into a 12K family tree.

While I've been aware of the opt-in sites, it's never crossed my mind to put my DNA elsewhere.

One of the articles in the rabbit hole I'm currently stuck in, made it sound as though IGG / LE uploaded BK's DNA to My Heritage. That got me reading TOS there and at Ancestry. Doesn't take much though for them to take the next step to continue (hah) their Ancestry research and reach out to potential genetically connected users who've built trees and gain access to their DNA.

I'm sure IGG / LE has been doing what I've just said for ages; it just never crossed my mind before.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

BK came prepared to commit a crime -- SA (as he might define it), murder or murders, abduction, some combination of the above.

He took precautions to prevent bringing trace in and took precautions to print trace coming out. This was different than the 23 other times because this time his phone was off.

Burglary is the right starter charge because he broke in with the intent to do violence.

It was a house rented by women.

Whom he attacked at night in or near their beds. That has sexual overtones, regardless of what else he did or didn't do, making it a sexually motivated crime. Misogyny to the hilt. Literally.

A woman's worst nightmare.

JMO

I agree 100% here. The knife and penetration of the bodies is a rather obvious substitute for a more typical SA.

 

[303gmf]

I had the same impression of their interaction with him, basically enabling him. It seems like it would be against the law.

Banfield, say no more

 

[MassGuy]

Bit of an armchair genealogist, here, who has DNA tested at Ancestry. Started with the ethnicity question, has turned into a 12K family tree.

While I've been aware of the opt-in sites, it's never crossed my mind to put my DNA elsewhere.

One of the articles in the rabbit hole I'm currently stuck in, made it sound as though IGG / LE uploaded BK's DNA to My Heritage. That got me reading TOS there and at Ancestry. Doesn't take much though for them to take the next step to continue (hah) their Ancestry research and reach out to potential genetically connected users who've built trees and gain access to their DNA.

I'm sure IGG / LE has been doing what I've just said for ages; it just never crossed my mind before.

I know that the FBI has used My Heritage in other cases, because I was watching a 48 hours or Dateline recently where they did just that.

I had only been familiar with GedMatch being used up until this case.

Mine is in both because I wanted to see what other names came up other than what my Ancestry showed.